Free Agency 2017 (Players from Other Teams We Should Consider)

[Deflated Football]

2 minutes ago, January J said:

6.5 mil sounds way too steep for Aiken...don't you think?  I was thinking we would offer somewhere between 2.5 - 3.7...I guess some WR needy team with cap space galore could offer more but I don't see him making more than 5 a year anywhere. 

I'd find it hilarious if we give Aiken 6.5 mill annually and Pryor gets like 8 mill annually from a team like New England. That would so be the Ravens. 

[VermontRaven]

3 minutes ago, January J said:

6.5 mil sounds way too steep for Aiken...don't you think?  I was thinking we would offer somewhere between 2.5 - 3.7...I guess some WR needy team with cap space galore could offer more but I don't see him making more than 5 a year anywhere. 

Agreed.  I can pretty much guarantee you that if Aiken gets 6.5 million, it won't be with the Ravens, that's for sure.  I could see us offering him around 3 mil, but no more than that.

[usmccharles]

8 minutes ago, January J said:

6.5 mil sounds way too steep for Aiken...don't you think?  I was thinking we would offer somewhere between 2.5 - 3.7...I guess some WR needy team with cap space galore could offer more but I don't see him making more than 5 a year anywhere. 

Definitely agree, for us its too steep.  But if the number 2 and 3 guys in Cinci got the contracts they got, who knows whats going to happen this year and what if the cap goes up? 

Interesting breakdown

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/kamar-aiken-8566/market-value/

Edited December 7, 2016 by usmccharles

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Definitely agree, for us its too steep.  But if the number 2 and 3 guys in Cinci got the contracts they got, who knows whats going to happen this year and what if the cap goes up? 

Interesting breakdown

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/kamar-aiken-8566/market-value/

Yeah I don't see it. I think people were saying the same thing about guys like Reuben Randle last year... how it was a down class for WRs and average WRs were going to get big deals.

It really didn't happen that much.

[usmccharles]

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah I don't see it. I think people were saying the same thing about guys like Reuben Randle last year... how it was a down class for WRs and average WRs were going to get big deals.

It really didn't happen that much.

agreed

[kjbmore]

10 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Right player, right price.  If we were the raiders were we had 60mill in cap space then sure why not.  If we would of kept KO that means no Weddle and no Wallace.  When Stanley has played, our line looks decent and will continue to develop.  Not too many people here were aboard giving KO 13mill, because look at the holes it creates elsewhere.  Next year I expect our line to look even better.  You have to use context when talking about things, its like saying why didn't you buy a Ferrari as your first car...because you didn't have the money, obviously. 

Ah, I wasn't aware he was on record saying that, then I guess that settles that. 

Last year I was trying to predict that Garcon was going to be cut but I was wrong, obviously, he is a FA this year. 

Aiken will be a FA and sportrac apparently has a Market Value calculator, don't know how long that's been around, has aiken at 6.5mill

Michael Floyd

Robert Woods

Brandon Lafell

Desean Jackson, but I think we all agree he wont fit in here

There isn't too many WRs that look like they bring instant production in FA right now, most likely have to wait for some veteran cuts

 

If we paid KO, I don't think we need to worry about Watson & Wallace. I think we could look like Dsllas just playing a power run game behind our monster Oline, controlling clock - we play Perriman & Moore on the outside and Smith, Aiken in the slot.

Run the ball down your throat all game long, put men in the box - start taking deep shots. 

Still grab Weddle.

 

 

[usmccharles]

39 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

If we paid KO, I don't think we need to worry about Watson & Wallace. I think we could look like Dsllas just playing a power run game behind our monster Oline, controlling clock - we play Perriman & Moore on the outside and Smith, Aiken in the slot.

Run the ball down your throat all game long, put men in the box - start taking deep shots. 

Still grab Weddle.

Not quite you understand how the cap works.  And keeping KO doesnt mean Twest, Forsett, Dixon turn into a elite RB.  Yes, Dallas' line helps Elliot, obviously, but he would still be a great RB anywhere he goes.  If you think We would be fine without Weddle and Wallace, i have no clue what team you have been watching. 

