Free Agency 2017 (Players from Other Teams We Should Consider)

[Ravensfan23]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

There is no way i would feel comfortable paying Britt that much.  Im not sure how good of a route runner he is, maybe someone can speak to that.  He is a physical freak for sure and i definitely would want to bring him in, i just have no idea what his cost is going to be.  Lets just hope he doesnt go to NE.  Him and Garcon are my two guys and if they are going to cost about the same, i like the upside of Britt, but his injury past does concern me, i know he has only missed one game in 3 years. 

I would also really like to bring in Cordelle Patterson as a return specialist, like how we used jacoby.  We need that playmaker back there and for some reason, maybe i didnt notice, i dont think Moore got any shots back there

It may not be Britt, but you are going to have to start investing money into the WR corp. The Ravens don't draft at that position well enough to just rely on young guys and you can't continue to continue on 1-3 year options with vets on the back 9 of their career. 

Britt runs routes well enough. If you want a great route runner that's gonna make everything look pretty than Garcon and Woods on a lower level are the way to go imo. Britt isn't a pretty route runner but he's more than effective. Fact is, most big WRs aren't great route runners, you just won't find many. I watched Julio today and I didn't come away marveling at his route running, he's just a physical freak that is hard to match up with and that's how Britt is. No where near Julio's level before anyone thinks that what I'm saying. I'm just saying that guys like Brandon Marshall, T.O, Mike Irvin, Dez Bryant etc these aren't your pretty route runners. These are your i'm physically better than you and know how to use my body when need be. For what the Ravens want to do, Britt runs routes well enough and has improved his explosiveness each year since getting back fully from that knee injury. He's a big bodied guy that gets between defender and the ball with plus hands. That's what the Ravens need. Don't know if they'd be willing to pay him 10M, I'm think more around the 9M range but with inflated contract numbers for WR coming over the next few years, Britt will probably end up being a bargain for some team as a high level #2 type. 

As far as Patterson, what does he offer as a WR. I don't think Harbs or Ozzie for that matter, who to pay a RS only. I think they'd rather allow guys like Moore, Camp, Reynolds and maybe even Kenny Bell fight it out

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

It may not be Britt, but you are going to have to start investing money into the WR corp. The Ravens don't draft at that position well enough to just rely on young guys and you can't continue to continue on 1-3 year options with vets on the back 9 of their career. 

Britt runs routes well enough. If you want a great route runner that's gonna make everything look pretty than Garcon and Woods on a lower level are the way to go imo. Britt isn't a pretty route runner but he's more than effective. Fact is, most big WRs aren't great route runners, you just won't find many. I watched Julio today and I didn't come away marveling at his route running, he's just a physical freak that is hard to match up with and that's how Britt is. No where near Julio's level before anyone thinks that what I'm saying. I'm just saying that guys like Brandon Marshall, T.O, Mike Irvin, Dez Bryant etc these aren't your pretty route runners. These are your i'm physically better than you and know how to use my body when need be. For what the Ravens want to do, Britt runs routes well enough and has improved his explosiveness each year since getting back fully from that knee injury. He's a big bodied guy that gets between defender and the ball with plus hands. That's what the Ravens need. Don't know if they'd be willing to pay him 10M, I'm think more around the 9M range but with inflated contract numbers for WR coming over the next few years, Britt will probably end up being a bargain for some team as a high level #2 type. 

As far as Patterson, what does he offer as a WR. I don't think Harbs or Ozzie for that matter, who to pay a RS only. I think they'd rather allow guys like Moore, Camp, Reynolds and maybe even Kenny Bell fight it out

Yea i know Britt is the physical beast, i would just feel better if we had that reliable guy, because of right now i dont think we have one.  Ive been all about bringing him in, i just dont know the market value for him. 

As for as the RS, i think thats an area we lack.  Look at the different Jacoby made, he caught 37, 30, 9 passes in his three years here.  Having that great field position or even the chance of a returned TD is huge and we dont have that right now.  Did we even have a speacial teams return for a TD?  Obviously it would be a cheap deal but i think the upside is worth it.  Just sick of seeing ST lacking a play maker

[Ravensfan23]

18 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea i know Britt is the physical beast, i would just feel better if we had that reliable guy, because of right now i dont think we have one.  Ive been all about bringing him in, i just dont know the market value for him. 

