Free Agency 2017 (Players from Other Teams We Should Consider)

[Drew P]

45 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If all franchises cared about with QBs is whether they win or not, Think maybe they could have used that pick differently? Look at the all the players drafted after him that would have undoubtedly yielded more production.

Tim Tebow is a winning QB by NFL standards.

We write off players on these boards as "busts" after missing one season due to injury, and these guys ride pine for years and somehow are smart draft picks.

 

The Pats really needed more production from their draft picks? They are the premier team in the league year in and year out been that way since hell 15 years now?

And Garropolo is "riding the pine" he should be starting ahead of Brady, he must really suck.

I don't follow the Tebow reference. He isn't in the NFL. He isn't presently winning anything in the league.

[Deflated Football]

Please trade for Kyle Fuller 

[rmcjacket23]

18 minutes ago, Drew P said:

The Pats really needed more production from their draft picks? They are the premier team in the league year in and year out been that way since hell 15 years now?

And Garropolo is "riding the pine" he should be starting ahead of Brady, he must really suck.

I don't follow the Tebow reference. He isn't in the NFL. He isn't presently winning anything in the league.

1. Yes, every single team in the league needs more production from the draft. I can't believe any human being would think they don't. Shouldn't they be in the SB or winning the SB literally every season if they don't need any more upgrades? But they're not doing either of those things every year. To say that ANY NFL team, regardless of success, can just toss away draft picks left and right is incredibly ignorant.

2. Yeah, Jimmy should be starting over Brady. And pigs can fly. Way to double down on that ignorance.

3. You said that the ROI that matters to NFL QBs is winning games. Tim Tebow wins games. So why isn't he in the NFL if he wins games? I thought winning games as a QB is what NFL franchises care about? So why would an NFL team pick somebody who doesn't win as much over him?

Hint: this is me using your ridiculous logic against you.

You need to get educated on what you are talking about and get it fast. 

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Please trade for Kyle Fuller 

I'm ALL for that! Give them Carl Davis or Z'darius Smith and a draft pick in exchange for Fuller. Hell yeah!!

Edited December 22, 2016 by Cillmatic

[PurpleCity5]

On 12/21/2016 at 1:09 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

I really can't see Webb as a cut. They've spent a ton of time looking for a suitable safety after Ed Reed walked and they finally have a pretty decent one in Webb. He's not been a liability recently and has actually played pretty damn well. 

As for Zuttah, I'd be in no hurry to cut him for $2.3M when the Ravens really have no suitable replacement. Good centers aren't floating around the league and it's not an easy position for a rookie to transition into. Unless the Ravens picked up someone like JC Tretter (who I'd even sign just to play guard, personally), I don't see a way Zuttah is cut by the Ravens.

I don't think we're going to cut as many people as some anticipate. Center, OLB, TE, and FS are all places you're going to make a cut at? That's bold, even with the cap savings you might only fill in two of those positions via FA and might have to look into filling in other positions via draft which doesn't bold well considering that the draft hasn't solved our TE and OLB problem. 

Pitta is a name I see float around but at this point I don't think it will happen. He's maxed out his incentives and might have a shot at the Pro Bowl. I know he's not elite at this point but he's been a help to this offense. I feel like he has at least one more good game left and could provide a boost in the postseason. Just doesn't make sense that you would cut someone who has earned back his incentives. 

 I don't think Webb gets cut either, just think he's played well at this point and we could use some stability in the back. 

Doom is a guy I think gets cut and brought back. 

FA class of Cs are weak and draft has a few good Cs. I think Zuttah will be a camp cut. I certainly think we do something at Center. 

[Drew P]

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Yes, every single team in the league needs more production from the draft. I can't believe any human being would think they don't. Shouldn't they be in the SB or winning the SB literally every season if they don't need any more upgrades? But they're not doing either of those things every year. To say that ANY NFL team, regardless of success, can just toss away draft picks left and right is incredibly ignorant.

2. Yeah, Jimmy should be starting over Brady. And pigs can fly. Way to double down on that ignorance.

3. You said that the ROI that matters to NFL QBs is winning games. Tim Tebow wins games. So why isn't he in the NFL if he wins games? I thought winning games as a QB is what NFL franchises care about? So why would an NFL team pick somebody who doesn't win as much over him?

