Free Agency 2017 (Players from Other Teams We Should Consider)

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

30 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Steve Smith, Anquan Boldin, and Derrick Mason(sure I'm missing someone) have been veteran guys we have signed in FA in the past(or in Q's case, traded for) and to me I think much like Smith if this is true, we'll push hard for Brandon Marshall if the Jets release him. What do you guys think of the idea of Marshall being our next veteran?

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/353613/jets-to-cut-brandon-marshall-this-offseason?ls=roto:NYJ:topheadlines

One of my suggestions. 

I think trade is the way to go. I just can't justify paying market value for 2nd rate players. We need a difference maker. 

So I think you have to go the trade route and target anupper tier guy in the middle of a deal that got paid market value a couple years go... that way you can spread 3 years of today's market value over 5 years on an extension. I don't want to pay Britt $40-50m over 5 years, but I'd extend Marshall for 3 yrs $30m and spread it over 4 years (including his current deal). 

Enunwa emerged and they don't have a QB so I can't see them paying 3 WRs, and if they can recoup some draft capital by moving Marshall I think they'd be inclined to do so. 

 

Victor Cruz and Brandin Cooks may be others guy in this mold of trade. 

 

but I think Marshall makes the most sense in terms of what we're looking for. Financially, skill set, physically, and in terms of current team situation (likely to be traded and leverage for trade value).

[usmccharles]

40 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Steve Smith, Anquan Boldin, and Derrick Mason(sure I'm missing someone) have been veteran guys we have signed in FA in the past(or in Q's case, traded for) and to me I think much like Smith if this is true, we'll push hard for Brandon Marshall if the Jets release him. What do you guys think of the idea of Marshall being our next veteran?

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/353613/jets-to-cut-brandon-marshall-this-offseason?ls=roto:NYJ:topheadlines

I could definitely see us going after him, which would definitely (imo) mean we cut Wallace either to bring him back cheaper or sign another WR ie Wright or Woods, dont think we could afford Britt if we got marshal. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I could definitely see us going after him, which would definitely (imo) mean we cut Wallace either to bring him back cheaper or sign another WR ie Wright or Woods, dont think we could afford Britt if we got marshal. 

Id almost prefer to trade for Marshall than let the Jets cut him to avoid a bidding war in a light WR market. 

If the Jets plan to just cut him anyways it prob wouldn't take much in terms of picks and that gives you a year to exclusively deal with him and sign him to an extension. 

The risk of another down year and another year older when hitting FA again could motivate him to sign a slightly more friendly deal with us in a trade scenario. 

Obviously you'd want the extension in place before agreeing the trade... but he probably becomes the #3 WR on the market if you let the Jets cut him. 

Extend his current deal to 3 yrs, and make it incentive laden. 

Edited January 18 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Id almost prefer to trade for Marshall than let the Jets cut him to avoid a bidding war in a light WR market. 

 

Literally just texted the exact same thing to my friend

Edited January 18 by usmccharles

[PurpleCity5]

16 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Id almost prefer to trade for Marshall than let the Jets cut him to avoid a bidding war in a light WR market. 

If the Jets plan to just cut him anyways it prob wouldn't take much in terms of picks and that gives you a year to exclusively deal with him and sign him to an extension. 

The risk of another down year and another year older when hitting FA again could motivate him to sign a slightly more friendly deal with us in a trade scenario. 

Obviously you'd want the extension in place before agreeing the trade... but he probably becomes the #3 WR on the market if you let the Jets cut him. 

Extend his current deal to 3 yrs, and make it incentive laden. 

My problem with Marshall is the fact that how does a guy that talented who produces that much becomes a rental player? It doesn't make sense to me, to be honest with you it's probably a locker room issue and a big one for him to continually find team after team. That said, same can be said for Steve Smith but he played for one team before coming here, Marshall keeps bouncing around but the question is why? I don't know what type of interest we would have. 

[usmccharles]

24 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

My problem with Marshall is the fact that how does a guy that talented who produces that much becomes a rental player? It doesn't make sense to me, to be honest with you it's probably a locker room issue and a big one for him to continually find team after team. That said, same can be said for Steve Smith but he played for one team before coming here, Marshall keeps bouncing around but the question is why? I don't know what type of interest we would have. 