As for as the RS, i think thats an area we lack.  Look at the different Jacoby made, he caught 37, 30, 9 passes in his three years here.  Having that great field position or even the chance of a returned TD is huge and we dont have that right now.  Did we even have a speacial teams return for a TD?  Obviously it would be a cheap deal but i think the upside is worth it.  Just sick of seeing ST lacking a play maker

That's the thing about Britt he has been a reliable guy. Over the past 3 seasons he's recorded 152rec and 109 of those have gone for first downs. That's 71% of his receptions going for first downs. By comparison Sr, has 197rec and 112 went for first downs. That's 56% over the same time frame. Now of course I'm not saying he's as good as Sr, especially considering SSS missed like 9 games last year. I think what drives his value up is that he's only 28 and when healthy he's proven to be a really good talent. Some team might think they could get #1 type production out of him but I think he's a #2 that can consistently move the chains and also stretch the field which is exactly what the Ravens said they wanted. Also I think he may give the Ravens that Boldin feel. 

With the RS, Dragonfly was the #3 WR for 2 of those years and expected to be the #2 guy his final year before getting hurt. Right now I don't think Patterson even sniffs the field at WR right now and I don't even think the WR group is that impressive as it stands right now. I'd love the move if it were cheap but I think that money needs to go else where right now. 

[GrimCoconut]

@Ravensfan23I'm sorry but maybe I misunderstood you here but there's no way I'd be happy if we paid Britt $8m/Year let alone $10m. I'd sooner go after Garçon who will cost less than that or others. I like Britt too but not for that price.

[Steve0x]

Ravens need 2 Major stars in order get back in winning form again. Like why not sign free agent running back Reggie Bush and sign free agent defensive lineman Domata Peko? and then they can win again

[Deflated Football]

All I know is we're going to have two of the highest paid WR's in the division after Brown signs an extension. Please just get a playmaker Ozzie. We need a playmaking number one, wether that's in the draft, free agency or via trade. It's imperative. 

[Steve0x]

Just now, Deflated Football said:

All I know is we're going to have two of the highest paid WR's in the division after Brown signs an extension. Please just get a playmaker Ozzie. We need a playmaking number one, wether that's in the draft, free agency or via trade. It's imperative. 

We need an solid defense and an high scoring offense.  

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

Ravens need 2 Major stars in order get back in winning form again. Like why not sign free agent running back Reggie Bush and sign free agent defensive lineman Domata Peko? and then they can win again

The same Reggie Bush that set a record with -3 rushing yards on the entire season?  Wow, I've really been misinformed on what a star is.

[K-Dog]

47 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

We need an solid defense and an high scoring offense.  

That is a GREAT idea.

I think it just might be the key to success. 

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

@Ravensfan23I'm sorry but maybe I misunderstood you here but there's no way I'd be happy if we paid Britt $8m/Year let alone $10m. I'd sooner go after Garçon who will cost less than that or others. I like Britt too but not for that price.

Nope you didn't misunderstand. I'd certainly give Britt 8M per. Was definitely overstating with the 10M. Not sure many are giving much thought to where the WR market is heading. There is no way Garcon gets less than 9.5M imo. 

Tavon Austin just got 10.5M. Allen Hurns just got 10.1M. Crabtree just got 8.5M, coming off a poor injury filled season BMarshall was given 8.6, Marvin Jones who's never had a 1,000 yard season and missed the entire 2014 season, was given 8M. Torrey got 8M, Garcon is currently making 8.5M and coming off a successful run with the Redskins, no way he signs for less than what he made last year at only 30 years old. 

The Ravens gave Mike Wallace 5.7M and he was coming off a 39rec 473yds 2TD season. Can you imagine what guys like AB, Jordan Matthews, D. Adams, D. Hopkins, Landry, Allen Robinson and other will get next year? 8Mil for a guy like Britt with the type of production he can put up in this offense will be a bargin imo. That would put him in the 25th highest ranked WR and after next year that contract will drop him down to about 35th with the WRs in line for big pay days next year. The WR market is about to explode. I'd love Garcon I just think he'll be a WR who gets 9.5-11M on the open market. Ravens can't afford that imo. More than likely you are right and the Ravens won't offer him anything close to 8M but i think he'll definitely get that somewhere and I wouldn't have issue paying him here. He and Perriman would make a nice 1-2 punch for another 4-5 years imo. 

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

We need an solid defense and an high scoring offense.  