Hint: this is me using your ridiculous logic against you.

You need to get educated on what you are talking about and get it fast. 

In other words everything else remains a constant in the league YOY such as rules, coaches, etc. its all about "upgrading" however that is defined. So please go ahead tell us how you being the all mighty be all end all to the NFL define upgrading.

If you recall the Pats had to cough up an early round pick a few years ago, lost a decent TE in that murderer, selected a QB early (which you say is a waste) and still remained in the hunt all throughout. They also as you stated "Tossed away" decent players they drafted mid season by trading them several times over the past few years and didn't miss a beat. So I don't have to say they can just toss away draft picks left and right... they did it lol.

They missed the SB last year by basically an eye lash against an all time top ranked D on the road. What upgrade's (to their roster) could they have possibly have selected when they pick at the tail end of the first round each round? I know you have the answer to that go ahead, please enlighten us on whom they should have selected (past tense of course) that would have allowed them to at least convert on that game tying 2 PT conversion in DEN?

You argue nonsense to the point you have zero clue what your initial two cents was about or worth which is usually half that. Your posts basically consist of copying and pasting the RSR cap figures - how prophetic and what keen foresight this provides for us. You pretty much fixate on outlying stats like your beloved Tebow which is why many stats in the NFL are simply useless. So go ahead again and tell us why everyone in the NFL and on the board is wrong except you. Please be creative this time though and try to focus on the future not the past...its in the past.

I just never understood the kind of ilk that never sniffed a sport's field a day in their life but pushed pencils some how always have the answers ...SMH.

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, Drew P said:

The Pats really needed more production from their draft picks? They are the premier team in the league year in and year out been that way since hell 15 years now?

And Garropolo is "riding the pine" he should be starting ahead of Brady, he must really suck.

I don't follow the Tebow reference. He isn't in the NFL. He isn't presently winning anything in the league.

What i gathered from your statements: The pats shoudlnt even bother drafting anyone, every year.  Garropolo is better than Brady.  I mean, ive been drinking but what the hell...

[rmcjacket23]

16 hours ago, Drew P said:

In other words everything else remains a constant in the league YOY such as rules, coaches, etc. its all about "upgrading" however that is defined. So please go ahead tell us how you being the all mighty be all end all to the NFL define upgrading.

If you recall the Pats had to cough up an early round pick a few years ago, lost a decent TE in that murderer, selected a QB early (which you say is a waste) and still remained in the hunt all throughout. They also as you stated "Tossed away" decent players they drafted mid season by trading them several times over the past few years and didn't miss a beat. So I don't have to say they can just toss away draft picks left and right... they did it lol.

They missed the SB last year by basically an eye lash against an all time top ranked D on the road. What upgrade's (to their roster) could they have possibly have selected when they pick at the tail end of the first round each round? I know you have the answer to that go ahead, please enlighten us on whom they should have selected (past tense of course) that would have allowed them to at least convert on that game tying 2 PT conversion in DEN?

You argue nonsense to the point you have zero clue what your initial two cents was about or worth which is usually half that. Your posts basically consist of copying and pasting the RSR cap figures - how prophetic and what keen foresight this provides for us. You pretty much fixate on outlying stats like your beloved Tebow which is why many stats in the NFL are simply useless. So go ahead again and tell us why everyone in the NFL and on the board is wrong except you. Please be creative this time though and try to focus on the future not the past...its in the past.

I just never understood the kind of ilk that never sniffed a sport's field a day in their life but pushed pencils some how always have the answers ...SMH.

Wow, just a gigantic amount of useless gasbaggery in this post. Lets start the undressing process:

1. Upgrading would be getting a better player at a certain position than the player who played that position the year before was. Eric Weddle would be an example of an "upgrade". He plays the position he plays better than the person who played there the previous year. If this concept is still too hard to understand, feel free to let me know.

2. No, they can miss on SOME draft picks, just like all teams can and do. The Seahawks whiff on draft picks annually and still manage to be good. But what you are saying is that they can literally draft nobody and still be good. That would make it hard for guys like Brady to be on the team if all they did was just never draft anybody. 

