Candidates to be the next OC

[FlocksGottaFeed]

What sometimes goes completely unnoticed about the Ravens organization is that it's one of the newest in the league and has already been included in the list of "Top 10 Greatest NFL Coaching Staffs Ever". I'm fairly confident that if or win an OC change is made it will be the 'right' choice. That said, I wouldn't rule-out Marty going forward either. Who knows what this offense may do going forward? There has been steady, positive, marginal and positively note-worthy improvements in chemistry (QB-WR), O-line play (4 ranked in top 5 performance last game), running game (respectable per rush averages since), etc. What if there is even more improvement and/or we closeout the season with offensive numbers that double previous (Trestman) production?

http://www.sportsgrid.com/real-sports/nfl/ranking-the-7-greatest-nfl-coaching-staffs-ever/

Further, just having this guy available, in place to step-in for the OC change this season gives me confidence in the organization. That could have gone south fast. It hasn't so far. In the case a OC change is needed during the off-season, I hope it comes from the college ranks or the leagues coaching youth movement in-order to stay in-step with the NFL's direction. I'm confident that's the path the Ravens FO will go in and STILL just confident in this team's resolve.

[allblackraven]

Looks like my candidate (T Herman) isn't going to NFL just yet. Rumours are Charlie Strong is being let go and Herman was offered Longhorns HC job.

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, flynismo said:

1. I know, just playing along with the hypothetical scenario

2. I think that's exactly why he'd be open to it. If someone is offered two different positions for the same pay, and one position comes with much less responsibilities than the other, most people are going to take the "easier" job. It'd be great if he can focus on nothing but just ways to improve the offense and system, and tailor it to our players.

Wrong way of thinking. Guys like Payton aren't looking for less responsibilities... they're looking for MORE responsibilities. A guy like him could probably get GM responsibilities if he really wanted them. 

When you're the HC, you basically answer to nobody in terms of in-game management and pre-game preparation. As an OC, you have somebody in your ear on the sidelines pointing out the problems they have with your play calling.

 

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Fact of the matter is, our offense is stale. With the weapons we have, we should be explosive. I understand the offensive line excuse, but Flacco had pretty good protection against Dallas and only had one touchdown and our ground attack was below average. Our TOP sucks because we can't pound the rock consistently like we did with Rice, McGahee and McClain. This has to do with game planning.

 

Since Kubiak (an offensive genius) left, we've been god awful, so what do you do? You go out and get yourself a like-minded playcaller. I'm not seeing that with Marty. This is why I would hire Payton in a heartbeat, either as a head coach or an offensive coordinator. Harbaugh delivers motivational speeches and says the same thing every single press conference. Again, he's not an X's and O's guy, but I LOVE HIM TO DEATH for helping us win a Super Bowl, but a lot of that credit goes to Flacco and his spectacular playoff run. Something has to change. Nobody here can say with a straight face that our offense is fine. 

Why are we even discussing Sean Payton again? He's the HC of the Saints and that doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon.

Or is this just the official Madden-ville thread for wishful thinking? If so, I'd like to throw Bill Walsh's name into the ring. I mean I know he hasn't coached in awhile and has been dead for almost a decade, but hey this is Madden, so lets not little things like common sense, logic, or even having a pulse get in the way.

Really don't see how the likelihood of us hiring Walsh for either role is any different than the likelihood of us hiring Payton for either role. Seems pretty similar to me.

Good lord people...

Edited November 26, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Why are we even discussing Sean Payton again? He's the HC of the Saints and that doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon.

Or is this just the official Madden-ville thread for wishful thinking? If so, I'd like to throw Bill Walsh's name into the ring. I mean I know he hasn't coached in awhile and has been dead for almost a decade, but hey this is Madden, so lets not little things like common sense, logic, or even having a pulse get in the way.

Really don't see how the likelihood of us hiring Walsh for either role is any different than the likelihood of us hiring Payton for either role. Seems pretty similar to me.

Good lord people...