I like how you think outside the box Steve

[GrimCoconut]

42 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Nope you didn't misunderstand. I'd certainly give Britt 8M per. Was definitely overstating with the 10M. Not sure many are giving much thought to where the WR market is heading. There is no way Garcon gets less than 9.5M imo. 

Tavon Austin just got 10.5M. Allen Hurns just got 10.1M. Crabtree just got 8.5M, coming off a poor injury filled season BMarshall was given 8.6, Marvin Jones who's never had a 1,000 yard season and missed the entire 2014 season, was given 8M. Torrey got 8M, Garcon is currently making 8.5M and coming off a successful run with the Redskins, no way he signs for less than what he made last year at only 30 years old. 

The Ravens gave Mike Wallace 5.7M and he was coming off a 39rec 473yds 2TD season. Can you imagine what guys like AB, Jordan Matthews, D. Adams, D. Hopkins, Landry, Allen Robinson and other will get next year? 8Mil for a guy like Britt with the type of production he can put up in this offense will be a bargin imo. That would put him in the 25th highest ranked WR and after next year that contract will drop him down to about 35th with the WRs in line for big pay days next year. The WR market is about to explode. I'd love Garcon I just think he'll be a WR who gets 9.5-11M on the open market. Ravens can't afford that imo. More than likely you are right and the Ravens won't offer him anything close to 8M but i think he'll definitely get that somewhere and I wouldn't have issue paying him here. He and Perriman would make a nice 1-2 punch for another 4-5 years imo. 

I didn't know Austin or Hurns even got extensions so I am stunned by their price tags and in that case you could very well be 100% right but this just shows me we need to do better at scouting these guys in the draft. Wow.

[allblackraven]

48 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Nope you didn't misunderstand. I'd certainly give Britt 8M per. Was definitely overstating with the 10M. Not sure many are giving much thought to where the WR market is heading. There is no way Garcon gets less than 9.5M imo. 

Tavon Austin just got 10.5M. Allen Hurns just got 10.1M. Crabtree just got 8.5M, coming off a poor injury filled season BMarshall was given 8.6, Marvin Jones who's never had a 1,000 yard season and missed the entire 2014 season, was given 8M. Torrey got 8M, Garcon is currently making 8.5M and coming off a successful run with the Redskins, no way he signs for less than what he made last year at only 30 years old. 

The Ravens gave Mike Wallace 5.7M and he was coming off a 39rec 473yds 2TD season. Can you imagine what guys like AB, Jordan Matthews, D. Adams, D. Hopkins, Landry, Allen Robinson and other will get next year? 8Mil for a guy like Britt with the type of production he can put up in this offense will be a bargin imo. That would put him in the 25th highest ranked WR and after next year that contract will drop him down to about 35th with the WRs in line for big pay days next year. The WR market is about to explode. I'd love Garcon I just think he'll be a WR who gets 9.5-11M on the open market. Ravens can't afford that imo. More than likely you are right and the Ravens won't offer him anything close to 8M but i think he'll definitely get that somewhere and I wouldn't have issue paying him here. He and Perriman would make a nice 1-2 punch for another 4-5 years imo. 

The problem for us is that it's not just WRs and corners getting paid - everybody will pocket much more than most of the board thinks. I doubt we'd be able to upgrade several positions with quality guys for modest price. We'll have to choose one, maybe two.

[Ravensfan23]

31 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

That is a GREAT idea.

I think it just might be the key to success. 

I think that's definitely the key. Build this offense around some young talent that can take over games and score often. Then build a defense that can just hold a lead. The NFL isn't built for 14-10 games anymore. No matter how strong you are defensively teams are going to move the ball and score on you. Just look at the playoffs thus far. The Seahawks and Texans are probably 2 of if not the top 2 defenses in the playoffs. ATL absolutely shredded SEA and as well as the Texans played defensively the Pats eventually cracked that code. Just look at both the Ravens and Steelers games. In today's NFL eventually the better offenses will get the best of the better defenses. I think the best defense is a good offense and that pains me as a defensive guy. 

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Ravens need 2 Major stars in order get back in winning form again. Like why not sign free agent running back Reggie Bush and sign free agent defensive lineman Domata Peko? and then they can win again

Well for all its worth, I wouldn't mind signing Peko. Especially if you lose B.Williams or Guy

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Ravens need 2 Major stars in order get back in winning form again. Like why not sign free agent running back Reggie Bush and sign free agent defensive lineman Domata Peko? and then they can win again

You do realize that i finished with more rushing yards this season than reggie bush dont you? 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

You do realize that i finished with more rushing yards this season than reggie bush dont you? 