[kjbmore]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Not quite you understand how the cap works.  And keeping KO doesnt mean Twest, Forsett, Dixon turn into a elite RB.  Yes, Dallas' line helps Elliot, obviously, but he would still be a great RB anywhere he goes.  If you think We would be fine without Weddle and Wallace, i have no clue what team you have been watching. 

I understand how the cap works bud.

Im sure we could retain KO and squeeze Weddle in

we don't go out and get WALLACE and Watson, Hester, Powers, Ducasse and maybe we pass on signing Shareece wright and we might have gotten rid of - Arrington & Lewis a year earlier

i would be fine with this - most of those guys are gone next year 

we added a heap of pieces that outside of Weddle n Wallace haven't done a great deal 

We run safety - Weddle, Webb, Elam, Brooks

Corners - Jimmy, Canady, Young, price - prob would have spent a second or 3rd to add to this group

If we had a line of Stanley, KO, Zuttah, Yanda & Wagner - I don't think missing out on Mike Wallace would be a huge issue.

I think we'd look more like 2014 when we sent a journeyman in Forsett to the probowl.

Again I think we'd be ok with Smith, Perriman, Moore and Aiken if our oline was stacking up

our 2014 season we had smith, Aiken, torrey, jacoby, Daniels, Gilmore - that line sent Forsett to the probowl, i think a Dixon & West combo would Be pretty successful 

also think Zuttah would prob be playing at a higher level and we'd be looking for a tackle to replace Wagner in the draft and then a centre the following year

the line has been one of our bigger issues this year, fair bit to do with health but if we'd kept KO it would probably be one of our greatest strengths - we'd control clock running and then you can't run on us

one guy who epitomised Ravens football too

anyway he's gone now

Edited December 8, 2016 by kjbmore

[trevorsteadman]

9 hours ago, kjbmore said:

I understand how the cap works bud.

Im sure we could retain KO and squeeze Weddle in

we don't go out and get WALLACE and Watson, Hester, Powers, Ducasse and maybe we pass on signing Shareece wright and we might have gotten rid of - Arrington & Lewis a year earlier

i would be fine with this - most of those guys are gone next year 

we added a heap of pieces that outside of Weddle n Wallace haven't done a great deal 

We run safety - Weddle, Webb, Elam, Brooks

Corners - Jimmy, Canady, Young, price - prob would have spent a second or 3rd to add to this group

If we had a line of Stanley, KO, Zuttah, Yanda & Wagner - I don't think missing out on Mike Wallace would be a huge issue.

I think we'd look more like 2014 when we sent a journeyman in Forsett to the probowl.

Again I think we'd be ok with Smith, Perriman, Moore and Aiken if our oline was stacking up

our 2014 season we had smith, Aiken, torrey, jacoby, Daniels, Gilmore - that line sent Forsett to the probowl, i think a Dixon & West combo would Be pretty successful 

also think Zuttah would prob be playing at a higher level and we'd be looking for a tackle to replace Wagner in the draft and then a centre the following year

the line has been one of our bigger issues this year, fair bit to do with health but if we'd kept KO it would probably be one of our greatest strengths - we'd control clock running and then you can't run on us

one guy who epitomised Ravens football too

anyway he's gone now

Wallace has been our most consistent offensive players... Watson is hindsight bias he was going to be a very good piece for this offense. This offense has struggled with not having a blocking tight end (Williams and Gillmore injuries, Boyle and Waller suspensions). Ducasse has done a phenomenal job at RG. Plus if we don't have Shareece Wright or Jerraud Powers who do you plan on playing cornerback? 

You would trade 1 player in Osemele for 10 people? How do you plan on signing people to fill the 53 man roster? 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 hours ago, kjbmore said:

I understand how the cap works bud.