3. Well, this question isn't too particularly hard. If I ONLY focused on key areas where the Patriots were weaker from just 2015, offensive line would certainly qualify. The biggest difference maker in that entire Broncos game was the Patriots offensive line inability to even remotely protect Brady. So, it goes without saying that perhaps getting better offensive lineman in the draft may have been a better idea.

So lets look at that:

In 2014, the Patriots took Dominique Easley in the first round. He played two seasons in NE, did relatively nothing, and isn't even there anymore. He didn't play after the 11th game in 2015, meaning he produced nothing for the Pats down the stretch or in the playoffs.

So that's a 1st round pick that played very little for the team and was dumped within two years. And according to you, there's no possible way they could have upgraded there, simply because they made the AFC Championship?

Here's how they could have upgraded... they could have taken Xavier Sua-Filo, a pretty good Guard for the Texans who was drafted four picks later. They could have taken Joel Bitonio, a pretty good Tackle for the Browns who was drafted 6 picks later. They could have taken Morgan Moses, a decent tackle for the Redskins who was taken early 3rd round (they could have taken him over Easley or even Garoppolo, who they picked in the 2nd round). Trai Turner is a Pro Bowler that was taken in the 3rd round... the Pats passed on him twice.

So there's an opportunity for two offensive lineman to be taken who would have produced exponentially more value to the 2015 Patriots than a DLineman who basically didn't play and a backup QB who literally didn't play.

And that's just looking at ONE position from ONE draft class. In 2012, they took Tavon Wilson in the 2nd round, a guy who played sparingly in 2015. They picked him over Peter Konz, a pretty good Center, and one Kelechi Osemele. Both of those players would have been on the roster for the 2015 season, still under rookie contracts. You think maybe the Pats would have liked to have had KO on their offensive line for last years game against the Broncos? Well, they certainly had the opportunity to take him. They just didn't.

Again, I can play this game all day long at most positions on most teams. No team is elite everywhere, and most of them aren't even good everywhere. The Patriots are no exception.

4. Actually, I rarely use RSR for cap information. I use other sites. Plenty of information out there... if you know how to read it.

In a gigantic sense of irony, you accuse me of saying teams do things that they don't, when you're entire argument is based on things that NFL teams don't actually do.

You said that Garoppolo should be starting over Brady. Which NFL team specifically agrees with you there? You say that the Patriots don't need the draft and don't need to upgrade anywhere because they win everywhere. So why do they keep making draft picks? Why do they trade Chandler Jones for... draft picks? Why do they trade Jamie Collins for... draft picks? If you say they don't need draft picks, why do they keep trading away quality players for said draft picks?

5. I played college baseball, and I played high school football, which exceeds the athletic prowess of 90% of blog posters on here, almost certainly yourself included. Neither is really relevant, because this stuff isn't rocket science to understand. The problem is that people like you think opinions are better than facts. How dare you spend the time doing actual factual research... that stuffs boring. Far easier to just spew off mindless and baseless opinions and pray like hell that nobody challenges you on them. And when they do challenge you on them, and you have no rebuttal, they run and hide behind the block button. Yeah, that's real educated and intelligent.

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Edited December 23, 2016 by Moderator 3
Went TOO far

[ellicottraven]

18 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Wow, just a gigantic amount of useless gasbaggery in this post. Lets start the undressing process:

1. Upgrading would be getting a better player at a certain position than the player who played that position the year before was. Eric Weddle would be an example of an "upgrade". He plays the position he plays better than the person who played there the previous year. If this concept is still too hard to understand, feel free to let me know.

2. No, they can miss on SOME draft picks, just like all teams can and do. The Seahawks whiff on draft picks annually and still manage to be good. But what you are saying is that they can literally draft nobody and still be good. That would make it hard for guys like Brady to be on the team if all they did was just never draft anybody. 

3. Well, this question isn't too particularly hard. If I ONLY focused on key areas where the Patriots were weaker from just 2015, offensive line would certainly qualify. The biggest difference maker in that entire Broncos game was the Patriots offensive line inability to even remotely protect Brady. So, it goes without saying that perhaps getting better offensive lineman in the draft may have been a better idea.