So did I..... with a broken knee

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

So did I..... with a broken knee

Me too, and I'm dead 

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

So did I..... with a broken knee

Me too, sitting on a chair all day long

[usmccharles]

11 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

So did I..... with a broken knee

 

9 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Me too, and I'm dead 

 

9 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Me too, sitting on a chair all day long

Im sure glad fans......

[Cillmatic]

2 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Ravens need 2 Major stars in order get back in winning form again. Like why not sign free agent running back Reggie Bush and sign free agent defensive lineman Domata Peko? and then they can win again

Bush is washed.

[Ravensfan23]

8 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I didn't know Austin or Hurns even got extensions so I am stunned by their price tags and in that case you could very well be 100% right but this just shows me we need to do better at scouting these guys in the draft. Wow.

Yea we definitely gotta do better. The college game and NFL game is so similar now there is no reason not to have a really good young WR or two. That goes for TE as well. I like the take that the Ravens went Perriman and Maxx back to back last year with Stanley this year. Those guy gotta step up now and the Ravens can't go into a shell drafting offensive guys. If a guy like Courtland Sutton makes his way to the Ravens in the 2nd round need to pull the trigger instead of trading down to get more picks and selecting a guy like Jaleel Johnson who might be a really good defensive lineman but wouldn't improve this team more than a play maker would. 

[Ravensfan23]

49 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

The problem for us is that it's not just WRs and corners getting paid - everybody will pocket much more than most of the board thinks. I doubt we'd be able to upgrade several positions with quality guys for modest price. We'll have to choose one, maybe two.

I've said before that the Ravens are actually in a pretty good position imo. I say that because they no longer have a surplus of bad contracts that can't be touched. Guys like Pitta, Doom, Zuttah, and others can be cut without a ton of dead money involved. I'd put ways with all those guys with the exception of Webb and Sizzle, then put myself in a position to play in FA if a see a guy worth going after. 

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Nope you didn't misunderstand. I'd certainly give Britt 8M per. Was definitely overstating with the 10M. Not sure many are giving much thought to where the WR market is heading. There is no way Garcon gets less than 9.5M imo. 

Tavon Austin just got 10.5M. Allen Hurns just got 10.1M. Crabtree just got 8.5M, coming off a poor injury filled season BMarshall was given 8.6, Marvin Jones who's never had a 1,000 yard season and missed the entire 2014 season, was given 8M. Torrey got 8M, Garcon is currently making 8.5M and coming off a successful run with the Redskins, no way he signs for less than what he made last year at only 30 years old. 

 

I like Kenny Britt and at $8M it's hard to say no, with that said I would have the expectation that he would start, wouldn't shock me if this team moved on from Mike Wallace because of it. 

Marvin Jones got $7M per year so Britt at $8M is fine with me. Not to mention he's a pretty damn good player, he played in an nightmare offense with an awful QB situation. He could do a lot here. Again though, I wonder what that would mean for Mike Wallace, I think the Ravens would relieve Wallace and go after a slot WR with Perriman being relied upon to step up either as #1 or #2. 

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/12/2017 at 4:44 PM, ellicottraven said:

Not happening for a RB period at least not for Bell. peterson in his prime maybe, but Bell isn't Peterson in his prime.

Bell certainly isn't the runner that Peterson was (well, they're different), but Bell is vastly more dynamic and one of the most dangerous weapons in the NFL. I'd give up a first.

[Ravensfan23]

25 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I like Kenny Britt and at $8M it's hard to say no, with that said I would have the expectation that he would start, wouldn't shock me if this team moved on from Mike Wallace because of it. 

Marvin Jones got $7M per year so Britt at $8M is fine with me. Not to mention he's a pretty damn good player, he played in an nightmare offense with an awful QB situation. He could do a lot here. Again though, I wonder what that would mean for Mike Wallace, I think the Ravens would relieve Wallace and go after a slot WR with Perriman being relied upon to step up either as #1 or #2. 

I wouldn't have an issue with parting ways with Wallace. He definitely earned his kept but he doesn't really fit this offense as a top option imo. He's more of a 4th option to me. A speed guy who can take advantage of coverage but I want someone who can consistently run strong routes and keep drives alive. I know many will say Perriman isn't that guy but I think he will be with a full offseason and the chance to properly develop. Going forward I actually like Moore taking the role of Wallace. 

