Candidates to be the next OC

[ellicottraven]

7 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Pretty interesting article on this up on the front page.  Is this what saves Marty's job?

 

It shouldn't because our offense has been putrid at best. The article is attributable to quotes from two players Flacco and Pitta. What do they have in common? They both had stellar stats purely because of the disgusting pass to run ratios which was like 80:20! Let's not forget that Flacco had the most pass attempts in the league alongside Brees. But Brees through for almost 5000 yds and had 35 TD. And Pitta was the main beneficiary of passes from Flacco but still missed crucial and important catches. He however met all his incentive goals. It just reeks and I would be mighty troubled if Marty came back! If he does come back and the Ravens perform as miserably on offense again, then Harbs would be a mid-season casualty and be fired.

[RavensFanMania]

28 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Furthermore, if this is true, I hope he's gone. I can live with Pees, we lack certain things in the defense he's not at fault for. But the offense has a lot of talent going forward and I think it's clear as day he's the biggest problem. He abandons the run way too often which honestly is something our QB needs. Keeping Marty here is the dumbest possible move we could make. 

 

Thanks Harbaugh. I'm officially off your bandwagon if this is true. 

Definitely an overreaction.

 If it's true and we are keeping Marty, it's quite possible that we believe allowing him to install his offense instead of running Trestmans offense, plus allowing for some consistency as well as some input into personnel in the offseason is better for the team overall.  

They also probably feel that our offense has performed better the last several games, not including the last game, of course.  

I certainly hope Marty works out, but this does mot make me jump from th Harbaugh train.  He is a very good and well respected coach around the league and manages a team very well.  With the type of change and injuries that we have had over the years we still remain competitive week in and week out.

Edited January 2 by RavensFanMania

[ellicottraven]

5 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

I still think Kubiak would be the best option for QB coach, he really worked with Joe when he was here before and I think Joe improved a lot under Kubiak.  Maybe QB coach wouldn't be such a stressful job for Kubiak as an OC position would.  I would like to see Dennison as the OC. With Kubiak working on Joe's fundamentals to get them straightened out, and Dennison as OC I think we might see a marked improvement with our offense.  Honestly, I think Marty just has to go at this point or we will just have more of the same in 2017.   If not this option then I could get onboard with Kyle S. or M. McCoy.  

But we definitely need a change with something new to spark our offensive game strategy.  We need someone who can strategize for opposing defenses, utilize our talent by playing to our guys strengths and giving them the chance to make plays,  and adapt in- game, imho.

But, man Joe will be in his 10th year! Are we still worried about his mechanics and does he still really need somebody in his ear on game day? I hope not. I suppose it is what it is at this point. If a QB coach will help Flacco limit his mistakes and play smart football, then I suppose an investment in a QB coach is worth it, especially considering the sizable investment we've made in Flacco.

[Ravensfan23]

21 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I wouldn't overthink what Flacco and Pitta said. Jeff Z tweeted that they don't want to throw Marty under the bus. Hell, Dennis might not even be here himself next season. 

But they, especially Pitta were willing to throw Marc under the bus midseason? Flacco was willing to stand toe to toe with Marty at one point this season and now all of the sudden when the season is over you don't wanna speak poorly against the man? I don't buy that personally. I think both Flacco and Pitta spoke their mind and true feelings there. Now does that mean Marty stays no, but we'll see. 

Also it would make sense that both Joe and Pitta would speak well of Marty, they both had career years under him lol. 

[BmoreBird22]

16 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Pretty interesting article on this up on the front page.  Is this what saves Marty's job?

 

You know the writers on here are super biased when they call Philli and NE strong offensive performances.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Was that when Cutler came?

Not sure, but I believe so.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Definitely an overreaction.

 If it's true and we are keeping Marty, it's quite possible that we believe allowing him to install his offense instead of running Trestmans offense, plus allowing for some consistency as well as some input into personnel in the offseason is better for the team overall.  

They also probably feel that our offense has performed better the last several games, not including the last game, of course.  

I certainly hope Marty works out, but this does mot make me jump from th Harbaugh train.  He is a very good and well respected coach around the league and manages a team very well.  With the type of change and injuries that we have had over the years we still remain competitive week in and week out.

 

 

Overreeaction sure, but it doesn't change my opinion. I'm not of the notion that Marty is a good fit here. I think that his lack of committment to the run game will ruin the team in the long run. I hope it's not true, but I doubt it to be totally honest. I'm of the notion that we should go get Wisenhunt, as he won't leave us, and let him do his thing. 

[mc_red23]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

You know the writers on here are super biased when they call Philli and NE strong offensive performances.