Im sure we could retain KO and squeeze Weddle in

we don't go out and get WALLACE and Watson, Hester, Powers, Ducasse and maybe we pass on signing Shareece wright and we might have gotten rid of - Arrington & Lewis a year earlier

i would be fine with this - most of those guys are gone next year 

we added a heap of pieces that outside of Weddle n Wallace haven't done a great deal 

We run safety - Weddle, Webb, Elam, Brooks

Corners - Jimmy, Canady, Young, price - prob would have spent a second or 3rd to add to this group

If we had a line of Stanley, KO, Zuttah, Yanda & Wagner - I don't think missing out on Mike Wallace would be a huge issue.

I think we'd look more like 2014 when we sent a journeyman in Forsett to the probowl.

Again I think we'd be ok with Smith, Perriman, Moore and Aiken if our oline was stacking up

our 2014 season we had smith, Aiken, torrey, jacoby, Daniels, Gilmore - that line sent Forsett to the probowl, i think a Dixon & West combo would Be pretty successful 

also think Zuttah would prob be playing at a higher level and we'd be looking for a tackle to replace Wagner in the draft and then a centre the following year

the line has been one of our bigger issues this year, fair bit to do with health but if we'd kept KO it would probably be one of our greatest strengths - we'd control clock running and then you can't run on us

one guy who epitomised Ravens football too

anyway he's gone now

Too easy to do in hindsight.

But, no way to plan your offseason around a 4th round rookie CB taking starter snaps on the outside. Guys like Wright and Powers seemed like musts. And Powers is performing a key role for us now. Our pass D is no where near as good as it is right now if say Wright or Canady is having to play significant snaps.

Plus not making certain FA additions probably changes what  we do in the draft to a degree, and maybe we dont come out with Dixon, Tavon (we take a CB higher bc its a need, and wind up with a lesser talent using a higher pick), Judon, Lewis, etc... No way to say that if we dont make the same FA moves, that we definitely make the same draft picks. So, the assumptions made are flawed.

You're also undervaluing the role that Kubiak played in the run games success in 2014. Largely the same line early in 2015 wasnt doing so hot. We had the line you're talking about in 2015 and the offense wasnt ok with just the weapons you're suggesting we role with in 2016.

Wallace is KEY. Perriman wasnt ready to start the season, and i dont htink theres any way we get off to the 3-0 start if we're counting on Perriman, Moore and Aiken to play huge roles. Wallace carried our passing game through that stretch.

 

I just dont get how the same line from 2015 is magically in 2016 going to make an offensive juggernaut out of less experienced playmakers.

Edited December 8, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[usmccharles]

^what they said.   Keeping KO completely changed the entire outlook of our team. Didn't we offer him around 8mill?

Edited December 8, 2016 by usmccharles

[trevorsteadman]

I just don't realize where he thinks the team is going to get its production from... Mike Wallace has 850 yards on the season. He will most likely be the only receiver on the Ravens to eclipse 1000 yards receiving. Perriman has had flashes sure but not enough to warrant him starting. Steve Smith is coming off an injury and playing decent, not as well as he usually does but the team was expecting that. 

Without Mike Wallace this team would have probably another 4 L's. I know that is a bold statement but watch the games. He carries the offense at times just as much as Steve Smith has. 

Edited December 8, 2016 by trevorsteadman

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I just don't realize where he thinks the team is going to get its production from... Mike Wallace has 850 yards on the season. He will most likely be the only receiver on the Ravens to eclipse 1000 yards receiving. Perriman has had flashes sure but not enough to warrant him starting. Steve Smith is coming off an injury and playing decent, not as well as he usually does but the team was expecting that. 

Without Mike Wallace this team would have probably another 4 L's. I know that is a bold statement but watch the games. He carries the offense at times just as much as Steve Smith has. 

I think it stemmed from when I said we need to build Joe a good offensive line rather than signing a guy like Pryor at 10+ a year.   But then I turned around and defended the decision to let KO walk because paying a guard 13 mill a year in our cap situation isn't very efficient (imo) while staying that we don't get Weddle and Wallace if we keep KO, which almost every member here agrees both were great signings.   

[rmw10]

10 hours ago, kjbmore said:

I understand how the cap works bud.

