Candidates to be the next OC

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

That's a good thing. Look at the people who post on here. If I'm getting negged, it means I said something intelligent that they didn't like.

Its a compliment bud.

God I love you 

[BmoreBird22]

11 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

As is the case pretty much 100% of the time, they complement each other. That's how the great OC/great QB marriage works.

I personally would also expect a so called "genius" OC to have much better home/road splits, particularly given the talent.

It's more the fact that Brees goes from a solid, Pro Bowl caliber player to a first ballot HoF and a top 5 QB ever. It was an astronomical leap in production from SD to NO in just one season AFTER a torn labrum threatened his career.

Sure, they compliment each other, but this is more than a compliment. Payton just knows how to run an offense.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

That's a good thing. Look at the people who post on here. If I'm getting negged, it means I said something intelligent that they didn't like.

Its a compliment bud.

Or it just means your reputation for arguing every single thing someone says outdoes your posts.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Or it just means your reputation for arguing every single thing someone says outdoes your posts.

Hmmm.... this sounds more plausible.

 

he makes good points. Most people acknowledge it. It's not why he gets negged. It's the way he goes about it

[Ravensfan23]

I personally don't think the Ravens need a new OC, at least not right now. I find it hard to believe that with a team that has had so much offensive change during the past 5 years, the first thing that fans want to do is change OCs when the offense isn't lighting it up after 5-6 weeks of a new OC being in charge.

The oline actually looked really good in the Dallas game, the running game looked creative and dominant at times and even the passing game was on save a few missed opportunities. What really did the team in was again penalties but overall the offense has seemed to have better direction over the last 2 weeks. Now I think it's just finding the right pieces. Small adjustments like getting Waller more snaps at TE #1 because he's more capable of creating separation from LBs and Safeties than Pitta. You gotta get Perriman more opportunities. I could see if he was struggling but he's not, slot him into that #3 WR position and make sure he gets 5-6 targets per game and 2-3 of them should be deep. 

I like what we've seen from Dixon and West the last 2 weeks. I think Dixon will only get better now that he's getting his legs under him. Wouldn't be surprised to see him start vs the Bengals. 

If this unit can play the rest of the season I think the stats and points will start to show how much better the offense is playing. Gotta get the penalties under wraps though.

[PurpleCity5]

21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'm fine with this, as long as fans won't be hypocritical about it. 

Rarely an offense I've ever seen that was installed and integrated in year 1 that was playing at an extremely high level. Requires the right kind of personnel to run the system and, yes, continuity.

I'm willing to start over, as long as fans aren't hypocritical when the offense doesn't produce like they would like in year 1. Based on what I've seen around here, patience and realistic expectations are very, very, very rare in here.

Which is quite sad.

Agreed, you really don't see offenses take off just like that, with that said I think an overhaul is definitely in the cards or even likely if the team fails to miss playoffs and the offense continues its dreadful run. 

[PurpleCity5]

2 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I personally don't think the Ravens need a new OC, at least not right now. I find it hard to believe that with a team that has had so much offensive change during the past 5 years, the first thing that fans want to do is change OCs when the offense isn't lighting it up after 5-6 weeks of a new OC being in charge.

The oline actually looked really good in the Dallas game, the running game looked creative and dominant at times and even the passing game was on save a few missed opportunities. What really did the team in was again penalties but overall the offense has seemed to have better direction over the last 2 weeks. Now I think it's just finding the right pieces. Small adjustments like getting Waller more snaps at TE #1 because he's more capable of creating separation from LBs and Safeties than Pitta. You gotta get Perriman more opportunities. I could see if he was struggling but he's not, slot him into that #3 WR position and make sure he gets 5-6 targets per game and 2-3 of them should be deep. 

I like what we've seen from Dixon and West the last 2 weeks. I think Dixon will only get better now that he's getting his legs under him. Wouldn't be surprised to see him start vs the Bengals. 

If this unit can play the rest of the season I think the stats and points will start to show how much better the offense is playing. Gotta get the penalties under wraps though.

I don't think its the OC that some people want to change, I'd say its the offensive system. There's a good argument for it as well. We talk a lot about continuity but its been dreadful on the offensive end since Kubiak's departure. Why talk about continuity if the offense isn't getting it together two seasons in a row? Pointless to talk about continuity if the offense continuously under-preforms. This is why I'm fine with changing the system if the offense continues the same trend. 

