Free Agency 2017 (Players from Other Teams We Should Consider)

[trevorsteadman]

You know what I don't understand.....

People still trade with the Patriots. And fans beg and plead for Garropolo and Butler. I understand every situation is different but DO NOT trade with the Patriots. They will win that trade.

If the team isn't comfortable paying Butler $9 million a year and they know him better than anybody, but willing to sign Gillmore $13 million a year who is an outside guy and more of an unknown how he will perform there that doesn't draw red flags???

Moral of the story. Don't trade with the Patriots. Every team loses that trade. 

[trevorsteadman]

15 hours ago, Martin Maryland said:

After I've seen what Eli did when Tavon was covering Beckham Jr, Yes I push 4 Butler.

After I've seen what Aaron Rodgers did to Cowboys secondary, Yes I push Butler over Claiborne.

I think you mean what Odell and the turf did to Tavon. That only happened because Jimmy Smith went out. 

[purpletide]

11 hours ago, Martin Maryland said:

OK.  if you read my statement, I said what Aaron Rodgers did to Cowboys secondary. Claiborne wasn't there, because he was hurt. I was referring to Rodgers who we will be playing against this season. 

Facts

Butler, 27, played all 16 games plus playoffs in last 3 seasons.

2 Superbowl rings, Suoerbowl game wiining play against Seahawks, but twisted his ankle on one play against Atlanta, BTW, shut them down rest of the game, and won, again.

Claiborne, 27, never played full 16 games in 5 seasons. No playoff experience.

So, in this scenario, Ravens in a tight playoff game up by a point, in the 4 the quarter, with 2 min on the clock and opposing team NE has the ball, who do I want? I want Jimmy Smith as my CB1,, Tavon Young inside covering  Edelnan slot and on the other side CB2 Malcolm Butler, playmaker, covering lacrosse player name Hogan to prevent him from scoring TD on us. 

Call me what you want, but I'm old school, and I use 2000 Ravens Superbowl Greatest Defense of NFL as measuring stick.

So, with that mindset, Yes, I might be considered too critical. I also understand the price of Butler versus Claiborne, but I also understand what it takes to build Championship Caliber defense.

 

 

Pats are obviously better than the Cowboys, so the playoffs thing doesn't matter when it's almost guaranteed. If you can brush off the play that Butler got torched for a TD, then we can also take off the game-winning play in which it seemed like Wilson was throwing there anyway, and Butler was just in the right position. It boils down to Claiborne and Butler having pretty much the same amount of skill (from what I see), but if we go the Claiborne route then we also get a first rounder without giving the reigning SB champs the 16th overall pick. Having a 1st-3rd round CB and Claiborne is far better than just Butler (and again I can't get over how stupid it is to give NE 16th pick given what all we need to work on). As I said before we would love to have a BPA slider in the first that you couldn't match in the second round if everything lines up.

[Purple&Black#20]

Let's trade our 6th round pick to Cleveland for Josh Gordon if he's reinstated. He needs a  fresh start and has showed he's a #1 receiver.

[Willbacker]

20 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Let's trade our 6th round pick to Cleveland for Josh Gordon if he's reinstated. He needs a  fresh start and has showed he's a #1 receiver.

I'm sure Cleveland would be highly interested in trading with Baltimore. Lets use our 6th on a receiver instead.

[trevorsteadman]

45 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Let's trade our 6th round pick to Cleveland for Josh Gordon if he's reinstated. He needs a  fresh start and has showed he's a #1 receiver.

Not sure why this is negged... I actually like the idea. Josh Gordon proved he is a good receiver on the field. Problem is his issues off the field which aren't even really that concerning. I mean getting banned from the league for drinking alcohol after the league year was over just because he was on probation is really rediculous in my opinion.

I think if you put him with a playoff contender like Baltimore I wouldn't be surprised if he shot straight. I mean a 6th is a low pick and you would be getting a player who proved he can hang by putting up a 1600 yard season. I actually would like that idea.