Im sure we could retain KO and squeeze Weddle in

we don't go out and get WALLACE and Watson, Hester, Powers, Ducasse and maybe we pass on signing Shareece wright and we might have gotten rid of - Arrington & Lewis a year earlier

i would be fine with this - most of those guys are gone next year 

we added a heap of pieces that outside of Weddle n Wallace haven't done a great deal 

We run safety - Weddle, Webb, Elam, Brooks

Corners - Jimmy, Canady, Young, price - prob would have spent a second or 3rd to add to this group

If we had a line of Stanley, KO, Zuttah, Yanda & Wagner - I don't think missing out on Mike Wallace would be a huge issue.

I think we'd look more like 2014 when we sent a journeyman in Forsett to the probowl.

Again I think we'd be ok with Smith, Perriman, Moore and Aiken if our oline was stacking up

our 2014 season we had smith, Aiken, torrey, jacoby, Daniels, Gilmore - that line sent Forsett to the probowl, i think a Dixon & West combo would Be pretty successful 

also think Zuttah would prob be playing at a higher level and we'd be looking for a tackle to replace Wagner in the draft and then a centre the following year

the line has been one of our bigger issues this year, fair bit to do with health but if we'd kept KO it would probably be one of our greatest strengths - we'd control clock running and then you can't run on us

one guy who epitomised Ravens football too

anyway he's gone now

You also forget about the longevity of said contract.  KO's deal would have been backloaded.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 hours ago, kjbmore said:

I understand how the cap works bud.

Im sure we could retain KO and squeeze Weddle in

we don't go out and get WALLACE and Watson, Hester, Powers, Ducasse and maybe we pass on signing Shareece wright and we might have gotten rid of - Arrington & Lewis a year earlier

i would be fine with this - most of those guys are gone next year 

we added a heap of pieces that outside of Weddle n Wallace haven't done a great deal 

We run safety - Weddle, Webb, Elam, Brooks

Corners - Jimmy, Canady, Young, price - prob would have spent a second or 3rd to add to this group

If we had a line of Stanley, KO, Zuttah, Yanda & Wagner - I don't think missing out on Mike Wallace would be a huge issue.

I think we'd look more like 2014 when we sent a journeyman in Forsett to the probowl.

Again I think we'd be ok with Smith, Perriman, Moore and Aiken if our oline was stacking up

our 2014 season we had smith, Aiken, torrey, jacoby, Daniels, Gilmore - that line sent Forsett to the probowl, i think a Dixon & West combo would Be pretty successful 

also think Zuttah would prob be playing at a higher level and we'd be looking for a tackle to replace Wagner in the draft and then a centre the following year

the line has been one of our bigger issues this year, fair bit to do with health but if we'd kept KO it would probably be one of our greatest strengths - we'd control clock running and then you can't run on us

one guy who epitomised Ravens football too

anyway he's gone now

Also, another thing I missed. If we keep KO it was to move him to LT most likely.

I would almost bet 100% that if we signed KO, we dont draft Stanley. So then we probably push harder to move up for Ramsey and dont take Tavon.

Now the whole worlds different and you cant say anything about what this team would really look like. But you have the same line you did in '15 most likely of KO-insertnamehere-Zuttah-Yanda-Wagner not the line of Stanley-KO-Zuttah-Yanda-Wagner.

[Prino61]

We let K.O go and It all played out perfectly, We're leading our division and I still don't think we're playing our best football..... well we did against Mia

Edited December 8, 2016 by Prino61

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, kjbmore said:

I understand how the cap works bud.

Im sure we could retain KO and squeeze Weddle in

we don't go out and get WALLACE and Watson, Hester, Powers, Ducasse and maybe we pass on signing Shareece wright and we might have gotten rid of - Arrington & Lewis a year earlier

i would be fine with this - most of those guys are gone next year 

we added a heap of pieces that outside of Weddle n Wallace haven't done a great deal 

We run safety - Weddle, Webb, Elam, Brooks

Corners - Jimmy, Canady, Young, price - prob would have spent a second or 3rd to add to this group

If we had a line of Stanley, KO, Zuttah, Yanda & Wagner - I don't think missing out on Mike Wallace would be a huge issue.