Especially when special teams plays put the offense in great positions to score.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

You know the writers on here are super biased when they call Philli and NE strong offensive performances.

Yep, load of let's pat ourselves on the back, we scored more than 20. It doesn't matter how ugly it looked like.

[BmoreBird22]

Two things.

1. As Bo Smolka said, it's not as if the Ravens couldn't run the ball; they straight up chose not to. The Ravens had a fairly decent 4.0 YPC and Kenneth Dixon showed at the end of the year that he can be a workhorse and really grind out those tough yards, especially when that defense begins to get worn out. 

2. I hate hearing this excuse of, "He was using Trestman's offense. Let him install his own." That's simply not a very valid argument. Every west coast offense in the NFL will have the exact same plays in the playbook. There is no variation. The receivers and Joe have practiced every single play and every single route. Marty made his own play sheets and had prior experience with the WCO and all the plays in that playbook. There's really no excuse for him there.

I will be disgusted if a change is not made.

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Not sure, but I believe so.

Question is, was it mostly Dennison's or Shanahan's stuff?

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Yep, load of let's pat ourselves on the back, we scored more than 20. It doesn't matter how ugly it looked like.

It's participation trophy central on the news front if that's how we view good games.

[RavensFanMania]

5 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Overreeaction sure, but it doesn't change my opinion. I'm not of the notion that Marty is a good fit here. I think that his lack of committment to the run game will ruin the team in the long run. I hope it's not true, but I doubt it to be totally honest. I'm of the notion that we should go get Wisenhunt, as he won't leave us, and let him do his thing. 

My first choice remains McCoy with Whisenhunt being 1b.  I'd like to have both of them.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Question is, was it mostly Dennison's or Shanahan's stuff?

I'd be very willing to bet Shanahan.

[rmw10]

I will be pissed if this team moves forward with Marty. I get the desire for consistency but that doesn't mean we should go with a mediocre option for the sake of it. 

[jazz1988]

19 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Regardless they're going to be learning a new system, Mornhinweg will want to instill his own system as well, he was rolling with Trestman's since taking over.

I'm not entirely sure if Marty M would make big changes especially since him and Trestman both run a west coast offense. Of course Marty M would implement more  plays from his own playbook if he was kept as The Ravens offensive coordinator  but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have build on Marc Trestman playbook going forward.

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I will be pissed if this team moves forward with Marty. I get the desire for consistency but that doesn't mean we should go with a mediocre option for the sake of it. 

Well, I am pissed that it took more than 24 hours already.

[RayRayRaven]

I don't want harball making the oc decision. Lets get a new HC and let the new man pic the OC.  If its more Harballin we will just be forestalling it another year

[Grapple Raven]

36 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

But, man Joe will be in his 10th year! Are we still worried about his mechanics and does he still really need somebody in his ear on game day? I hope not. I suppose it is what it is at this point. If a QB coach will help Flacco limit his mistakes and play smart football, then I suppose an investment in a QB coach is worth it, especially considering the sizable investment we've made in Flacco.

ellicottraven, I think that with Joe's injury he may have developed some bad habits with his fundamentals, like throwing off his back foot, and the psychological impact that such a major injury can bring on especially when your O-line is having major problems and you know your protection just isn't there, plus Marty wasn't known for getting plays out quickly either, all these things combined I think had a negative effect on Joe's fundamentals.  Plus coming back from injury, and having shoulder issues too.   I couldn't say I blame him, lol.  I probably would be looking to protect myself and do whatever I had to do too if I knew I had less than a nano second before my center was backing into me with defenders in my face.   Marty didn't really seem to help Joe as his QB coach either over the past few yrs., as most could see from all the comments of him throwing off his back foot, etc.    I just think Joe's fundamentals may need a little tweaking after the injury, and Kubiak would be the perfect choice to get him back on track. (and maybe it wouldn't be so stressful a job to prevent Kubiak from taking it, lol.)    Plus it wouldn't hurt Joe to be reminded about fundamentals and technique by a strong willed OC, after all this past season shows everyone could use a little sharpening of the tools, lol.   Anyway those were just my thoughts behind my opinion.

[Ravensfan23]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I will be pissed if this team moves forward with Marty. I get the desire for consistency but that doesn't mean we should go with a mediocre option for the sake of it. 

I think you might be pretty upset my friend. As I mentioned to you before, I think the players and Harbs are big fans of Marty and what he brings as the OC. I feel that the Ravens feel this offense just needs to be tweaked not overhauled and I can't say I blame them. Can the offense be fixed by self scouting and the guys growing in the offense or does it just need to be changed all together. 