But I do believe Josh Gordon is actually a free agent now which means that the Ravens wouldn't even have to give a pick to Cleveland. Give him an incentive based deal worth up to $3 million. Low cost high reward.

I would love to see Josh Gordon here.

[January J]

Anyone know if the zuttah release has been confirmed? ( via bleacher report)

[purpletide]

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Let's trade our 6th round pick to Cleveland for Josh Gordon if he's reinstated. He needs a  fresh start and has showed he's a #1 receiver.

I read that he's a RFA somewhere, so no trade required. I'm down, his past issues/violations are manageable and he's young and could use guidance. I wouldn't be near as forgiving if he had violent crimes on his record or showed that he's legitimately a dangerous person. I have no doubt that he's a good player and we could use that low cost/risk high reward guy this offseason. We need to improve our offense step by step, and I like this move.

[Tyler]

15 hours ago, jboy19 said:

Since Jason La Canfora is the one stating Morris Claiborne is expecting to sign with the Ravens... I am 95% sure that Morris Claiborne will not sign with the Ravens. 

Not a La Canfora fan at all, but to be fair, he did call the Tony Jefferson signing LONG before anyone else. I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. 

[lgcs27288]

2 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Not sure why this is negged... I actually like the idea. Josh Gordon proved he is a good receiver on the field. Problem is his issues off the field which aren't even really that concerning. I mean getting banned from the league for drinking alcohol after the league year was over just because he was on probation is really rediculous in my opinion.

I think if you put him with a playoff contender like Baltimore I wouldn't be surprised if he shot straight. I mean a 6th is a low pick and you would be getting a player who proved he can hang by putting up a 1600 yard season. I actually would like that idea.

But I do believe Josh Gordon is actually a free agent now which means that the Ravens wouldn't even have to give a pick to Cleveland. Give him an incentive based deal worth up to $3 million. Low cost high reward.

I would love to see Josh Gordon here.

Please tell me the last time a team traded within their division... please.

[usmccharles]

15 hours ago, Martin Maryland said:

Call me what you want, but I'm old school, and I use 2000 Ravens Superbowl Greatest Defense of NFL as measuring stick.

Delusional?

 

[eek]

3 hours ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Let's trade our 6th round pick to Cleveland for Josh Gordon if he's reinstated. He needs a  fresh start and has showed he's a #1 receiver.

rather use are 6th to go get jordan matthews, i been seeing articles that he's on the trade block

[eek]

2 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Not sure why this is negged... I actually like the idea. Josh Gordon proved he is a good receiver on the field. Problem is his issues off the field which aren't even really that concerning. I mean getting banned from the league for drinking alcohol after the league year was over just because he was on probation is really rediculous in my opinion.

I think if you put him with a playoff contender like Baltimore I wouldn't be surprised if he shot straight. I mean a 6th is a low pick and you would be getting a player who proved he can hang by putting up a 1600 yard season. I actually would like that idea.

But I do believe Josh Gordon is actually a free agent now which means that the Ravens wouldn't even have to give a pick to Cleveland. Give him an incentive based deal worth up to $3 million. Low cost high reward.

I would love to see Josh Gordon here.

do you understand that when you fail drug or alcohol test in the NFL, (we the public think its only one test) but there had been 4 or 5 tests prior to the one that fails them. he's a habitual offender, his behavior does not fit us. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, eek said:

rather use are 6th to go get jordan matthews, i been seeing articles that he's on the trade block

6th aint getting it done. And he wants to get paid next year.

And since they werent able to sign a WR to a long term deal, i imagine they're not as serious about trading him now. Most of that chatter was before they signed Torrey and Alshon and they were still in on Cooks.