I think we'd look more like 2014 when we sent a journeyman in Forsett to the probowl.

Again I think we'd be ok with Smith, Perriman, Moore and Aiken if our oline was stacking up

our 2014 season we had smith, Aiken, torrey, jacoby, Daniels, Gilmore - that line sent Forsett to the probowl, i think a Dixon & West combo would Be pretty successful 

also think Zuttah would prob be playing at a higher level and we'd be looking for a tackle to replace Wagner in the draft and then a centre the following year

the line has been one of our bigger issues this year, fair bit to do with health but if we'd kept KO it would probably be one of our greatest strengths - we'd control clock running and then you can't run on us

one guy who epitomised Ravens football too

anyway he's gone now

If KO is here, Stanley isn't. We offered KO a contract to play LT for us, not LG. Can never get a reasonable ROI on paying a LG $12M a year. The reason why the Raiders can afford to do that NOW is because Derek Carr, Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack have cap hits totaling $11M COMBINED in 2016, and will likely continue that trend into 2017 as well. When all three of those players get gigantic paydays (and they will), guess where they will come looking first to cut? The Guard who's making $10M+ a year. They'll dump him or move him to LT, because they won't be able to justify that price tag anymore.

I'll give the Raiders credit... they were smart with his contract. They didn't spread out his bonus after the lifetime of the deal... they just paid it and took the cap hit. He costs $13.2M against the cap in 2016 and 2017, which is smart, because Cooper, Mack and Carr are likely still on rookie deals during that time.

After that, he has no guaranteed money left, and the dead money is minimal.

Such are the perks of a team who spent the last decade drafting in the top half of the draft because they never won. We can be one of those teams if you'd like to be... all you gotta do is lose for a decade.

This is where the o so special "patience" that fans show on here makes these kinds of posts hypocritical.

I can say one thing for certain... your understanding of the salary cap is not nearly as good as you think it is...

 

Edited December 8, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rmw10]

22 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If KO is here, Stanley isn't. We offered KO a contract to play LT for us, not LG. Can never get a reasonable ROI on paying a LG $12M a year. The reason why the Raiders can afford to do that NOW is because Derek Carr, Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack have cap hits totaling $11M COMBINED in 2016, and will likely continue that trend into 2017 as well. When all three of those players get gigantic paydays (and they will), guess where they will come looking first to cut? The Guard who's making $10M+ a year. They'll dump him or move him to LT, because they won't be able to justify that price tag anymore.

I'll give the Raiders credit... they were smart with his contract. They didn't spread out his bonus after the lifetime of the deal... they just paid it and took the cap hit. He costs $13.2M against the cap in 2016 and 2017, which is smart, because Cooper, Mack and Carr are likely still on rookie deals during that time.

After that, he has no guaranteed money left, and the dead money is minimal.

Such are the perks of a team who spent the last decade drafting in the top half of the draft because they never won. We can be one of those teams if you'd like to be... all you gotta do is lose for a decade.

This is where the o so special "patience" that fans show on here makes these kinds of posts hypocritical.

I can say one thing for certain... your understanding of the salary cap is not nearly as good as you think it is...

 

Yep. The Raiders could swing that type of deal because they've regularly had tons of cap space because they didn't have any good players to pay.  They were smart in taking some big hits early so they can potentially keep him down the line when the names you mentioned get their deals.  The Raiders had that type of flexibility.  The Ravens didn't.  We probably would have had to backload the hell out of that deal and that would have really been a disaster for the future.

[AsianRice]

49 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If KO is here, Stanley isn't. We offered KO a contract to play LT for us, not LG. Can never get a reasonable ROI on paying a LG $12M a year. The reason why the Raiders can afford to do that NOW is because Derek Carr, Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack have cap hits totaling $11M COMBINED in 2016, and will likely continue that trend into 2017 as well. When all three of those players get gigantic paydays (and they will), guess where they will come looking first to cut? The Guard who's making $10M+ a year. They'll dump him or move him to LT, because they won't be able to justify that price tag anymore.

