Free Agency 2017 (Players from Other Teams We Should Consider)

[hereweare]

Based on these numbers It appears we could clear a lot of cap space.. maybe not though, too much dead money to eat.

think we exercise our club option with Wallace?

Edited December 29, 2016 by hereweare

[rmw10]

13 minutes ago, hereweare said:

Based on these numbers It appears we could clear a lot of cap space.. maybe not though, too much dead money to eat.

think we exercise our club option with Wallace?

I think you're looking at Dumervil, Pitta, Watson, Lewis, and Arrington as the obvious drops.  Wright can probably join them as well but we'll see how they feel about the CB depth.

Webb is iffy because he played really well this year.  Maybe another extension for him in order to spread the cap out?

Zuttah is 50/50 for me.

I've already discussed this quite a bit, but Wallace will stay at his number.  I think he's more likely to get a small extension, but should that not happen, he's still going to stay.

[hereweare]

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think you're looking at Dumervil, Pitta, Watson, Lewis, and Arrington as the obvious drops.  Wright can probably join them as well but we'll see how they feel about the CB depth.

Webb is iffy because he played really well this year.  Maybe another extension for him in order to spread the cap out?

Zuttah is 50/50 for me.

I've already discussed this quite a bit, but Wallace will stay at his number.  I think he's more likely to get a small extension, but should that not happen, he's still going to stay.

Lewis Arrington even Watson for sure. After that I wonder about dead money. Has Scotty paid for a lot of dead money in the past? (That he wasn't forced too)

 

can you direct me to the Wallace thread please?

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, hereweare said:

Lewis Arrington even Watson for sure. After that I wonder about dead money. Has Scotty paid for a lot of dead money in the past? (That he wasn't forced too)

 

can you direct me to the Wallace thread please?

The dead money doesn't matter.  You're paying it regardless so that should never be a determining factor, unless it's costing you more to get rid of a player than keep him of course.

Wallace discussions may be in this thread, the Steve Smith 89% thread, or the other 2017 thread.

[DomMcRaven]

20 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

I hope means OC lol

I know right?! Ozzie did a pretty good job with this draft getting the likes of Stanley, Lewis, Dixon, Tavon Young, and Judon. 

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I just want JC Tretter as an under the radar type guy.

That may be the best move we can make in FA because it gives us a guy on the OL to build around and center is a tough position to get in the draft because you find guys everywhere and while that may seem easy even the centers drafted high don't have a high success rate and we can instead focus our early day 1 & w draft picks to other positions that cost considerably more like WR, CB, pass rusher 

[hereweare]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

The dead money doesn't matter.  You're paying it regardless so that should never be a determining factor, unless it's costing you more to get rid of a player than keep him of course.

Wallace discussions may be in this thread, the Steve Smith 89% thread, or the other 2017 thread.

True, dead money just looks bad because you're paying a player not even on the roster.

 

and ok thanks.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I think you're looking at Dumervil, Pitta, Watson, Lewis, and Arrington as the obvious drops.  Wright can probably join them as well but we'll see how they feel about the CB depth.

Webb is iffy because he played really well this year.  Maybe another extension for him in order to spread the cap out?

Zuttah is 50/50 for me.

I've already discussed this quite a bit, but Wallace will stay at his number.  I think he's more likely to get a small extension, but should that not happen, he's still going to stay.

I agree on all of this but I think we keep Zuttah unless we agree with someone like Tretter or trade for a guy.  While Zuttah isn't great he's better than Shipley or Gino so yeah. I think Wallace plays out his deal because I see us signing a FA WR and if we do that'll mean that we won't want both Wallace, WR X, and Perriman around with money invested into both Wallace and WR X long term since we'll want to see what we have in Perriman so having these 3 WR in 2017 is good but may not be in 2018. I can see Webb gone or staying it really depends maybe he takes another cut or something or restructures his deal. 

Dumervil, Arrington,Lewis, Watson and Pitta seem like cuts even Stevie Wonder can see. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Zuttah should stay. I believe He's got experience at guard from Tampa (fact check?)and he's a solid veteran presence when healthy. He would be extremely valuable to have around for another season just in case we need him in a pinch 

[ellicottraven]

11 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I agree on all of this but I think we keep Zuttah unless we agree with someone like Tretter or trade for a guy.  While Zuttah isn't great he's better than Shipley or Gino so yeah. I think Wallace plays out his deal because I see us signing a FA WR and if we do that'll mean that we won't want both Wallace, WR X, and Perriman around with money invested into both Wallace and WR X long term since we'll want to see what we have in Perriman so having these 3 WR in 2017 is good but may not be in 2018. I can see Webb gone or staying it really depends maybe he takes another cut or something or restructures his deal. 

Dumervil, Arrington,Lewis, Watson and Pitta seem like cuts even Stevie Wonder can see. 