[Martin Maryland]

3 hours ago, purpletide said:

Pats are obviously better than the Cowboys, so the playoffs thing doesn't matter when it's almost guaranteed. If you can brush off the play that Butler got torched for a TD, then we can also take off the game-winning play in which it seemed like Wilson was throwing there anyway, and Butler was just in the right position. It boils down to Claiborne and Butler having pretty much the same amount of skill (from what I see), but if we go the Claiborne route then we also get a first rounder without giving the reigning SB champs the 16th overall pick. Having a 1st-3rd round CB and Claiborne is far better than just Butler (and again I can't get over how stupid it is to give NE 16th pick given what all we need to work on). As I said before we would love to have a BPA slider in the first that you couldn't match in the second round if everything lines up.

Reasonable thinking I can somewhat agree with. Picking a 1st rounder could be a crapshoot,  you could get someone like Mosley or someone like Elam, who knows? We need immediate impact starter and that might take year or two. Or we might get lucky, but I think it's really 50/50 odds.

If I was gonna trade the 1st rounder for Butler I would certainly want their 3rd rounder as well. 

But it seems as he will be signing with Saints for their 1st rounder on Thursday, so it's a mute point.

I'm still not sold on spending boatload of money on injury prone Claiborne. 1 year prove-it deal maybe.

 

[Purple_City39]

27 minutes ago, lgcs27288 said:

Please tell me the last time a team traded within their division... please.

It's very rare, but it happens.  Dolphins traded Welker to Patriots.  Eagles traded McNabb to Skins  Steelers traded a future 3rd to Browns for their 4th to draft Shamarko Thomas.  I'm sure there's more.

But again, it's rare, but it happens.  I don't know if this one would, but there's always a chance

[allblackraven]

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Not sure why this is negged... I actually like the idea. Josh Gordon proved he is a good receiver on the field. Problem is his issues off the field which aren't even really that concerning. I mean getting banned from the league for drinking alcohol after the league year was over just because he was on probation is really rediculous in my opinion.

I think if you put him with a playoff contender like Baltimore I wouldn't be surprised if he shot straight. I mean a 6th is a low pick and you would be getting a player who proved he can hang by putting up a 1600 yard season. I actually would like that idea.

But I do believe Josh Gordon is actually a free agent now which means that the Ravens wouldn't even have to give a pick to Cleveland. Give him an incentive based deal worth up to $3 million. Low cost high reward.

I would love to see Josh Gordon here.

Lot of water will flow under the bridge before the Ravens try the repeat of a Will Hill experiment. With a case like Gordon it won't happen ever.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Judge dismisses all charges against Revis according to Aditi Kinkhabwala.

Prob still not interested.... he fell off a cliff. Though that whole secondary was trash. Ill trust the FO on this one. If interested ill be. If not, im not.

[Martin Maryland]

15 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Are there people that actually think we'd trade a 1st rounder for Butler? And that it's a good idea???

Now I understand why there's a segment of fans who think Ozzies a terrible GM. 

Its not just a 1st rounder you're giving up either bc he wants to get PAID. He's unhappy bc they ONLY offered him $9m/yr. A 1st round pick is supposed to give you a top talent for 4-5 years on a cheap deal. It's dumb to spend it on an above average talent and a massive contract. 

 

Claiborne for less than half the price probably is a much better idea. And if not... being patient and keeping our draft picks is also a much better idea. 

Claiborne or draft. Mangold and Barwin if possible. Maybe Dunlap/Clady if incredibly cheap. 

Thats it. 

 

AP? Cruz?? No thanks. 

 

And we do have RT's on the roster. Plenty of options depending on how the puzzle fits together. Wesley they like a lot. Nembot is a developmental prospect. Hurst is still here though hopefully not the answer. Yanda can be a pro bowl level RT if a better option at guard presents itself. And while they like Lewis better at guard, he held his own at LT and in a pinch or to suit a best starting 5 combo could prob slide out to tackle. 

No need to reach or overpay for underwhelming options. We can already trot out underwhelming options without throwing more money at the problem. 

Come On, I never implied Ozzie Newsome was terrible. On contrary I think we got the best of the best GM. 

