Free Agency 2017 (Players from Other Teams We Should Consider)

[Sherly_Tebow]

This may or may not have been brought up yet, but what about Julius Peppers? He's 36, and will be 37 next year. He's considering retirement after this year. But he's still playing pretty well and could be a boost to some degree. I have no clue what his price would be, which could easily be a deal beaker. We have a lot of young talent on the D-Line and linebackers, so signing JP could be a waste, but I'm trying to think outside the box. Would it be a good idea to consider him?

[trevorsteadman]

21 minutes ago, Sherly_Tebow said:

This may or may not have been brought up yet, but what about Julius Peppers? He's 36, and will be 37 next year. He's considering retirement after this year. But he's still playing pretty well and could be a boost to some degree. I have no clue what his price would be, which could easily be a deal beaker. We have a lot of young talent on the D-Line and linebackers, so signing JP could be a waste, but I'm trying to think outside the box. Would it be a good idea to consider him?

I think it is too risky of a signing and the defensive line already has a lot of young youth right now that is playing well. 

[redlobster]

On 12/1/2016 at 6:52 PM, kjbmore said:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20161122/BLOGS06/161129939/terrelle-pryor-will-cash-in-soon-but-will-it-be-with-browns

Spotrac estimates Pryor's market value at $10.76 million per year. The Tom Brady of sports salary websites says Pryor should receive a contract in the range of four years and $43 million, which would put his average annual salary at No. 75 overall and 11th among wide receivers.

im down for this if we can lure him away from the browns - I would like to see us give joe weapons he can just grow with and basically play with for the next 4 or 5 years, the man needs some consistency in his life - it looks like his 2 favourite targets are done - ssr retire, pittas not far off

Pryor & Perriman, Maxx hopefully as your dangerous pass catching TE other interchangeable parts but let that hopefully be the core for the next 4 or 5 years

 

 

 

Yikes, I like Pryor's game but $10 million a year for him is too expensive in my mind (for Baltimore to pay).

[rmw10]

31 minutes ago, Sherly_Tebow said:

This may or may not have been brought up yet, but what about Julius Peppers? He's 36, and will be 37 next year. He's considering retirement after this year. But he's still playing pretty well and could be a boost to some degree. I have no clue what his price would be, which could easily be a deal beaker. We have a lot of young talent on the D-Line and linebackers, so signing JP could be a waste, but I'm trying to think outside the box. Would it be a good idea to consider him?

I'd be open to it, but it would completely depend on the price and how else we address the position.  I wouldn't touch him until well after the draft, and probably not until after the comp pick factor goes away.  If we do cut Dumervil, then I think there could be room for a veteran as a rotational guy, but that depends on the draft again.  I wouldn't even consider it if it was strictly as a 4-3 DE in pass rushing situations, but it's his ability to rush from the inside as well that would have me interested.

[Deflated Football]

29 minutes ago, redlobster said:

Yikes, I like Pryor's game but $10 million a year for him is too expensive in my mind (for Baltimore to pay).

Yea. It's tempting, but just not worth it. I'd pay around 7ish per year, but that's it. Dude looks like a stud WR, but I need to see a couple more years of that before I hand over 10+ million. Needless to say though, it's very impressive to see what he's doing for an awful team and a revolving door at QB. He would be perfect for Flacco, but if the Browns were smart (they're not), they'd keep him to pair him with Coleman at all costs. I never in a million years thought we'd go after Weddle or Wallace, so who knows. 

[VermontRaven]

2 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Yea. It's tempting, but just not worth it. I'd pay around 7ish per year, but that's it. Dude looks like a stud WR, but I need to see a couple more years of that before I hand over 10+ million. Needless to say though, it's very impressive to see what he's doing for an awful team and a revolving door at QB. He would be perfect for Flacco, but if the Browns were smart (they're not), they'd keep him to pair him with Coleman at all costs. I never in a million years thought we'd go after Weddle or Wallace, so who knows. 

I'm with you.  Definitely tempting, but I think $10+ mil is too much for a guy that has only done it for 1 year.  I think somebody will pay him that, but I don't think that will be the Ravens.  If somehow he accepted 7ish per year, I'd be all for it.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Yea. It's tempting, but just not worth it. I'd pay around 7ish per year, but that's it. Dude looks like a stud WR, but I need to see a couple more years of that before I hand over 10+ million. Needless to say though, it's very impressive to see what he's doing for an awful team and a revolving door at QB. He would be perfect for Flacco, but if the Browns were smart (they're not), they'd keep him to pair him with Coleman at all costs. I never in a million years thought we'd go after Weddle or Wallace, so who knows. 