Because this is a forum where people can discuss scenarios. You must be the life of the party 

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Because this is a forum where people can discuss scenarios. You must be the life of the party 

Yeah, because discussing unrealistic scenarios of events that won't actually happen is considered a "party".

Definitely the lameless "party" I've ever heard of. If I was the life of that party, I'd immediately make a strong re-examination of my life and just what exactly I'm doing with it.

Edited November 27, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Deflated Football]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah, because discussing unrealistic scenarios of events that won't actually happen is considered a "party".

Definitely the lameless "party" I've ever heard of. If I was the life of that party, I'd immediately make a strong re-examination of my life and just what exactly I'm doing with it.

Oh good lord. Someone get this guy a drink 

[JEEPercreepermd]

Didn't Norv Turner just get the Boot in Minnesota? 

Honestly, the West Coast offense isn't right for this team. We had one DECENT (by our standards) year running it under Kubiak, partly due to Forsett having an in expected flash in the pan season running the ball. 

 The Ravens have a ton of speed at Receiver, size and speed at TE (when they aren't all hurt) yet our passing game is a slants and fullback screens. IMO the Ravens need to get back to a power run game with deep shots downfield...even with Cam's offense, we could muster more than one offensive touchdown per game ...which is why if I'm Bisciotti, im looking long and hard at Turner next year. He runs the same scheme that we've had most success with ..but better than Cam Cameron could ever dream of. 

[Davesta]

Norv sounds like the most ideal available OC. Only concern is his age. 

[jazz1988]

8 hours ago, JEEPercreepermd said:

Didn't Norv Turner just get the Boot in Minnesota? 

Honestly, the West Coast offense isn't right for this team. We had one DECENT (by our standards) year running it under Kubiak, partly due to Forsett having an in expected flash in the pan season running the ball. 

 The Ravens have a ton of speed at Receiver, size and speed at TE (when they aren't all hurt) yet our passing game is a slants and fullback screens. IMO the Ravens need to get back to a power run game with deep shots downfield...even with Cam's offense, we could muster more than one offensive touchdown per game ...which is why if I'm Bisciotti, im looking long and hard at Turner next year. He runs the same scheme that we've had most success with ..but better than Cam Cameron could ever dream of. 

I don't think the west coast offense isn't right for the team at all. Not every offensive coordinator that runs a west coast offense  stress upon on a  dink and dunk offense . Marty M himself likes to go deep and his  offensive coordinator history proves that but  I don't think it's a good idea to get back to the same offensive scheme that Cam Cameron ran. Norv  Turner may run it better but it still relies heavily on isolation routes and the offensive line pass protections has to be near prefect at all times because of  the many deep routes being ran by receivers.I understand Ravens fans lack of patience with the offense progression  but Rome wasn't built in a day and I think Marty M is doing a fine job so far.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I don't think the west coast offense isn't right for the team at all. Not every offensive coordinator that runs a west coast offense  stress upon on a  dink and dunk offense . Marty M himself likes to go deep and his  offensive coordinator history proves that but  I don't think it's a good idea to get back to the same offensive scheme that Cam Cameron ran. Norv  Turner may run it better but it still relies heavily on isolation routes and the offensive line pass protections has to be near prefect at all times because of  the many deep routes being ran by receivers.I understand Ravens fans lack of patience with the offense progression  but Rome wasn't built in a day and I think Marty M is doing a fine job so far.

This. West coast isn't always a dink and dunk offense. Its about the coordinators philosophy. Some West coast guys like rapid strike horizontally stretched fields. Some like to stretch the field both ways. Some like to emphasize the slot receivers, some use tight ends more, some take deep shots often, some like to hit their fast receivers on short crossing routes, etc. I think Marty is calling the right game plan for the most part, he is using our personnel correctly he just isn't calling the right SITUATIONAL game plan at times. Also we aren't executing. He is definitely better than trestman who was using our players all wrong, we just need to get a rhythm and not take our foot off the pedal so early.

[Deflated Football]

7 hours ago, Davesta said:

Norv sounds like the most ideal available OC. Only concern is his age. 