Pitta is going nowhere not after the catches he made even if it were just padded stats and he dropped a good many catchable passes and his yards per catch were in the 8 range. He just earned himself another year.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Zuttah should stay. I believe He's got experience at guard from Tampa (fact check?)and he's a solid veteran presence when healthy. He would be extremely valuable to have around for another season just in case we need him in a pinch 

Pretty sure Zuttah played LG before so yeah

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, ellicottraven said:

Pitta is going nowhere not after the catches he made even if it were just padded stats and he dropped a good many catchable passes and his yards per catch were in the 8 range. He just earned himself another year.

Pitta has dropped plenty of balls at least that's what I remember. I know he dropped more balls than a newborn baby against Pittsburgh. 

[ellicottraven]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

Pitta has dropped plenty of balls at least that's what I remember. I know he dropped more balls than a newborn baby against Pittsburgh. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Pitta is going nowhere not after the catches he made even if it were just padded stats and he dropped a good many catchable passes and his yards per catch were in the 8 range. He just earned himself another year.

Pitta was the league leader in meaningless catch to crucial drop ratio, I can just about guarantee that. 

Easy to catch a 2 yard out on 3rd and long which is probably most of his production. 

[balfan23]

10 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Pitta is going nowhere not after the catches he made even if it were just padded stats and he dropped a good many catchable passes and his yards per catch were in the 8 range. He just earned himself another year.

Here's the problem. Like every offseason, we need to shake down the sofa cushions for spare change. We have expended a 2nd round pick (with a trade up), a 3rd round pick and 2 - 5th round picks on the TE position. All have questions, but I don't believe the FO is ready to give up on them. All are young and have some level of promise. I even believe that if all are healthy and worthy of a roster spot, we'll be willing to float Waller between TE and WR (given the injury history of this group). 

We'll need the $3.3M in savings that cutting PItta will bring to patch up holes and sign a couple of our own FAs. We're just going to have to roll the dice and hope that one or two of these guys step up. I understand the sentiment that wants us to keep Pitta around and it isn't like he's terrible, so it does make for a tough choice. But making tough choices is what the FO does for a living. 

[hn68wb4]

My *realistic* offseason wishlist is just Pierre Garcon to fill the spot SSS is vacating and J.C. Tretter to take over at center. If those are the only two signings then I'd be an extremely happy camper. Would make me very happy moving into the draft because Elflein is the only OC prospect that I care for and I don't want to spend our first on him and Garcon would be that vet presence that Joe always needs, Wallace will probably be back but he doesn't provide as much as Garcon would in the <20 yard area.

I'd love to add OLB Melvin Ingram and WR Brian Quick as well but I don't expect it, I don't think we'd be willing to pay Ingram more than some other teams and Brian Quick is just a guy that I refuse to give up on.

[RaineV1]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Zuttah should stay. I believe He's got experience at guard from Tampa (fact check?)and he's a solid veteran presence when healthy. He would be extremely valuable to have around for another season just in case we need him in a pinch 

Yeah, I'd keep Zuttah around. If we get a new center, Zuttah can battle Lewis for the starting guard role. And Zuttah gives us a decent backup center.

[rmw10]

30 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I agree on all of this but I think we keep Zuttah unless we agree with someone like Tretter or trade for a guy.  While Zuttah isn't great he's better than Shipley or Gino so yeah. I think Wallace plays out his deal because I see us signing a FA WR and if we do that'll mean that we won't want both Wallace, WR X, and Perriman around with money invested into both Wallace and WR X long term since we'll want to see what we have in Perriman so having these 3 WR in 2017 is good but may not be in 2018. I can see Webb gone or staying it really depends maybe he takes another cut or something or restructures his deal. 

Dumervil, Arrington,Lewis, Watson and Pitta seem like cuts even Stevie Wonder can see. 

 

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Zuttah should stay. I believe He's got experience at guard from Tampa (fact check?)and he's a solid veteran presence when healthy. He would be extremely valuable to have around for another season just in case we need him in a pinch 

For what it's worth, I agree on Zuttah.  I still think he's a decent C.  We can certainly stand to improve, but we can also do a lot worse.  I'd keep him for one more year and try to draft the future replacement, unless there's a good value in FA of course.  The only reason I think it's possible right now is because of his salary.

Edited December 29, 2016 by rmw10

[hn68wb4]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Zuttah should stay. I believe He's got experience at guard from Tampa (fact check?)and he's a solid veteran presence when healthy. He would be extremely valuable to have around for another season just in case we need him in a pinch 

He did play LG for Tampa, not so sure he was any good there though. I don't expect him to go anywhere, even if we sign someone to take over the starting job like Tretter. He provides more than cutting him would save and that's pretty much all that matters.

[Cillmatic]

Zuttah can NOT be our starting center next season, sadly there are no good centers in free agency.

[balfan23]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I think you're looking at Dumervil, Pitta, Watson, Lewis, and Arrington as the obvious drops.  Wright can probably join them as well but we'll see how they feel about the CB depth.