I could be wrong, but I don't think Pryor will get $10M a year.

That puts him in the Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb/Jeremy Maclin type range, and I don't think he has the production to match that yet.

Though I will say that guys like Allen Hurns and Tavon Austin are in that type of group, and I think Pryor is clearly better than both of them.

He's a tough case, and I wouldn't want to be the one to pay 5 figures a year for him.

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I could be wrong, but I don't think Pryor will get $10M a year.

That puts him in the Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb/Jeremy Maclin type range, and I don't think he has the production to match that yet.

Though I will say that guys like Allen Hurns and Tavon Austin are in that type of group, and I think Pryor is clearly better than both of them.

He's a tough case, and I wouldn't want to be the one to pay 5 figures a year for him.

I'm gonna preface this by saying I don't think the Ravens would touch a contract that high because they'll have Wallace coming back and Perriman is really coming on, so they'll be pretty decent to the point that they won't need a huge FA acquisition, BUT...

You know as well as I do that contracts are a projection of your value and what a player will continue to do. Pryor is about to have a 1,000 yard season (barring anything crazy happening) and probably around 70-80 catches in his first ever full time season at WR. He's an incredibly gifted athlete and has all the traits of being a number one receiver. 

I don't really have a huge issue with him getting that money from some team because the arrow is only going way up for him.

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Yea. It's tempting, but just not worth it. I'd pay around 7ish per year, but that's it. Dude looks like a stud WR, but I need to see a couple more years of that before I hand over 10+ million. Needless to say though, it's very impressive to see what he's doing for an awful team and a revolving door at QB. He would be perfect for Flacco, but if the Browns were smart (they're not), they'd keep him to pair him with Coleman at all costs. I never in a million years thought we'd go after Weddle or Wallace, so who knows. 

Yea, but Pyror also has the choice to leave, which to many it might sound better playing in say LA/Miami/NO @7 a year than Cleveland @ 10 a year.  Just a thought.  

8 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

I'm with you.  Definitely tempting, but I think $10+ mil is too much for a guy that has only done it for 1 year.  I think somebody will pay him that, but I don't think that will be the Ravens.  If somehow he accepted 7ish per year, I'd be all for it.

Im torn in this kind of situation, as crappy as we are at drafting WRs, id almost rather sign a guy and pay him so we know what we are getting, but that doesnt normally work too well.  Especially at that kind of money.  Pyror i think with the right qb will be a consistent guy, but will he have off the field issues? I dont think paying a WR that kind of money (10+mill) ever really works out, id rather build my team from the inside (trenches) to the outside

[kjbmore]

I say stop splitting hairs over a few million. 

We skimped on Boldin and it bit us

Weve got a solid D, we're going to need to pay some guys but we can add to that group in the draft

If we bring in Pryor, we look to replace Wallace through the draft in the next couple years 

Yards wise pryor is sitting behind the top tier - jones, Hilton, evans Beckham, brown, cooper, on the year and he's doing that in Cleveland

unless you're picking top 10 and even then - getting guys of that calibre - you don't often get the chance 

Pony up, get the man in and give Joe a big target he can throw to through hopefully his prime years - being these next 2 or 3 years

 

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2016 by kjbmore

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

I say stop splitting hairs over a few million. 

We skimped on Boldin and it bit us

Weve got a solid D, we're going to need to pay some guys but we can add to that group in the draft

If we bring in Pryor, we look to replace Wallace through the draft in the next couple years 

Yards wise pryor is sitting behind the top tier - jones, Hilton, evans Beckham, brown, cooper, on the year and he's doing that in Cleveland

unless you're picking top 10 and even then - getting guys of that calibre - you don't often get the chance 

Pony up, get the man in - look to replace Wallace in the draft, this year or next and give Joe a big target he can throw to through hopefully his prime years - being these next 2 or 3 years

We let Boldin go because we thought Torrey could be a number one, clearly wrong.  No one knew Pitta wouldnt be around for basically three years and that Rice would fall off the shelf.  Also, keep Boldin we never sign Doom

Giving Pryor 10 mill+ makes it a lot harder to pay our guys.  No idea what kind of cap situation we will have next year

Even with what i just said, i dont know how you can pay a guy that much money after seeing what he has done for just one season.  What if he is another Gordon/Blackmon? Yea he could be great, but thats a risk, you want to minimize risk as much as possible.  