So lets look at that:

In 2014, the Patriots took Dominique Easley in the first round. He played two seasons in NE, did relatively nothing, and isn't even there anymore. He didn't play after the 11th game in 2015, meaning he produced nothing for the Pats down the stretch or in the playoffs.

So that's a 1st round pick that played very little for the team and was dumped within two years. And according to you, there's no possible way they could have upgraded there, simply because they made the AFC Championship?

Here's how they could have upgraded... they could have taken Xavier Sua-Filo, a pretty good Guard for the Texans who was drafted four picks later. They could have taken Joel Bitonio, a pretty good Tackle for the Browns who was drafted 6 picks later. They could have taken Morgan Moses, a decent tackle for the Redskins who was taken early 3rd round (they could have taken him over Easley or even Garoppolo, who they picked in the 2nd round). Trai Turner is a Pro Bowler that was taken in the 3rd round... the Pats passed on him twice.

So there's an opportunity for two offensive lineman to be taken who would have produced exponentially more value to the 2015 Patriots than a DLineman who basically didn't play and a backup QB who literally didn't play.

And that's just looking at ONE position from ONE draft class. In 2012, they took Tavon Wilson in the 2nd round, a guy who played sparingly in 2015. They picked him over Peter Konz, a pretty good Center, and one Kelechi Osemele. Both of those players would have been on the roster for the 2015 season, still under rookie contracts. You think maybe the Pats would have liked to have had KO on their offensive line for last years game against the Broncos? Well, they certainly had the opportunity to take him. They just didn't.

Again, I can play this game all day long at most positions on most teams. No team is elite everywhere, and most of them aren't even good everywhere. The Patriots are no exception.

4. Actually, I rarely use RSR for cap information. I use other sites. Plenty of information out there... if you know how to read it.

In a gigantic sense of irony, you accuse me of saying teams do things that they don't, when you're entire argument is based on things that NFL teams don't actually do.

You said that Garoppolo should be starting over Brady. Which NFL team specifically agrees with you there? You say that the Patriots don't need the draft and don't need to upgrade anywhere because they win everywhere. So why do they keep making draft picks? Why do they trade Chandler Jones for... draft picks? Why do they trade Jamie Collins for... draft picks? If you say they don't need draft picks, why do they keep trading away quality players for said draft picks?

5. I played college baseball, and I played high school football, which exceeds the athletic prowess of 90% of blog posters on here, almost certainly yourself included. Neither is really relevant, because this stuff isn't rocket science to understand. The problem is that people like you think opinions are better than facts. How dare you spend the time doing actual factual research... that stuffs boring. Far easier to just spew off mindless and baseless opinions and pray like hell that nobody challenges you on them. And when they do challenge you on them, and you have no rebuttal, they run and hide behind the block button. Yeah, that's real educated and intelligent.

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I played state table tennis. Does that count??

Edited December 23, 2016 by ellicottraven

[rmcjacket23]

22 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I played state table tennis. Does that count??

Its not pushing pencils, so I guess it does.

I don't know though. You may want to clear your qualifications through Drew P though.

[redlobster]

23 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Please trade for Kyle Fuller 

Isn't Kyle Fuller the guy who didn't play a down this year and is disputed to lack the desire or fire to return to the field?

[Deflated Football]

2 hours ago, redlobster said:

Isn't Kyle Fuller the guy who didn't play a down this year and is disputed to lack the desire or fire to return to the field?

They'll probably trade him for next to nothing and he's already better than anyone behind Jimmy and Tavon. A change of scenery could help. 

[JoeyFlex5]

On 12/22/2016 at 0:37 PM, Cillmatic said:

I'm ALL for that! Give them Carl Davis or Z'darius Smith and a draft pick in exchange for Fuller. Hell yeah!!

not sure why they would want that trade lmao

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

not sure why they would want that trade lmao

Apparently they want to get rid of him for anything without outright releasing him

[BmoreBird22]

On 12/22/2016 at 10:56 AM, Deflated Football said:

Please trade for Kyle Fuller 

My draft crush of 2014

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Apparently they want to get rid of him for anything without outright releasing him

We should renew Elma's 5th year option and trade him for fuller just to spite them 

[Cillmatic]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

We should renew Elma's 5th year option and trade him for fuller just to spite them 

 

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

not sure why they would want that trade lmao

They're still trying to rebuild their D-line and like Za'darius, Fuller has regressed this year.