Listening to Flacco I definitely think they feel it's just an adjustment thing. He talked about how plays were missed here and there. He spoke about how the lack of deep balls was more about the defense taking them away or the offense just not converting, more than a system thing. He talked about how running the ball more is important but how there were 6-8 additional passes added at the end of each half that made the passing totals higher. He spoke about the identity of the offense just needing to be more aggressive, but you have to have the players to do some of the things they want to do. Certainly didn't sound like a guy unhappy with the offense as a whole. Sounded more like a guy that was fairly happy with the progression of the offense and excited to build. Harbs has a presser tomorrow at 11am so I guess we'll see. 

[Sizzlebshu]

Tbh Morningwig didn't get a fair shot given the only system installed was Trestman's quicks systems. Morningwig has shown he is better and more balanced when given the opportunity so Im not totally opposed to giving him a year as hed get to install his own playbook. 

 

However, I'd like to see Den QB coach or Greg Roman i.e. someone with a real emphasis on running the ball creatively to get the job. 

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I think you might be pretty upset my friend. As I mentioned to you before, I think the players and Harbs are big fans of Marty and what he brings as the OC. I feel that the Ravens feel this offense just needs to be tweaked not overhauled and I can't say I blame them. Can the offense be fixed by self scouting and the guys growing in the offense or does it just need to be changed all together. 

Listening to Flacco I definitely think they feel it's just an adjustment thing. He talked about how plays were missed here and there. He spoke about how the lack of deep balls was more about the defense taking them away or the offense just not converting, more than a system thing. He talked about how running the ball more is important but how there were 6-8 additional passes added at the end of each half that made the passing totals higher. He spoke about the identity of the offense just needing to be more aggressive, but you have to have the players to do some of the things they want to do. Certainly didn't sound like a guy unhappy with the offense as a whole. Sounded more like a guy that was fairly happy with the progression of the offense and excited to build. Harbs has a presser tomorrow at 11am so I guess we'll see. 

I fear you might be right, and as always, I'll own up to it if it's the case.  I just think it would be an awful decision and puts Harbaugh's future in some very hot water if Marty doesn't improve on what he did this year.

[Ravensfan23]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I fear you might be right, and as always, I'll own up to it if it's the case.  I just think it would be an awful decision and puts Harbaugh's future in some very hot water if Marty doesn't improve on what he did this year.

I agree that the offense needs to improve. I'm not gonna deny that at all. But is Harbs future any less hot next year if he hand picks the new OC, say McCoy or Roman and neither guy really opens this offense up and gets the full potential out of it? The Ravens have to win next year, especially against teams they should beat or Harbs is gone imo. 

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I agree that the offense needs to improve. I'm not gonna deny that at all. But is Harbs future any less hot next year if he hand picks the new OC, say McCoy or Roman and neither guy really opens this offense up and gets the full potential out of it? The Ravens have to win next year, especially against teams they should beat or Harbs is gone imo. 

Based on how we played this year, we can't look at our '17 schedule and honestly say there are more than few teams we should beat.

[52520Andrew]

I am pretty surprised we haven't heard anything yet to be honest. Maybe tomorrow?

[K-Dog]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Treasman essentially keep Kubes system and just "teak it" , and Marty just kept Treasmans system and just kinda "tweaked it" so we really just have a Kubtreaswig system?

Maybe there is something to that......
Maybe.

[allblackraven]

Just now, K-Dog said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Treasman essentially keep Kubes system and just "teak it" , and Marty just kept Treasmans system and just kinda "tweaked it" so we really just have a Kubtreaswig system?

Maybe there is something to that......
Maybe.

If that's true, Trestman tweaked the hell out of Kubiak's playbook.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

We went through 2 OC's and have had the same exact problems. Look at Harb's. His finger prints are all over it. Stevie B needs to remind him that he is no offensive guru and to leave it to the guy that gets paid to run the offense. 

[rmw10]

In good news, Zrebiec seems to believe Flacco's and Pitta's comments were merely not to throw Marty under the bus.  Let's hope...

[jazz1988]

6 minutes ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

We went through 2 OC's and have had the same exact problems. Look at Harb's. His finger prints are all over it. Stevie B needs to remind him that he is no offensive guru and to leave it to the guy that gets paid to run the offense. 

If John Harbaugh is the reason why the offense preform badly then he probably wouldn't have fired Marc Trestman . I tend to believe John Harbaugh influence is on the defense more than the offense and I think he he gives his coordinator the room to do what they please play calling wise because he doesn't want to mess up their flow especially if it may seem like he's breathing down on their neck.