And one his best deals came in 2010 Draft when he TRADED RAVENS 1ST ROUND PICK No.25 to Denver Broncos. 2 years later Ravens were Superbowl Champions. What? Ozzie traded out of the 1st round? Yes, he did,. 

[usmccharles]

Might as well look into Justin Blackmon.  I don't get people who want to bring in players that aren't even able to play in the NFL legally

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Judge dismisses all charges against Revis according to Aditi Kinkhabwala.

Prob still not interested.... he fell off a cliff. Though that whole secondary was trash. Ill trust the FO on this one. If interested ill be. If not, im not.

Rich people can get away with a lot

[Sunday QB]

Why are we not bringing in players for workouts like the rest of the league?

[The Raven]

5 minutes ago, Sunday QB said:

Why are we not bringing in players for workouts like the rest of the league?

Why waste time and money buying used tires when you're in the market for an all new car?

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Sunday QB said:

Why are we not bringing in players for workouts like the rest of the league?

Do you even follow the Ravens on a regular basis or is this like your first week?

[purpletide]

1 hour ago, Martin Maryland said:

Reasonable thinking I can somewhat agree with. Picking a 1st rounder could be a crapshoot,  you could get someone like Mosley or someone like Elam, who knows? We need immediate impact starter and that might take year or two. Or we might get lucky, but I think it's really 50/50 odds.

If I was gonna trade the 1st rounder for Butler I would certainly want their 3rd rounder as well. 

But it seems as he will be signing with Saints for their 1st rounder on Thursday, so it's a mute point.

I'm still not sold on spending boatload of money on injury prone Claiborne. 1 year prove-it deal maybe.

 

Taking a third rounder and Butler is more reasonable, but as you said it doesn't matter anyway. Also keep in mind Elam was the 32nd overall pick (in 2013, which was a garbage draft as a whole) and Mosley was 17th. I did talk Claiborne up more than what I actually think he'll bring to the team, I don't like his injury history and that makes me unsure of what his future with us will actually be like if we do sign him. That's why I still like a CB in the early rounds, and I'm confident that Ozzie will see that forking over a ton of cash for Claiborne is a bad idea. It's definitely not guaranteed that we even pick up Claiborne but I'm pretty sure we will, and as long as the contract's reasonable I don't think we could go wrong with having another potentially good CB.

[Purple&Black#20]

2 hours ago, lgcs27288 said:

Please tell me the last time a team traded within their division... please.

Djax was traded from the Eagles to the Redskins. Or was he released and picked up. 

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Martin Maryland said:

 

I'm still not sold on spending boatload of money on injury prone Claiborne. 1 year prove-it deal maybe.

What kind of money do you think he will command?

Edited March 15 by usmccharles

[Martin Maryland]

17 minutes ago, purpletide said:

Taking a third rounder and Butler is more reasonable, but as you said it doesn't matter anyway. Also keep in mind Elam was the 32nd overall pick (in 2013, which was a garbage draft as a whole) and Mosley was 17th. I did talk Claiborne up more than what I actually think he'll bring to the team, I don't like his injury history and that makes me unsure of what his future with us will actually be like if we do sign him. That's why I still like a CB in the early rounds, and I'm confident that Ozzie will see that forking over a ton of cash for Claiborne is a bad idea. It's definitely not guaranteed that we even pick up Claiborne but I'm pretty sure we will, and as long as the contract's reasonable I don't think we could go wrong with having another potentially good CB.

We both agree we need to get 2 cornerbacks - one solid starter and one drafted in rounds 1-3. 

With that in mind Im not sold on Claiborne, maybe 1-2 yr. deal, if the price is right, which I doubt it.

I would be more interested to know of possibly bringing in Darelle Revis and how much would it take so sign him for 1yr deal, while hopefully one of our rookies turns into gold.

[Edgar]

Think I just read that we swapped sixth round picks with San Fran in exchange for Zuttah

[purpletide]

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

Think I just read that we swapped sixth round picks with San Fran in exchange for Zuttah

Yeah not sure how I feel about that yet