Noooooooo doesn't he run the Air Coryell? I want a West Coast system. 

[rossihunter2]

7 hours ago, Davesta said:

Norv sounds like the most ideal available OC. Only concern is his age. 

i think norv might be retiring - he couldnt handle the long season and the conflicts and machinations of an albeit difficult season with the vikings but for me that's just a sign that his heart really isnt in it anymore maybe

if somehow we could get rick dennison to leave the broncos (because he'd be able to call the plays here) that would be ideal because flacco has looked his best since the superbowl run when under dennison's tutelage at qb coach

but if im being reasonable we likely end up with marty continuing i think and hoping he can adjust with a full off season

[Tank 92]

42 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

 

but if im being reasonable we likely end up with marty continuing i think and hoping he can adjust with a full off season

Hopefully he can adjust by next week!

[rafahash]

Just curious: does anyone think that Bill Callahan could be a viable choice? Getting rid of Castillo would be a bonus.

[Wisdom]

It really doesn't matter who we bring in for Flacco will find a way to get him fire in order to cover up his own incompetency.  I would prefer to bring in a new QB.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

On 11/24/2016 at 5:32 PM, The Raven said:

In detail, I'm inclined to give Marty a full season next year, unless we want to start all over. I think Marty has done, well, not bad. I'd love to give him a year where he gets to be "the guy" from day 1 of OTAs. I want him to have say over what offensive personnel he wants in FA and the draft. I want him to install his system the way he wants to. I kinda like Marty. He's not a bad coordinator.

It's not that I think he's bad. I don't think he's the right fit. He's not a terrible playcaller but he isn't as good with the run game.

 

I do think that he suffers from having a bad oline, but truthfully, the weapons aren't bad. I think we have three capable nfl running backs with Dixon and West having starter level potential and Allen being a dream scenario third down running back(yet we don't use him even though he's proven on the nfl level to be a good recieving back) with a few good, not great WRs, with a lot of potential at TE going forward. In 2-3 years we could have an elite offense if Ozzie finally decides to look at the oline. We could use another possesion WR going forward, but I'm a fan of the skill position players. Lot of young talent going forward. 

 

I just don't think he's a good fit here. I think he'd be good for other teams, but I don't think he's ideal here. Personally, I think if a guy like Wisenhunt becomes avaliable because the chargers purge we should take him. He's not the problem over there, hell, neither is Mike McCoy. They can't build a defense or give Rivers an oline. 

At this point, I don't know where to go. I don't want to go back to the AC. Here's hoping the Browns are stupid and fire Hue Jackson

[jazz1988]

15 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think norv might be retiring - he couldnt handle the long season and the conflicts and machinations of an albeit difficult season with the vikings but for me that's just a sign that his heart really isnt in it anymore maybe

if somehow we could get rick dennison to leave the broncos (because he'd be able to call the plays here) that would be ideal because flacco has looked his best since the superbowl run when under dennison's tutelage at qb coach

but if im being reasonable we likely end up with marty continuing i think and hoping he can adjust with a full off season

 

I think if John Harbaugh actually had interest in Rick Dennison as a offensive coordinator then he would have kept him on the coaching staff when Gary Kubiak left. Rick Dennison play calling experience is limited because for most of the time it's has been Gary Kubiak that's calling the plays  or Mike Shanahan when he was his the offensive coordinator for The Broncos back in the day.

[Greatness]

9 hours ago, rafahash said:

Just curious: does anyone think that Bill Callahan could be a viable choice? Getting rid of Castillo would be a bonus.

Nah, I believe the game has passed him as well. But getting rid of Castillo is always a bonus as you said. I don't think there is anyone out there that can effectively run the WCO as Kubes did for us, and we should return to the Air Coryell. I think Norv would be a good fit here for the Ravens. Though he is older, I think he could thrive the way we play football.