I'll give the Raiders credit... they were smart with his contract. They didn't spread out his bonus after the lifetime of the deal... they just paid it and took the cap hit. He costs $13.2M against the cap in 2016 and 2017, which is smart, because Cooper, Mack and Carr are likely still on rookie deals during that time.

After that, he has no guaranteed money left, and the dead money is minimal.

Such are the perks of a team who spent the last decade drafting in the top half of the draft because they never won. We can be one of those teams if you'd like to be... all you gotta do is lose for a decade.

This is where the o so special "patience" that fans show on here makes these kinds of posts hypocritical.

I can say one thing for certain... your understanding of the salary cap is not nearly as good as you think it is...

 

We are so spoiled......

[JoeyFlex5]

If we're looking at FA WRs, do we need to go after a possession guy or another big play threat? Someone earlier said Jackson wouldn't fit here but I don't get it. Speed kills as long as the speed translates to the field, and Jackson has proven that it translates. BP Wallace and Djax would be a ridiculously dangerous wr corps, especially since djax and Wallace have both shown that they can also work the underneath And turn it into big plays, and perriman with more work may be able to do it better than either of them. 

Anyone have an idea of what djax will be pursuing in the market this off-season?

[hereweare]

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we're looking at FA WRs, do we need to go after a possession guy or another big play threat? Someone earlier said Jackson wouldn't fit here but I don't get it. Speed kills as long as the speed translates to the field, and Jackson has proven that it translates. BP Wallace and Djax would be a ridiculously dangerous wr corps, especially since djax and Wallace have both shown that they can also work the underneath And turn it into big plays, and perriman with more work may be able to do it better than either of them. 

Anyone have an idea of what djax will be pursuing in the market this off-season?

Wouldn't you want someone who compliments Wallace and Perriman not duplicates them? Garcon gets serious YAC and has 38 FIRST DOWN catches..that's pretty impressive.

[rmw10]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we're looking at FA WRs, do we need to go after a possession guy or another big play threat? Someone earlier said Jackson wouldn't fit here but I don't get it. Speed kills as long as the speed translates to the field, and Jackson has proven that it translates. BP Wallace and Djax would be a ridiculously dangerous wr corps, especially since djax and Wallace have both shown that they can also work the underneath And turn it into big plays, and perriman with more work may be able to do it better than either of them. 

Anyone have an idea of what djax will be pursuing in the market this off-season?

I don't see the need for another burner.  Get a reliable target that can work the sticks, not another guy who is big play or bust almost.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, hereweare said:

Wouldn't you want someone who compliments Wallace and Perriman not duplicates them? Garcon gets serious YAC and has 38 FIRST DOWN catches..that's pretty impressive.

He's the more likely of the 2 to stick around in washington I think so that would be moot.

 

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't see the need for another burner.  Get a reliable target that can work the sticks, not another guy who is big play or bust almost.

It's just so fun to think about having the 3 fastest receivers in the league in one offense...

[usmccharles]

31 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we're looking at FA WRs, do we need to go after a possession guy or another big play threat? Someone earlier said Jackson wouldn't fit here but I don't get it. Speed kills as long as the speed translates to the field, and Jackson has proven that it translates. BP Wallace and Djax would be a ridiculously dangerous wr corps, especially since djax and Wallace have both shown that they can also work the underneath And turn it into big plays, and perriman with more work may be able to do it better than either of them. 

Anyone have an idea of what djax will be pursuing in the market this off-season?

Pretty sure I said that.  Normaly you want to have a reliable possession type wr to work the slot,  pick up those first downs. Yea it would Be insane to have that kind of speed,  but I think Wallace and board already insanely fast,  add a dangerous chain mover and I think er have a good wr corps.  If only camp could have worked out.  

[trevorsteadman]

37 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Pretty sure I said that.  Normaly you want to have a reliable possession type wr to work the slot,  pick up those first downs. Yea it would Be insane to have that kind of speed,  but I think Wallace and board already insanely fast,  add a dangerous chain mover and I think er have a good wr corps.  If only camp could have worked out.  