As far as the Dallas game goes, it sucks seeing the run game-pass game( To a degree)-OL all preforming and seeing the team put up 17 points on offense. Not something to be desired there. Dallas did have some holding calls as well on the OL and I believe that most of their penalties came on the offense. Not that it effected them as much as it effected us because we did deal with penalties off of 1st downs. I have to look back on it but you'll never play a penalty free game. Focus should absolutely be cutting down the penalties on offense. 

On the topic of penalties, they have consistently killed drive and I believe we are on pace for 1.166 penalties yardage, which would be most in team history. Awful, just terrible.  

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't think its the OC that some people want to change, I'd say its the offensive system. There's a good argument for it as well. We talk a lot about continuity but its been dreadful on the offensive end since Kubiak's departure. Why talk about continuity if the offense isn't getting it together two seasons in a row? Pointless to talk about continuity if the offense continuously under-preforms. This is why I'm fine with changing the system if the offense continues the same trend. 

As far as the Dallas game goes, it sucks seeing the run game-pass game( To a degree)-OL all preforming and seeing the team put up 17 points on offense. Not something to be desired there. Dallas did have some holding calls as well on the OL and I believe that most of their penalties came on the offense. Not that it effected them as much as it effected us because we did deal with penalties off of 1st downs. I have to look back on it but you'll never play a penalty free game. Focus should absolutely be cutting down the penalties on offense. 

On the topic of penalties, they have consistently killed drive and I believe we are on pace for 1.166 penalties yardage, which would be most in team history. Awful, just terrible.  

I wouldn't mind the change, however how can you have continuity with change being so continuous? I'm all for Marty being able to have full control and free range, which honestly it seems like he has. I think Harbs really trust him. I just want the same voices in the ears of these players. I think the players could make a seamless transition into whatever system Marty wants to run because I don't think it'll be anything crazy like the wildcat or spread option. 

We can talk about the offense not getting it together two seasons in a row, but we have to factor into account everything. Marty was just added 5-6 weeks ago, did a really expect the offense to just take off? Even if we did, once you realized that the oline has had like 12 different starting combinations this season alone, a deep TE group might very well come down to the two guys who were suspended to start the season as the best options at the position, the rookie RB you are so excited about is just getting his legs under him because of injury and your franchise QB is just starting to show signs that the knee is no longer a issue week 12 into the season and you can understand why the offense just isn't exploding. Again continuity is needed. If the Ravens can keep this oline unit intact for the rest of the season I think we'll see improvement.

I think the biggest difference between the Ravens and Cowboys in that game was the Cowboys just didn't have the type of penalties the Ravens did to stall drives. They had a total of 5 penalties and 3 of them came on offense. They had back to back penalties on the 1st and 30 drive and another penalty during the 2min drive before half where they were already in FG range. But also the Cowboys have an identity on offense, they've been together for 4-5 years and some of those players much longer. Dez, Witten, Beasley, Free, Smith and Leary have all been with this team since 2012 or longer. That's atleast 5 years together. Williams and Fredrick were added in 13 and Martin in 14, that's 9 out of their 11 starters who has been together for years. Than they just added to really good rookies to the mix. Also over the last 3 years, the Cowboys have had at least 4 of their 5 starting Oline play a total of 90% of the offensive snaps each season, which mean they aren't missing time. The Ravens can't say that on either account. Only Joe, Yanda, Juice and Pitta have been here longer than 4 years. The Ravens need continuity. 

 

[The Raven]

On 11/23/2016 at 1:23 PM, Deflated Football said:

Unpopular opinion: I'd rather have Sean Payton as head coach and calling the offensive plays instead of having Harbaugh as head coach. 

I have long been an unyielding supporter of Harbaugh but I would have him fired yesterday if it meant having Sean Payton.

[The Raven]

In detail, I'm inclined to give Marty a full season next year, unless we want to start all over. I think Marty has done, well, not bad. I'd love to give him a year where he gets to be "the guy" from day 1 of OTAs. I want him to have say over what offensive personnel he wants in FA and the draft. I want him to install his system the way he wants to. I kinda like Marty. He's not a bad coordinator.

[edthehead]

On 11/23/2016 at 7:00 PM, Deflated Football said:

He is rah-rah. Are you in the film room with him? He's a Special Teams guy. Rex and Pagano are defensive geniuses, albeit mediocre head coaches. Why have we blown so many fourth quarter leads if Harbaugh is so intelligent when it comes to defense? Shouldn't he take Pees to the side and say "hey, enough with the prevent and let's get back organized chaos."