[PurpleCity5]

On 11/24/2016 at 6:47 PM, Ravensfan23 said:

I wouldn't mind the change, however how can you have continuity with change being so continuous? I'm all for Marty being able to have full control and free range, which honestly it seems like he has. I think Harbs really trust him. I just want the same voices in the ears of these players. I think the players could make a seamless transition into whatever system Marty wants to run because I don't think it'll be anything crazy like the wildcat or spread option. 

We can talk about the offense not getting it together two seasons in a row, but we have to factor into account everything. Marty was just added 5-6 weeks ago, did a really expect the offense to just take off? Even if we did, once you realized that the oline has had like 12 different starting combinations this season alone, a deep TE group might very well come down to the two guys who were suspended to start the season as the best options at the position, the rookie RB you are so excited about is just getting his legs under him because of injury and your franchise QB is just starting to show signs that the knee is no longer a issue week 12 into the season and you can understand why the offense just isn't exploding. Again continuity is needed. If the Ravens can keep this oline unit intact for the rest of the season I think we'll see improvement.

I think the biggest difference between the Ravens and Cowboys in that game was the Cowboys just didn't have the type of penalties the Ravens did to stall drives. They had a total of 5 penalties and 3 of them came on offense. They had back to back penalties on the 1st and 30 drive and another penalty during the 2min drive before half where they were already in FG range. But also the Cowboys have an identity on offense, they've been together for 4-5 years and some of those players much longer. Dez, Witten, Beasley, Free, Smith and Leary have all been with this team since 2012 or longer. That's atleast 5 years together. Williams and Fredrick were added in 13 and Martin in 14, that's 9 out of their 11 starters who has been together for years. Than they just added to really good rookies to the mix. Also over the last 3 years, the Cowboys have had at least 4 of their 5 starting Oline play a total of 90% of the offensive snaps each season, which mean they aren't missing time. The Ravens can't say that on either account. Only Joe, Yanda, Juice and Pitta have been here longer than 4 years. The Ravens need continuity. 

 

Sorry for the late response. Been busy lately and for some odd reason I don't get notifications when I get a response. 

Anyways, change isn't always the worst thing. We changed OCs and the offensive system from Caldwell to Kubiak after running Cameron's system for a good four years and it produced Joe's best year. It's not always about continuity if Joe is able to have his best year in the first year of an offensive system change. I think the bigger part is obviously the OC you have to work with and whether Marty is that guy remains to be seen. At the moment, if the offense continues the same trend, then I'm not concerned with continuity, I'm concerned with what isn't working. We had continuity with Cam Cameron for four years and what did that do for the offense? Now Cameron obviously had his flaws but in his case, continuity isn't always the answer, as the change pushed this team to a SB. Now the argument to be had here is that we had a more complete team with Caldwell's takeover, but that didn't help Cameron's case during his run, it was obvious that the OC change was a boost to the team. Kubiak took over a dreadful 2013 Ravens offense that just added Steve Smith Sr., Jeremy Zuttah and Owen Daniels, outside of Steve Smith Sr., neither of those two are Pro Bowl talent. They promoted Ricky Wagner (Who stepped up and was a great fit for the ZBS). Let's not forget there were times when the OL was a patchwork with injuries to Eugene Monroe and K.O.

As far as Marty's takover goes, I don't think the offense has done much to warrant him to keep his job at OC. You can talk about the OL's performance but against the Cowboys they were pretty solid outside of the penalties. Another thing I would also point out is that this is Joe's best 1-2 duo of WRs he's ever had. Mike Wallace is certainly better than Torrey ever was and Steve Smith is better than Boldin IMO, you would expect more production. I think Marty is a good coach but I don't think the offense has done anything to say that he keeps his job there, he's definitely in consideration because he's the OC at the moment but I don't believe he's someone who will stick around just because he didn't have enough time. If a better candidate rolls along, exp. Sean Payton, Hue Jackson (If Cle goes 0-16, its possible he gets canned his first year), Mike McCoy, or someone of that caliber roles around, then yeah, I would prefer them. Now people would argue that these are guys who can easily land HC gigs next year but we did take that shot with Kubiak and it paid off. We wouldn't have lost him if he didn't find his dream job in Denver. I think these guys, who experience the headache of poor franchises would rather take the best opportunity.