You can stay in Washington and say Garcon... Garcon would be a good fit here.

[sibelius]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If KO is here, Stanley isn't. We offered KO a contract to play LT for us, not LG. Can never get a reasonable ROI on paying a LG $12M a year. The reason why the Raiders can afford to do that NOW is because Derek Carr, Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack have cap hits totaling $11M COMBINED in 2016, and will likely continue that trend into 2017 as well. When all three of those players get gigantic paydays (and they will), guess where they will come looking first to cut? The Guard who's making $10M+ a year. They'll dump him or move him to LT, because they won't be able to justify that price tag anymore.

I'll give the Raiders credit... they were smart with his contract. They didn't spread out his bonus after the lifetime of the deal... they just paid it and took the cap hit. He costs $13.2M against the cap in 2016 and 2017, which is smart, because Cooper, Mack and Carr are likely still on rookie deals during that time.

After that, he has no guaranteed money left, and the dead money is minimal.

Such are the perks of a team who spent the last decade drafting in the top half of the draft because they never won. We can be one of those teams if you'd like to be... all you gotta do is lose for a decade.

This is where the o so special "patience" that fans show on here makes these kinds of posts hypocritical.

I can say one thing for certain... your understanding of the salary cap is not nearly as good as you think it is...

 

Agree. You can legitimately knock the FO for reaching on Upshaw, Elam and Brown, misjudging Monroe's character, the Rice debacle, and repeated FA blunders in the secondary (i.e. K. Lewis, K. Arrington, M. Huff, etc.). Beyond that they've been straight up maestros in rebuilding this team for the end of Reed/Lewis' career and the years following whilst remaining competitive and built for the long haul.

[trevorsteadman]

6 minutes ago, sibelius said:

Agree. You can legitimately knock the FO for reaching on Upshaw, Elam and Brown, misjudging Monroe's character, the Rice debacle, and repeated FA blunders in the secondary (i.e. K. Lewis, K. Arrington, M. Huff, etc.). Beyond that they've been straight up maestros in rebuilding this team for the end of Reed/Lewis' career and the years following whilst remaining competitive and built for the long haul.

I still don't think Kendrick Lewis was a bad signing... 

[jboy19]

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I still don't think Kendrick Lewis was a bad signing... 

Agree. Hard to call a 3yr/5mil bad for anyone, let alone an average safety with decent ST play that can start if needed. 

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Agree. Hard to call a 3yr/5mil bad for anyone, let alone an average safety with decent ST play that can start if needed. 

He wasn't terrible last year. He was up and down. Then he got injured before the season this year. He is a fantastic #3 safety that can be a solid starter. I think he is a better fit at SS and he played FS last year I believe. Great signing for cheap. 

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8 minutes ago, sibelius said:

Agree. You can legitimately knock the FO for reaching on Upshaw, Elam and Brown, misjudging Monroe's character, the Rice debacle, and repeated FA blunders in the secondary (i.e. K. Lewis, K. Arrington, M. Huff, etc.). Beyond that they've been straight up maestros in rebuilding this team for the end of Reed/Lewis' career and the years following whilst remaining competitive and built for the long haul.

Some of these yes, some of them no.

The draft picks for the most part you are correct... we've whiffed more times than we should have or are used to. 

But guys like Monroe or Rice I had no issue with. There were essentially no red flags for Monroe when we gave him the extension he got (which was affordable compared to the market). And with Rice, nobody can know he's a domestic abuser. Those are two examples of "hindsight" knocks that fans complain about.

Draft picks there are valid complaints in real time, along with some other situations. Signing Pitta to that deal even after he dislocates his hip... a questionable decision at the time and even more so now. Decisions like that warrant second guessing from the fans.

When fans wait until years after a contract is handed out and then complain about it and say "it was a bad decision" based on information they don't get until after the contract is signed, it makes fans look unintelligent quite frankly. Implies that there's some sort of crystal ball somewhere where FO's should be able to predict things like injuries, domestic abuse, lack of desire to play, etc.