You Ravens fans are so content with mediocrity. He inherited this team from Ray Lewis and Ed Reed (two defensive minds). His record since 2013 is 28-30. That's the definition of mediocre. He's not even .500.

It's time for some new blood. Another top ten pick and I hope we give Sean Payton a call. 

Why exactly do you think Sean wouldn't be good for them North? 

lol

they not ready for the truth, fans here want to make sure we have sunken into the abyss 

before anybody acknowledge our situation, I have never been a harb fan but I do support him

I do think he inherited a team and some how we have gone down,

facts are facts, 

20 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Payton and Haley both run a West Coast offense so what's your point? 5-5 and leading a division is nothing to write home about. That's the definition of mediocrity. 

5-5 is mediocrity , average , even , moderate , regular ,common, fair, medium , general, standard , usual,

and my favorite "SO SO". 

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, edthehead said:

lol

they not ready for the truth, fans here want to make sure we have sunken into the abyss 

before anybody acknowledge our situation, I have never been a harb fan but I do support him

I do think he inherited a team and some how we have gone down,

facts are facts, 

5-5 is mediocrity , average , even , moderate , regular ,common, fair, medium , general, standard , usual,

and my favorite "SO SO". 

And 9-7 can get you a SB...

Welcome to the wonderful world of the NFL.

[RavensFanMania]

On 11/23/2016 at 1:46 PM, Deflated Football said:

Idk, there's a lot of Harbaugh lovers around here. I think he inherited a good team, not so much built it, and he's not an X's and O's guy, but more of a motivator. I want an offensive genius running this team. 

More often than not offensive geniuses fail as head coaches. Now I'd definitely prefer if harbaugh was an offensive coordinator and hired an oc to run the offense.  Since he was a special teams coordinator we have to replace oc every time we lose one.

That being said he's a damn good coach and the players love playing for him and totally respect him.

Edited November 25, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[RavensFanMania]

On 11/23/2016 at 3:40 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

In general, many teams hire a HC with a background in the segment of the game where that team had most recently been struggling.

 

Excepts the Jets

[edthehead]

I have always said we have a good team but something is missing, I really think it is the coaches,

while everybody is on the great Kubiack  train understand the year before was very bad so we played a soft schedule 

we are missing something,

for me I think it's attitude, again not a harb fan but this is not meant to degrade him

I think harb as a HC wanted a certain player and it stripped away our attitude

  

 

[edthehead]

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And 9-7 can get you a SB...

Welcome to the wonderful world of the NFL.

if that was to happen harb would have my full support(not that he cares) lol

all jokes aside , I live in Atlanta but would travel home to cut his grass for the summer,

while wearing a T shirt saying "I love harb"

park heights  I  coming I am coming home,

not,

[RavensFanMania]

15 hours ago, The Raven said:

In detail, I'm inclined to give Marty a full season next year, unless we want to start all over. I think Marty has done, well, not bad. I'd love to give him a year where he gets to be "the guy" from day 1 of OTAs. I want him to have say over what offensive personnel he wants in FA and the draft. I want him to install his system the way he wants to. I kinda like Marty. He's not a bad coordinator.

I like Marty as well, but I still believe we are abandoning the run a little too soon.  However depending on how we do the rest of the season, I'd like to give him a full season.  I also agree installing his system, rather than working with Trestmans system would be good for the team.

[BmoreBird22]

14 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

More often than not offensive geniuses fail as head coaches.

Off the top of my head, recently Billick, McCarthy, and Payton won a SB, so this really isn't terribly true.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Off the top of my head, recently Billick, McCarthy, and Payton won a SB, so this really isn't terribly true.

With the way the Dolphins are turning things around, Gase could also prove to be an offensive guy that becomes a pretty good head coach. There's one more that could be added to the list.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

With the way the Dolphins are turning things around, Gase could also prove to be an offensive guy that becomes a pretty good head coach. There's one more that could be added to the list.

He was the one I wanted more than anyone in 2015, but I guess the Ravens feared losing another OC after one season.

[gtalk12]

We have not been playing disciplined football, we are killing ourselves more often then not with constant calls.....to me that was the difference, everything else looked fine to me vs the Cowboys....we moved the ball well but it seemed like after some big plays the offense would find a way to shoot itself with a call, especially the offensive line.

 

I don't know how calling for a new OC when we had over 120 yards in penalties is going to help.....youre going to have a difficult time winning after big play after big play is negated by a call when you were trying to get some momentum

[gtalk12]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He was the one I wanted more than anyone in 2015, but I guess the Ravens feared losing another OC after one season.