Webb is iffy because he played really well this year.  Maybe another extension for him in order to spread the cap out?

Zuttah is 50/50 for me.

I've already discussed this quite a bit, but Wallace will stay at his number.  I think he's more likely to get a small extension, but should that not happen, he's still going to stay.

Initially, I thought that Webb would most likely be an outright cut, given his $5.5M savings ... however, since he's only under contract through 2017 and since I think he could be effective for at least a year beyond that given his role at S, I'm thinking another cost reducing extension may be offered first before we take more drastic action. I think we could probably trim about $2.5M off his cap hit which may make it worth keeping him. 

The same may apply to Wallace. He is one that would provide an equally substantial savings in a cut, but our WR position is so thin, I think we will want to find a way to keep him, but reduce his hit. Since he is also only signed through 2017, a small extension may be a possibility. 

[hn68wb4]

13 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Zuttah can NOT be our starting center next season, sadly there are no good centers in free agency.

Tretter is very good, and young as well, only reason the Packers are going to let him walk is because they've got a good backup

[balfan23]

With all the discussion around Zuttah, I must say ... people talk incessantly about what we lost from the Super Bowl championship team and only include Ray and Ed, along with the highly controversial release of Q and the overpaid defectors (Ellerbe and Kruger). One guy who seems to never get mentioned but was a HUGE loss and a guy we've just not sufficiently replaced was Birk. A very underrated major contributor to our success during the years he played here. 

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Initially, I thought that Webb would most likely be an outright cut, given his $5.5M savings ... however, since he's only under contract through 2017 and since I think he could be effective for at least a year beyond that given his role at S, I'm thinking another cost reducing extension may be offered first before we take more drastic action. I think we could probably trim about $2.5M off his cap hit which may make it worth keeping him. 

The same may apply to Wallace. He is one that would provide an equally substantial savings in a cut, but our WR position is so thin, I think we will want to find a way to keep him, but reduce his hit. Since he is also only signed through 2017, a small extension may be a possibility. 

That's what I was thinking with both of them.  Nothing cost prohibitive, but enough to knock off some cap space this year and make them easy to cut before the last year of the deal.  It's a fairly standard process once you get the player's/agent's approval.

[Cillmatic]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Tretter is very good, and young as well, only reason the Packers are going to let him walk is because they've got a good backup

Dudes really injury prone though, put on reserves in 2013, IR'd in 2014 and was out for a bit this season. No thanks.

[Cillmatic]

We'll have about $30,000,000 in cap space if we cut Pitta, Arrington, Elvis, Lewis and Watson. We'll need to tender Orr, Camp and West and then we'll have to resign people like Juice, Wagner and Williams. Assuming all those signings are made(including tenders and Juice for $4 mil and Wagner for $6 mil) we'd theoretically have around $14 million to work with after words. Draft classes carry an average of $5 million in cap. giving us about $9 million to use on signing other players.

 

Don't expect many moves this time. We'll have to NAIL the 2017 draft and have our recent 2nd and 3rd round busts turn things around if we want to be contenders next season.

Edited December 29, 2016 by Cillmatic

[hereweare]

11 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

We'll have about $30,000,000 in cap space if we cut Pitta, Arrington, Elvis, Lewis and Watson. We'll need to tender Orr, Camp and West and then we'll have to resign people like Juice, Wagner and Williams. Assuming all those signings are made(including tenders and Juice for $4 mil and Wagner for $6 mil) we'd theoretically have around $14 million to work with after words. Draft classes carry an average of $5 million in cap. giving us about $9 million to use on signing other players.

 

Don't expect many moves this time.

Unless BWill isn't resigned...

Edited December 29, 2016 by hereweare

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Pitta was the league leader in meaningless catch to crucial drop ratio, I can just about guarantee that. 

Easy to catch a 2 yard out on 3rd and long which is probably most of his production. 

I don't disagree with you but the only thing that he'll showcase to earn the extra year is his stat sheet. I don't like it but he's one of Flacco's favorite people.

[hereweare]

20 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

We'll have about $30,000,000 in cap space if we cut Pitta, Arrington, Elvis, Lewis and Watson. We'll need to tender Orr, Camp and West and then we'll have to resign people like Juice, Wagner and Williams. Assuming all those signings are made(including tenders and Juice for $4 mil and Wagner for $6 mil) we'd theoretically have around $14 million to work with after words. Draft classes carry an average of $5 million in cap. giving us about $9 million to use on signing other players.

Also, numbers don't make sense to me... 30m to 14mil. So 16m spent on the resignees 10 of it going to Wagner and Juice. So 6m is left over for the tenders AND BWill??

Edited December 29, 2016 by hereweare

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

Dudes really injury prone though, put on reserves in 2013, IR'd in 2014 and was out for a bit this season. No thanks.

Were they legit injuries, though, or were they those ones you could play through, but you're a backup and the team needs the roster space type?