I think it has something to do with teams wanting to get younger so they move on from veterans. 

The Denver time someone else will have to speak up about because I don't remember. 

Miami he had that issue where he apparently stabbed himself and had some mental issues, not ideal, but apparently has gotten the help needed. 

Chicago he had two phenomenal years and then had a down year, they also had Jeffrey, so time to move on and get younger. 

NYJ he had a great year then a year followed by garbage qb play, with a new WR stepping up, his price tag isn't worth it to them. 

[jboy19]

2 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

My problem with Marshall is the fact that how does a guy that talented who produces that much becomes a rental player? It doesn't make sense to me, to be honest with you it's probably a locker room issue and a big one for him to continually find team after team. That said, same can be said for Steve Smith but he played for one team before coming here, Marshall keeps bouncing around but the question is why? I don't know what type of interest we would have. 

Yeah. He's just been one of those guys who has had controversy follow him everywhere. 

[ravensnj]

Browns could possible cut Joe Haden. What a free agent pick up that would be! I would get rid of Webb, Weddle, and Watson to acquire him.

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/17/2017 at 10:44 AM, JO_75 said:

A new report suggests Eagles may move on from starting Center Jason Kelce. That's a move I like to see done to improve the OL. Huge upgrade over Zuttah and he's only 29. 

Why would they move on from Kelce?

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Browns could possible cut Joe Haden. What a free agent pick up that would be! I would get rid of Webb, Weddle, and Watson to acquire him.

No idea why you'd want to get rid of Webb and Weddle....

[usmccharles]

19 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Browns could possible cut Joe Haden. What a free agent pick up that would be! I would get rid of Webb, Weddle, and Watson to acquire him.

Well great, then we have zero safeties, sounds like a great idea. 

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No idea why you'd want to get rid of Webb and Weddle....

I am assuming he means to make room for money, regardless, terrible idea

[rossihunter2]

21 hours ago, JO_75 said:

Steve Smith, Anquan Boldin, and Derrick Mason(sure I'm missing someone) have been veteran guys we have signed in FA in the past(or in Q's case, traded for) and to me I think much like Smith if this is true, we'll push hard for Brandon Marshall if the Jets release him. What do you guys think of the idea of Marshall being our next veteran?

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/353613/jets-to-cut-brandon-marshall-this-offseason?ls=roto:NYJ:topheadlines

Am I missing something? Why would the jets cut him? Unlike some of his other stops he's been almost surprisingly good for the team - outspoken yes, but supportive more than anything...

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Why would they move on from Kelce?

He hasn't been playing well for a couple of years now - it's why I don't think we'd want him either

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No idea why you'd want to get rid of Webb and Weddle....

Not to mention haden isn't playing so well at the moment 

[Deflated Football]

22 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I could definitely see us going after him, which would definitely (imo) mean we cut Wallace either to bring him back cheaper or sign another WR ie Wright or Woods, dont think we could afford Britt if we got marshal. 

I wouldn't be down with that. I like Wallace's speed and him and Breshad will be lethal with Marshall in the mix. I see no reason why we couldn't have both.

[JO_75]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Am I missing something? Why would the jets cut him? Unlike some of his other stops he's been almost surprisingly good for the team - outspoken yes, but supportive more than anything...

Marshall is owed $7.5m and is not willing to take a pay cut. None of his salary is guaranteed so the Jets will likely release him. Even though it's interesting that Marshall said that at $7.5M he is "underpaid". He is 33, so it's a few years younger than the usual veteran WRs we sign so we can get more out of him for a longer period but if he feels underpaid, sounds he would chase money if released.

[jboy19]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Why would they move on from Kelce?

Because he is paid more and plays worse than Zuttah

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Why would they move on from Kelce?

Bc he's been absolutely terrible for them the past 2-3 years. 

Too small and just gets man handled at the point of attack. 

In a pure stretch zone type scheme I'm sure he could still be a decent player... but he's still a liability in pass protection. 

And definitely not an answer here once he is cut. Exact same issues we have with Zuttah just arguably worse. (Not necessarily worse player just weaker in the weaknesses we hate in Zuttah.)