Edited December 7, 2016 by usmccharles

[kjbmore]

how long as Flacco got, we don't know what's on the other side of that

lets give the man weapons and see if we can Super Bowls plural - AFC is ripe for a dynasty - Brady's nearly done, Carr and the raiders are the next best

ozzie knows how to fill out a roster on the cheap, let's roll the dice

weve been giving big money to guys like Webb & Monroe how's that worked out?

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Even with what i just said, i dont know how you can pay a guy that much money after seeing what he has done for just one season.  What if he is another Gordon/Blackmon? Yea he could be great, but thats a risk, you want to minimize risk as much as possible.  

They're totally different. 

Gordon came into the league because he was having issues in college that were getting him suspended. Blackmon was getting arrested before his first regular season game and then getting suspended by year two (which means he was failing a lot of drug tests as a rookie or prior to the start of the regular season of his rookie year).

Pryor had that incident at Ohio State for selling memorabilia, but since being in the league, he's been clean as a whistle over the course of five years.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

how long as Flacco got, we don't know what's on the other side of that

lets give the man weapons and see if we can Super Bowls plural - AFC is ripe for a dynasty - Brady's nearly done, Carr and the raiders are the next best

ozzie knows how to fill out a roster on the cheap, let's roll the dice

weve been giving big money to guys like Webb & Monroe how's that worked out?

Give Joe time and you see what he can do.  Teams who value WRs over the non-sexy picks go nowhere.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

They're totally different. 

Gordon came into the league because he was having issues in college that were getting him suspended. Blackmon was getting arrested before his first regular season game and then getting suspended by year two (which means he was failing a lot of drug tests as a rookie or prior to the start of the regular season of his rookie year).

Pryor had that incident at Ohio State for selling memorabilia, but since being in the league, he's been clean as a whistle over the course of five years.

Ah, wasnt Pryor in the supp draft? i couldnt remember why. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Ah, wasnt Pryor in the supp draft? i couldnt remember why. 

Probably for the scandal of selling memorabilia that caused him to be suspended for five collegiate games.

[kjbmore]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Give Joe time and you see what he can do.  Teams who value WRs over the non-sexy picks go nowhere.

Give him time???

to do what??

We're not waiting for him to develop - we know what we have and who he is

i don't want to waste anymore of his time - we just wasted the last 3 years 

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Give him time???

to do what??

We're not waiting for him to develop - we know what we have and who he is

i don't want to waste anymore of his time - we just wasted the last 3 years 

Time= Time in the pocket. Offensive Line. Blocking, etc....

[kjbmore]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Time= Time in the pocket. Offensive Line. Blocking, etc....

Yeah my bad, replied n then I got what you were saying

we had a stud guard and we let him walk 

somebody's going to get the money just going to be a question of who n how much

[usmccharles]

36 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Yeah my bad, replied n then I got what you were saying

we had a stud guard and we let him walk 

somebody's going to get the money just going to be a question of who n how much

And if you want to pay a guard 13mill a year,  good luck signing your 10+ mill wrs

[kjbmore]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

And if you want to pay a guard 13mill a year,  good luck signing your 10+ mill wrs

Well what do u want?? 

U want to pay the guys to give him the time or u want to pay the guys to throw it to??

[sibelius]

This is a year I'd like to see the Ravens use every cent to retain our guys long term. We've been drafting and developing extremely well and have enough veterans that I don't really see us going after starters in FA. 

[January J]

10 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, but Pyror also has the choice to leave, which to many it might sound better playing in say LA/Miami/NO @7 a year than Cleveland @ 10 a year.  Just a thought.  

Im torn in this kind of situation, as crappy as we are at drafting WRs, id almost rather sign a guy and pay him so we know what we are getting, but that doesnt normally work too well.  Especially at that kind of money.  Pyror i think with the right qb will be a consistent guy, but will he have off the field issues? I dont think paying a WR that kind of money (10+mill) ever really works out, id rather build my team from the inside (trenches) to the outside

I know money can certainly change things but Pryor is on record saying he is definitely staying in Cleveland for the long haul and wants to be part of the rebuilding process. Who knows. If we have another draft like this years we will be in good shape. Hopefully we come away with a corner, a Wr, a center and pass rushers are always a priority. Just don't forget we still don't know what we have in Kafusi and hopefully KC will come along. I think all we need through FA is a serviceable WR who won't break the bank. I'd have to take a look at  the list of upcoming FAs to make a guess at who we'd be interested in.

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, kjbmore said:

Well what do u want?? 

U want to pay the guys to give him the time or u want to pay the guys to throw it to??