I wouldn't expect the offense to be elite, but since Marty has taken over things haven't been great. Is the offense did improved, it wasn't by much to be honest.  

Now, I should probably clarify something as well. I would be just as open to a coordinator change as I would be to a system change. It's obvious that Marc Trestman couldn't run the offensive system like Gary Kubiak could, I personally think Kubiak worked very well for Flacco and that he's been a difference as to why the offense couldn't preform well. Kubiak is the best at running his own offense and it might be the case that others couldn't do it. We've still made adjustments to this offense, it isn't completely Kubiak's but most of the concept that was made and everything that goes to him, so it would make sense if him and a few other people could run it to an extent. 

Edited November 29, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I know he's entrenched at Michigan, and doubt his ego would ever let him work under his brother... but itd be pretty cool to have Jim come on board as OC. He did wonders with Kaep and Alex Smith. Made them both Super Bowl level QBs. I imagine he would be able to take Joe to new heights as well.

Plus there'd be the cohesion of ideas between HC and OC... plus having 2 of the best maybe 3-5 coaches on this planet as part of the staff. And a great HC succession plan if you ever need to let go of John (though i also highly doubt Jim would take over a job vacated by his brother).

Fun to think about... but unless Johns around for another 5 years i dont think Jim will ever be in a job move during a time when John would be searching for an OC in Baltimore.

[Deflated Football]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I know he's entrenched at Michigan, and doubt his ego would ever let him work under his brother... but itd be pretty cool to have Jim come on board as OC. He did wonders with Kaep and Alex Smith. Made them both Super Bowl level QBs. I imagine he would be able to take Joe to new heights as well.

Plus there'd be the cohesion of ideas between HC and OC... plus having 2 of the best maybe 3-5 coaches on this planet as part of the staff. And a great HC succession plan if you ever need to let go of John (though i also highly doubt Jim would take over a job vacated by his brother).

Fun to think about... but unless Johns around for another 5 years i dont think Jim will ever be in a job move during a time when John would be searching for an OC in Baltimore.

Oh my gosh this would be amazing. Don't play with my emotions. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Does it really matter who the OC is? Our offense has sucked since Testeverde was here. 

There must be some Ravens Offensive Mission Statement that says, Defense and Special Teams will get us to the playoffs, who needs Offense.

Somebody needs to bring in a playbook that actually works, like Kubiak did, because we are perennially Offensively Challenged. 

[VermontRaven]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I know he's entrenched at Michigan, and doubt his ego would ever let him work under his brother... but itd be pretty cool to have Jim come on board as OC. He did wonders with Kaep and Alex Smith. Made them both Super Bowl level QBs. I imagine he would be able to take Joe to new heights as well.

Plus there'd be the cohesion of ideas between HC and OC... plus having 2 of the best maybe 3-5 coaches on this planet as part of the staff. And a great HC succession plan if you ever need to let go of John (though i also highly doubt Jim would take over a job vacated by his brother).

Fun to think about... but unless Johns around for another 5 years i dont think Jim will ever be in a job move during a time when John would be searching for an OC in Baltimore.

I actually want no part of Jim. He's too much of a crybaby and likes to bring attention to himself. Like how he used his press conference after losing to ohio state to whine about refs (i hate ohio state and was hoping michigan would win-but that was not a classy move by Jim)

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, VermontRaven said:

I actually want no part of Jim. He's too much of a crybaby and likes to bring attention to himself. Like how he used his press conference after losing to ohio state to whine about refs (i hate ohio state and was hoping michigan would win-but that was not a classy move by Jim)

1. Kind of hard to argue it wasn't classy.

2. He had every reason to gripe at the refs.

3. It was most likely a calculated decision to do so, and in some ways, was brilliant. He's planting a seed in the Selection Committee's minds that his team losing to Ohio State (a game everybody thinks they largely dominated) was more due to poor officiating than something his team could actually control.