If signed Britt will definitely be the starter along with Perriman. Wallace might actually begin the season as the starter but Perriman is primed to be at least the #2 next year. Britt would bring a constant chain mover with big play potential, but I also like the thought of him helping Perriman play a little more physical. 

I'm sitting here watching Dez after watching Julio yesterday and I so desperately want this offense to have a go to WR who isn't either past his prime or has one foot already in retirement. If we don't have a true go to guy, I want two guy that compliment each other very well and can wreck havoc. I think Britt and Perriman could be that pair. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Bell certainly isn't the runner that Peterson was (well, they're different), but Bell is vastly more dynamic and one of the most dangerous weapons in the NFL. I'd give up a first.

If he was playing under a rookie deal still, I'd consider it.

I'm definitely not giving up a first and what would almost certainly be a large, front-loaded contract to him at the same time. Especially when you consider his next week infraction is probably starting at an 8 game suspension.

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I wouldn't have an issue with parting ways with Wallace. He definitely earned his kept but he doesn't really fit this offense as a top option imo. He's more of a 4th option to me. A speed guy who can take advantage of coverage but I want someone who can consistently run strong routes and keep drives alive. I know many will say Perriman isn't that guy but I think he will be with a full offseason and the chance to properly develop. Going forward I actually like Moore taking the role of Wallace. 

If signed Britt will definitely be the starter along with Perriman. Wallace might actually begin the season as the starter but Perriman is primed to be at least the #2 next year. Britt would bring a constant chain mover with big play potential, but I also like the thought of him helping Perriman play a little more physical. 

I'm sitting here watching Dez after watching Julio yesterday and I so desperately want this offense to have a go to WR who isn't either past his prime or has one foot already in retirement. If we don't have a true go to guy, I want two guy that compliment each other very well and can wreck havoc. I think Britt and Perriman could be that pair. 

 

I like what Wallace did here as well, but if we're paying Britt that $8M salary than having Mike Wallace at that 8M cap hit just isn't something you would want. I think Perriman kind of relieves Wallace of his duties, being that speed guy and someone who can highpoint the ball and make those tough grabs, things that I don't think are Wallace strongest qualities. I'd also point to Wallace 2nd half decline, to be honest with you it's something I would be concerned about. 

Watching the Falcons offense, iv notice that outside of Julio they have guys who just get free runs, what I mean by that is play designs that get guys open. I want to see more from that from the Ravens, scheme guys open when playing a zone coverage. 

Personally, I love a Perriman-Britt pairing. For one, Kenny Britt could really do some great things here, he was really limited in the Rams offense. We all know about Perriman and the things that held him back, I feel that his route running is going to be worked on this off season and if he improves on that then I'm thinking he truly breaks out next season. We could have 2 1,000 yard WRs IMO. 

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I like what Wallace did here as well, but if we're paying Britt that $8M salary than having Mike Wallace at that 8M cap hit just isn't something you would want. I think Perriman kind of relieves Wallace of his duties, being that speed guy and someone who can highpoint the ball and make those tough grabs, things that I don't think are Wallace strongest qualities. I'd also point to Wallace 2nd half decline, to be honest with you it's something I would be concerned about. 

Watching the Falcons offense, iv notice that outside of Julio they have guys who just get free runs, what I mean by that is play designs that get guys open. I want to see more from that from the Ravens, scheme guys open when playing a zone coverage. 

Personally, I love a Perriman-Britt pairing. For one, Kenny Britt could really do some great things here, he was really limited in the Rams offense. We all know about Perriman and the things that held him back, I feel that his route running is going to be worked on this off season and if he improves on that then I'm thinking he truly breaks out next season. We could have 2 1,000 yard WRs IMO. 

While these are all hypothetical salary ranges, keep in mind that if you were to sign somebody like Britt to, say, a 4 year deal at an $8M AAV, his first year cap hit would likely be a lot less than that... maybe even in the $4-5M range. 

So you could afford to have both of those players playing at a cap hit in the range of $12-15M if you wanted to. Not sure we will pay that much for a "complimentary" receiver as the FO referenced though, but Wallace only has one more year on his deal and probably isn't a player we are interested in keeping beyond 2017 anyway. So if you only had those cap concerns for a single season, it could be feasible. 

Again, not saying we will go this route, but I don't think we will spend that kind of money on a receiver. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

 

 

Im sure glad fans......

Haven't won the Mega millions jackpot multiple times to allow them to purchase the Baltimore ravens organization so they don't run the team