Right player, right price.  If we were the raiders were we had 60mill in cap space then sure why not.  If we would of kept KO that means no Weddle and no Wallace.  When Stanley has played, our line looks decent and will continue to develop.  Not too many people here were aboard giving KO 13mill, because look at the holes it creates elsewhere.  Next year I expect our line to look even better.  You have to use context when talking about things, its like saying why didn't you buy a Ferrari as your first car...because you didn't have the money, obviously. 

15 minutes ago, January J said:

I know money can certainly change things but Pryor is on record saying he is definitely staying in Cleveland for the long haul and wants to be part of the rebuilding process. Who knows. If we have another draft like this years we will be in good shape. Hopefully we come away with a corner, a Wr, a center and pass rushers are always a priority. Just don't forget we still don't know what we have in Kafusi and hopefully KC will come along. I think all we need through FA is a serviceable WR who won't break the bank. I'd have to take a look at  the list of upcoming FAs to make a guess at who we'd be interested in.

Ah, I wasn't aware he was on record saying that, then I guess that settles that. 

Last year I was trying to predict that Garcon was going to be cut but I was wrong, obviously, he is a FA this year. 

Aiken will be a FA and sportrac apparently has a Market Value calculator, don't know how long that's been around, has aiken at 6.5mill

Michael Floyd

Robert Woods

Brandon Lafell

Desean Jackson, but I think we all agree he wont fit in here

There isn't too many WRs that look like they bring instant production in FA right now, most likely have to wait for some veteran cuts

 

[VermontRaven]

14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Right player, right price.  If we were the raiders were we had 60mill in cap space then sure why not.  If we would of kept KO that means no Weddle and no Wallace.  When Stanley has played, our line looks decent and will continue to develop.  Not too many people here were aboard giving KO 13mill, because look at the holes it creates elsewhere.  Next year I expect our line to look even better.  You have to use context when talking about things, its like saying why didn't you buy a Ferrari as your first car...because you didn't have the money, obviously. 

Well said.  KO was a great player for us, but I definitely think the Ravens made the right decision there, despite the struggles we've had on the line.  I certainly don't want to think about our defense without Weddle or our offense without Wallace.  Similar decisions coming up with Williams and Wagner.  It all depends on how much it takes to retain them. I really like both players, but with the salary cap, you can't overpay everywhere or you will be in rough shape.

[Deflated Football]

I'd rather use our cap to retain the likes of B-Will, Guy, Levine, Juice and Wagner, and if JuJu is sitting there at 32, we take him to pair him up with Breshad if Sr. retires, then see what Nick Perry wants annually. 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Well said.  KO was a great player for us, but I definitely think the Ravens made the right decision there, despite the struggles we've had on the line.  I certainly don't want to think about our defense without Weddle or our offense without Wallace.  Similar decisions coming up with Williams and Wagner.  It all depends on how much it takes to retain them. I really like both players, but with the salary cap, you can't overpay everywhere or you will be in rough shape.

What made KO so great for us is the value we got for him, his cost/production is what made it so great but at some point that player needs to get paid and it just isn't worth it sometimes.  Now, maybe if we would of seen KO at LT for a full season, then you could make the argument that we keep KO, and go another route with our 6th pick, still missing out on weddle and Wallace though.  I like the route we took

1 minute ago, Deflated Football said:

I'd rather use our cap to retain the likes of B-Will, Guy, Levine, Juice and Wagner, and if JuJu is sitting there at 32, we take him to pair him up with Breshad if Sr. retires, then see what Nick Perry wants annually. 

I definitely want to retain our DL

[rmw10]

It's a tough group of FAs this year.  A couple of big names, but also some important role players

The big names:
Rick Wagner
Brandon Williams

Obviously I think we'd like to retain both of these guys, but with Wagner's recent surge, it may be very difficult to keep both, especially with the guys in the next tier.  I'd expect one of these guys to re-sign, but couldn't tell you which one.  I love Williams, but if I had to pick, it'd be nice to have some consistency on the OL.

The next tier:
Kamar Aiken
Lawrence Guy
Kyle Juszczyk
Jerraud Powers

These are also all guys I'd think we'd like to retain, but it's not the end of the world if we don't.  Out of anyone on this list, I'd prioritize Guy.  I don't see any being overly expensive to hang onto, but there's a good chance that they could get a decent offer elsewhere.  Juice and Guy would be my guesses to stay here.

Take it or leave it:
Vladimir Ducasse
Matt Elam
Anthony Levine
Chris Lewis-Harris
Ryan Mallett

None of these guys are priorities, but I'd expect some interest in retaining them.  No one here should command much money at all.  I think Mallett is likely to go elsewhere in hopes of finding a competition for a starting job.  Levine has always seemed to be a piece we really like, but they just aren't using him.  I'd give Elam a 1 year prove it deal.  Ducasse and Lewis-Harris aren't bad depth options.