[Rav'n Maniac]

15 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

We should renew Elma's 5th year option and trade him for fuller just to spite them 

Who is Elma and does she know how to sell shoes? 

[Davesta]

With the season pretty much over, who do you think is gone?

 

Who's retiring? 

Steve smith? Suggs? Doom ? 

 

Who are free agents?

wagner, b will, juice

 cap casualty? 

Webby?

 

 

Edited December 26, 2016 by Davesta

[rmw10]

I know it's not the typical ravens MO, but I would drop some serious coin on a top pass rusher or CB this year.

[redlobster]

17 minutes ago, Davesta said:

With the season pretty much over, who do you think is gone?

 

Who's retiring? 

Steve smith? Suggs? Doom ? 

 

Who are free agents?

wagner, b will, juice

 cap casualty? 

Webby?

 

 

I think dumervil is a cut candidate. Juice will be re-signed. Suggs is unknown as his cap number precludes him from being cut but he could retire.

 

stev smith plays in NE, Seattle or GB next year

Edited December 26, 2016 by redlobster

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I know it's not the typical ravens MO, but I would drop some serious coin on a top pass rusher or CB this year.

Or both. Then go draft pass rusher and CB in first two rounds.

[rmw10]

8 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Or both. Then go draft pass rusher and CB in first two rounds.

Think we need a bit of a change in philosophy.  Comp picks are great, but sometimes you have to pay for talent if you aren't going to keep your own.

[allblackraven]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Think we need a bit of a change in philosophy.  Comp picks are great, but sometimes you have to pay for talent if you aren't going to keep your own.

Although, if Pees stays, he'd just make them contain the pocket and drop to soft zone, respectively.

[Rav'n Maniac]

15 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I know it's not the typical ravens MO, but I would drop some serious coin on a top pass rusher and CB this year.

There fixed it for you, lol. I totally agree that these are two of three areas we need improvement, although we've never had great success with bringing in top defenders in the past. The other need I feel we must address is the Oline. We must strengthen our guard (opposite Yanda) and center positions. 

[Deflated Football]

15 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I know it's not the typical ravens MO, but I would drop some serious coin on a top pass rusher or CB this year.

Chandler Jones and Stephon Gilmore, please. Pull a Jerry Reese, Ozzie. 

 

                      Jernigan Pierce Chandler             

                 Sizzle     CJ        Orr         Judon

Gilmore                                                            Jimmy        

               Weddle                                 Webb 

 

With Tavon in the slot 

Edited December 26, 2016 by Deflated Football

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Chandler Jones and Stephon Gilmore, please. Pull a Jerry Reese, Ozzie. 

 

                      Jernigan Pierce Chandler             

                 Sizzle     CJ        Orr         Judon

Gilmore                                                            Jimmy        

               Weddle                                 Webb 

 

With Tavon in the slot 

Chandler would be playing OLB for us

[Deflated Football]

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Chandler would be playing OLB for us

Even better! We can sign JPP as well then!

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Thinking about the draft and the possibilities i started wondering just how many decent players careers were wasted by being drafted by the Brows, Raiders and others over the years due to not being developed correctly. It is like a black hile. The browns have had the great positions for ever and where does all of the hopeful talent go ?

[JO_75]

17 hours ago, redlobster said:

I think dumervil is a cut candidate. Juice will be re-signed. Suggs is unknown as his cap number precludes him from being cut but he could retire.

 

stev smith plays in NE, Seattle or GB next year

Suggs says he is coming back next year. Don't know what his cap is but I can see us asking him to take a pay cut along with Jimmy. Doom I see getting cut as well.

"I was always planning to come back and doing this another year,"

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/352031/ravens-olb-terrell-suggs-will-play-in-2017?ls=roto:BAL:topheadlines