It sucks but it seems like that's how it's going to be considering how many coaches get fired

[flynismo]

On 11/24/2016 at 0:28 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

That's a good thing. Look at the people who post on here. If I'm getting negged, it means I said something intelligent that they didn't like.

Its a compliment bud.

Sad but true. The neg button is the new safe place for mental midgets to hide from the meanies who have different opinions.

On topic, why not offer Payton a position as OC, and pay him HC money? All he can do is say no. I suspect he may be open to an offer like that.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

Sad but true. The neg button is the new safe place for mental midgets to hide from the meanies who have different opinions.

On topic, why not offer Payton a position as OC, and pay him HC money? All he can do is say no. I suspect he may be open to an offer like that.

1. Because Payton is employed as a HC of a team right now and there's really no reason to think that's going to change.

2. He would have plenty of HC opportunities that pay him just as much if he were to be fired. So why would he take an OC job that pays the same when he can get a HC job with all of the same responsibilities?

[JoeyFlex5]

On 11/24/2016 at 10:25 PM, edthehead said:

I have always said we have a good team but something is missing, I really think it is the coaches,

while everybody is on the great Kubiack  train understand the year before was very bad so we played a soft schedule 

we are missing something,

for me I think it's attitude, again not a harb fan but this is not meant to degrade him

I think harb as a HC wanted a certain player and it stripped away our attitude

  

 

our play from the season prior only affects 2 games on our entire schedule. we have 6 division games, each division faces off 2 divisions, this year the north plays the afc east and nfc east, which accounts for 8 games, you then have 2 remaining games which are based on your divisional standing the year prior, we finished 3rd, so we drew the 3rd place teams from the  afc south and afc west, one of those teams happened to have a huge and expected turnaround to the point that they went from 3rd place in the west to SB contenders. our previous year in no way gave us a soft schedule.

[jazz1988]

On 11/24/2016 at 10:25 PM, edthehead said:

I have always said we have a good team but something is missing, I really think it is the coaches,

while everybody is on the great Kubiack  train understand the year before was very bad so we played a soft schedule 

we are missing something,

for me I think it's attitude, again not a harb fan but this is not meant to degrade him

I think harb as a HC wanted a certain player and it stripped away our attitude

  

 

 

I don't know if I can believe that because Steve Smith definitely has attitude and John Harbaugh loves him. I can't really think of many outspoken players or players with attitude that's been available in the draft or free agency since 2013. I think those type of players are really hard to find but I don't think this teams lacks attitude.

[flynismo]

6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Because Payton is employed as a HC of a team right now and there's really no reason to think that's going to change.

2. He would have plenty of HC opportunities that pay him just as much if he were to be fired. So why would he take an OC job that pays the same when he can get a HC job with all of the same responsibilities?

1. I know, just playing along with the hypothetical scenario

2. I think that's exactly why he'd be open to it. If someone is offered two different positions for the same pay, and one position comes with much less responsibilities than the other, most people are going to take the "easier" job. It'd be great if he can focus on nothing but just ways to improve the offense and system, and tailor it to our players.

[terrynjulia03]

I'm in the camp of let Marty continue. Let him have a say in players this offseason am deathly implement what he wants to do. We change OCs like underwear. He's not going to get a HC gig, doubt he even wants one. Time to just get some continuity on that side of the ball. 

[Deflated Football]

On 11/24/2016 at 9:37 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

Or it just means your reputation for arguing every single thing someone says outdoes your posts.

He was never heard from since 

[Deflated Football]

Fact of the matter is, our offense is stale. With the weapons we have, we should be explosive. I understand the offensive line excuse, but Flacco had pretty good protection against Dallas and only had one touchdown and our ground attack was below average. Our TOP sucks because we can't pound the rock consistently like we did with Rice, McGahee and McClain. This has to do with game planning.

 

Since Kubiak (an offensive genius) left, we've been god awful, so what do you do? You go out and get yourself a like-minded playcaller. I'm not seeing that with Marty. This is why I would hire Payton in a heartbeat, either as a head coach or an offensive coordinator. Harbaugh delivers motivational speeches and says the same thing every single press conference. Again, he's not an X's and O's guy, but I LOVE HIM TO DEATH for helping us win a Super Bowl, but a lot of that credit goes to Flacco and his spectacular playoff run. Something has to change. Nobody here can say with a straight face that our offense is fine.