Gone:
Devin Hester

This was always a 1 year deal for him.

 

Overall, it's a tough year because I only view us as having 1 guy that we would have no interest in retaining.  Obviously, some of these guys will likely walk and no one will bat an eye, but I still think there's going to at least be a little bit of interest in keeping nearly all of our FAs.

[VermontRaven]

24 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's a tough group of FAs this year.  A couple of big names, but also some important role players

The big names:
Rick Wagner
Brandon Williams

Obviously I think we'd like to retain both of these guys, but with Wagner's recent surge, it may be very difficult to keep both, especially with the guys in the next tier.  I'd expect one of these guys to re-sign, but couldn't tell you which one.  I love Williams, but if I had to pick, it'd be nice to have some consistency on the OL.

The next tier:
Kamar Aiken
Lawrence Guy
Kyle Juszczyk
Jerraud Powers

These are also all guys I'd think we'd like to retain, but it's not the end of the world if we don't.  Out of anyone on this list, I'd prioritize Guy.  I don't see any being overly expensive to hang onto, but there's a good chance that they could get a decent offer elsewhere.  Juice and Guy would be my guesses to stay here.

Take it or leave it:
Vladimir Ducasse
Matt Elam
Anthony Levine
Chris Lewis-Harris
Ryan Mallett

None of these guys are priorities, but I'd expect some interest in retaining them.  No one here should command much money at all.  I think Mallett is likely to go elsewhere in hopes of finding a competition for a starting job.  Levine has always seemed to be a piece we really like, but they just aren't using him.  I'd give Elam a 1 year prove it deal.  Ducasse and Lewis-Harris aren't bad depth options.

Gone:
Devin Hester

This was always a 1 year deal for him.

 

Overall, it's a tough year because I only view us as having 1 guy that we would have no interest in retaining.  Obviously, some of these guys will likely walk and no one will bat an eye, but I still think there's going to at least be a little bit of interest in keeping nearly all of our FAs.

Great breakdown @rmw10 

"Big Names"  I agree with you here.  I'm hoping we can retain Wagner at a respectable price as well.  I think that would have a big positive effect on our O-line.  Stanley at LT, Lewis at LG, Center still a ???, Yanda back at RG, and Wagner at RT.  Plus, I think it can't be understated that Lewis is a nice option as a backup swing tackle.  Williams I love, but I think we are much more capable of filling that gap.

"Next tier"  Pretty much agree with your thoughts here too. Guy is definitely at the top of my list here.  He has been great for us!  Powers and Aiken would be the next priorities for me.  Assuming SSS retires, Aiken at least gives us a known option at WR.  Powers has been a respectable, not great nickel corner for us...as Ozzie says, you can never have enough CBs.  Juice is another solid guy that I can't see being too expensive, since fullbacks just don't get paid much in today's NFL.

"Take it or leave it"  Completely agree.  If the price is right on all of these guys, they are solid depth options.  If the price isn't right, none of them is a huge loss.

Gone--Agree, Hester is gone.  Hoping Reynolds will be ready to go next year, at least as a returner.

 

[January J]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Right player, right price.  If we were the raiders were we had 60mill in cap space then sure why not.  If we would of kept KO that means no Weddle and no Wallace.  When Stanley has played, our line looks decent and will continue to develop.  Not too many people here were aboard giving KO 13mill, because look at the holes it creates elsewhere.  Next year I expect our line to look even better.  You have to use context when talking about things, its like saying why didn't you buy a Ferrari as your first car...because you didn't have the money, obviously. 

Ah, I wasn't aware he was on record saying that, then I guess that settles that. 

Last year I was trying to predict that Garcon was going to be cut but I was wrong, obviously, he is a FA this year. 

Aiken will be a FA and sportrac apparently has a Market Value calculator, don't know how long that's been around, has aiken at 6.5mill

Michael Floyd

Robert Woods

Brandon Lafell

Desean Jackson, but I think we all agree he wont fit in here

There isn't too many WRs that look like they bring instant production in FA right now, most likely have to wait for some veteran cuts

 

6.5 mil sounds way too steep for Aiken...don't you think?  I was thinking we would offer somewhere between 2.5 - 3.7...I guess some WR needy team with cap space galore could offer more but I don't see him making more than 5 a year anywhere. 

Edited December 7, 2016 by January J