Its not quite that simple, but its somewhat of a valid argument. 

[RaineV1]

13 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Does it really matter who the OC is? Our offense has sucked since Testeverde was here. 

There must be some Ravens Offensive Mission Statement that says, Defense and Special Teams will get us to the playoffs, who needs Offense.

Somebody needs to bring in a playbook that actually works, like Kubiak did, because we are perennially Offensively Challenged. 

Actually, the offense while Testeverde was QB was amazing. It ranked as one of the best in the NFL. Also, while Kubiak was here, it was in the top half of the league and the offense won a lot of games for the team due to the DB position being a dumpster fire that year. Hell, even when the Ravens won their last Super Bowl it was more because of some offensive players (like Flacco) playing on a higher level than we've ever seen from a Ravens' player before (offensively speaking).

Edited November 29, 2016 by RaineV1

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

I actually want no part of Jim. He's too much of a crybaby and likes to bring attention to himself. Like how he used his press conference after losing to ohio state to whine about refs (i hate ohio state and was hoping michigan would win-but that was not a classy move by Jim)

It would obviously never happen for the reasons mentioned and the fact that I can't see him taking anything less than a HC job anywhere unless for some reason he has some childhood dream of coaching with his bro. 

But in this fantasty hypothetical - turning down an opportunity to get Jim Harbaugh on your staff bc you don't like his personality or how he acts in press conferences is a mistake. 

Hes developed ELITE programs everywhere he's been and in pretty short order. Stanford, SF, and now Michigan. 

His offenses work. He excels at adapting his offense to the skill set of his players. He gets the most out of his QBs and has gotten otherwise mediocre QBs to play at an elite, SB caliber level. 

SF let him go for similar reasons to the ones youve mentioned and look what happened to them. Half the team bailed/retired, a guy who looked like maybe the best up and coming QB in the league has regressed to borderline starter ability, and they're a joke of a franchise. 

Last year at Michigan before he really even had an opportunity to recruit and fill out his own roster, he led them to a complete turnaround and in just his second year has a program that hadn't been relevant in YEARS among arguably the top 3 programs in the nation. 

 

The guy is a competitor. A winner. And he's gotten elite QB play with far less talent than Joe. 

That's all that matters. The rest is just noise. 

Plus usually when he's taking attention publicly it's to take negative attention off his players. It's obvious that guys LOVE playing for him. He gets every drop of ability out of his players and then some. If you wouldn't want him here... especially as OC under John, man, I just don't understand. 

Edited November 30, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

5 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Actually, the offense while Testeverde was QB was amazing. It ranked as one of the best in the NFL. Also, while Kubiak was here, it was in the top half of the league and the offense won a lot of games for the team due to the DB position being a dumpster fire that year. Hell, even when the Ravens won their last Super Bowl it was more because of some offensive players (like Flacco) playing on a higher level than we've ever seen from a Ravens' player before (offensively speaking).

You kinda said what I said, Testaverde offense, and Kubes offense worked- everything else was a dumpster fire, almost looks like a team philosophy, with a new OC window dressing

[Ravensfan23]

@PurpleCity5 your post was too long to quote, but it was a lot of good points in there. 

I'll start with the continuity not being important and change not being a bad thing. I honestly think we saw the SB run and Kubes coming in as exceptions to the rule a bit. Caldwell came in and provided a spark and typical Joe he just got hot in the playoffs imo. During that 7 game run between Cladwell taking over and the SB game, Flacco completed 60% or more of his passes only 2 times. It was the deep ball that covered up a lot of the flaws with the offense. If you look at the full 23 game total of Caldwell being here, Joe completed 60% or better a total of 8 times. Also while there was change at the OC position, it wasn't much change to position players. Birk, Yanda and Oher all had been together since 2009. Boldin, Pitta and Rice were Flacco's favorite targets and all those guys were together since 2010 at least. So while there was change at the OC position, there was plenty of continuity on the offense. 