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

I wouldn't be down with that. I like Wallace's speed and him and Breshad will be lethal with Marshall in the mix. I see no reason why we couldn't have both.

Pairing Marshall with Wright or Britt?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

50 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Marshall is owed $7.5m and is not willing to take a pay cut. None of his salary is guaranteed so the Jets will likely release him. Even though it's interesting that Marshall said that at $7.5M he is "underpaid". He is 33, so it's a few years younger than the usual veteran WRs we sign so we can get more out of him for a longer period but if he feels underpaid, sounds he would chase money if released.

He just said he'd take a pay cut to stay in NY. Not sure where you're getting the underpaid and refusing a pay cut thing. Exact opposite of what's being reported. 

And pretty sure he's 32... turning 33 in march or April. 

From his comments to me it sounds like he wants to win and be a part of a well run organization in a leadership/mentor position. 

[usmccharles]

11 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Bc he's been absolutely terrible for them the past 2-3 years.

Im dumb

Edited January 19 by usmccharles

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

I wouldn't be down with that. I like Wallace's speed and him and Breshad will be lethal with Marshall in the mix. I see no reason why we couldn't have both.

Agreed Wallace isn't going anywhere. 

I think we really underrate the year he had. 

21st in receiving yards though only 1 guy ahead of him did so on less targets. 

He was near top 10 in yards after catch. 

His 1st down % was very good. 

His catch rate was also among the best of high volume guys. He made the most of the targets he got. 

We'd have to pay probably double what we're paying him now just to get near equal production on the open market. 

 

Now i I don't envision in a best case scenario him having quite as high volume as he had this year... but his efficiency was great. 

With a full offseason I have high hopes for Perriman to make a big leap. If Camp can stay healthy I see a nice role for him. He showed his play making ability every time he touched the ball. 

 

I dont Want to overthink things. It's next to impossible to replace what Wallace did for us for that price. Makes no sense to cut him. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

3 years, didnt miss a single game

862yards 5TDs

875yards 5TDs

1125yards 4TDs

Sign me up

Dude. Wrong Kelce. 

This is his brother Jason, the center on the Eagles. 

[usmccharles]

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Dude. Wrong Kelce. 

This is his brother Jason, the center on the Eagles. 

hahahhahaha, i was like....what the hell, i just woke up. My Bad

[allblackraven]

10 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

3 years, didnt miss a single game

862yards 5TDs

875yards 5TDs

1125yards 4TDs

Sign me up

Benefits of the undersized center

 

[usmccharles]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Benefits of the undersized center

 

Ill prolly never live this down

Edited January 19 by usmccharles

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'd sacrifice myself willingly for the other Kelce. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Am I missing something? Why would the jets cut him? Unlike some of his other stops he's been almost surprisingly good for the team - outspoken yes, but supportive more than anything...

Due $7.5m they can save. 

He and the defense were at odds quite a few times leading to wars of words in the media. Marshall seemed to take the high road but it still split the locker room. 

They're paying Decker already and Enunwa had a break out year.... and they don't have any semblance of a QB. Doesn't make sense to pay a guy $7.5m for one year when you're not gonna win anything in that year. 

So trade him or cut him and spend that $7.5m filling in other holes and maybe trying to lock up Enunwa who figures to be a part of their offense going forward. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

hahahhahaha, i was like....what the hell, i just woke up. My Bad

Haha all good man. 

When you posted yardage and TDs at first I was like.... wait is he giving the Eagles rushing or passing stats to the center?? Wait was the eagles offense THAT bad?!?

Then I realized.... oh - he thinks is TRAVIS Kelce. 

No wonder he thought it was crazy to say he sucked - he was just the best TE in the league by far this year. 

 

 

Problem with his brother, the center, is that he's built and moves like a big TE. Wouldn't work with the big nasty DTs in the AFCN. 

Maybe they should try him out at TE though?? You might be on to something. 

[ellicottraven]

I say we target Marshall if he is released by the Jets. He'll be the perfect stop gap WR and will make a good receiving corps with Wallace while Perriman continues to develop. Marshall is also the type of receiver that'll overcome some of Flacco's inaccurate throws and make tough catches and help Flacco out.