Than Kubes was so special because he's a master at running his offense and he brought i about 5 guys to help him coach it. Joe had his best season with Kubes, but how much better would he have been if he could have stayed in that offense under Kubes for 5 years or so? The fact that Flacco can have such success in the mist of constant change shows how good of a QB he is imo. We all wanna see Flacco be more consistent and I think having continuity is the start. 

As for Marty, I think the offense is clearly better. The numbers aren't showing it so far but just watching the games you can see it. I won't give him all the credit for the offensive design looking better than under Trestman because you are seeing a healthier oline and Flacco under Marty. However the run game is stronger, as you mentioned the oline is performing better and the passing game is more creative. Stats don't tell the full story always. Mike Wallace is in the top 10 in receiving and if SSS wasn't injured for 3 games he' probably be right up there a well. That duo is really starting to perform well together and I think Marty scheming the offense has something to do with it.

[jazz1988]

11 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

 

As far as Marty's takover goes, I don't think the offense has done much to warrant him to keep his job at OC. You can talk about the OL's performance but against the Cowboys they were pretty solid outside of the penalties. Another thing I would also point out is that this is Joe's best 1-2 duo of WRs he's ever had. Mike Wallace is certainly better than Torrey ever was and Steve Smith is better than Boldin IMO, you would expect more production. I think Marty is a good coach but I don't think the offense has done anything to say that he keeps his job there, he's definitely in consideration because he's the OC at the moment but I don't believe he's someone who will stick around just because he didn't have enough time. If a better candidate rolls along, exp. Sean Payton, Hue Jackson (If Cle goes 0-16, its possible he gets canned his first year), Mike McCoy, or someone of that caliber roles around, then yeah, I would prefer them. Now people would argue that these are guys who can easily land HC gigs next year but we did take that shot with Kubiak and it paid off. We wouldn't have lost him if he didn't find his dream job in Denver. I think these guys, who experience the headache of poor franchises would rather take the best opportunity.

I wouldn't expect the offense to be elite, but since Marty has taken over things haven't been great. Is the offense did improved, it wasn't by much to be honest.  

Now, I should probably clarify something as well. I would be just as open to a coordinator change as I would be to a system change. It's obvious that Marc Trestman couldn't run the offensive system like Gary Kubiak could, I personally think Kubiak worked very well for Flacco and that he's been a difference as to why the offense couldn't preform well. Kubiak is the best at running his own offense and it might be the case that others couldn't do it. We've still made adjustments to this offense, it isn't completely Kubiak's but most of the concept that was made and everything that goes to him, so it would make sense if him and a few other people could run it to an extent. 

 

Gary Kubiak did pay off  but I doubt Joe Flacco wouldn't have been so much better if he had stayed for another season. Joe Flacco needs to be in a offensive system that can be ran for many years to come . I don't think he needs a one and done offensive coordinator like Gary Kubiak. Guys like Mike McCoy, Sean Payton and Hue Jackson chances of lasting longer than one year as The Ravens offensive coordinator probably aren't high at all. When The Ravens bought in Gary Kubiak  he was able to bring in some of his own coaching staff and I think that's one of the important factors of  why the offense was so successful last year. It's one thing for a offensive coordinator to call plays but it's another thing when the offensive coordinator has  position coaches that know his scheme and are on the same page of what the scheme is required and how the offensive coordinator likes to get things done.

 

If I'm John Harbaugh and Marty M is my guy after the season  then I would be trying to target coaches that's going to be willing to be on the same page as Marty M . I think it definitely needs to start at quarterback coach and  guys on that list would be Jim Zorn, Greg Olson, James Urban(if Marvin Lewis is fired), and Pat Shurmur(if The Vikings decided to let him go ). All those guys have either worked with Marty M before or come from coaches that he him self learned from/worked for. Gary Kubiak had Rick Dennison as his quarterback coach when he was with The Ravens   whom both have worked together for many years and  I think that definitely helped with Joe Flacco having  one  of his better years in his career.