Candidates to be the next OC

[rmw10]

25 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

And WHO do you think is gonna become their HC? Cmon Dennison is from Denver. He's gonna get their HC gig, Kubes will make sure of that. 

It's not going to be Dennison. Elway already said as much. They already have it narrowed down to 3 or 4 candidates, all of which are outside of the organization. 

[allblackraven]

52 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Why hasn't Marty been fired yet 

There's too many coaches available as his replacement at the moment. Wait till the list is down to 1 + Roman.

[AsianRice]

Just now, allblackraven said:

There's too many good coaches available as his replacement at the moment. Wait till the list is down to 1 + Roman.

fixed...

 

SAD.....

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Not sure how I'd feel about Dennison tbh. How much of it was him in Houston? I know his thigh in Denver was poor but that's with a piss poor oline and young QBs and/or old Manning.

[Moderator 3]

Interesting comment, let the speculation begin:

	Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiecsun)
1/2/17, 3:21 PM Flacco said as far as he's concerned, Ravens have no uncertainty at offensive coordinator. Didn't elaborate.

 

[Deflated Football]

Just now, Moderator 3 said:

Interesting comment, let the speculation begin:

	Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiecsun)
1/2/17, 3:21 PM Flacco said as far as he's concerned, Ravens have no uncertainty at offensive coordinator. Didn't elaborate.

 

I saw that as well. He's probably just being respectful. Marty is as good as gone. 

[Ravensfan23]

The Ravens fan base is probably the only group of people who think Rick Dennison is a great or even good OC. Just because you've been around someone in that very same system for years doesn't mean you are great at running that system. There is a reason why Kubes has been the play caller regardless of where he's been and what title he's held. I have nothing against Dennison personally and all i know of him as a coach is he's done miserable whenever given a chance to run the offense in Kubes absence. Games he's been charged with running the offense and calling plays the team has looked terrible, even worse than the Ravens looked at times this year. I'm not saying the guy is bad but it seems people think he'll be good just because he's been around Kubiak. and that's not the case.

I think if the Ravens were confident that Dennison could be a strong OC they wouldn't have allowed him to go to Denver, they would have just blocked him from going.  

[RaineV1]

The fact that Joe didn't give specifics is really odd. Usually when a player is defending a coach he just comes out and says it.

[Ravensfan23]

Just now, Deflated Football said:

I saw that as well. He's probably just being respectful. Marty is as good as gone. 

Says who though? Just a couple of reporters guessing? I'm not saying he isn't gone. But the longer the Ravens take to make their decision public the more i'd have to think he stays. HC and OC positions will start filling up really quick and if you have your eyes on a guy you go get him now, don't wait until the dust settles. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Unless Harbaugh intends on keeping him as a QB coach.

which is possible. Remember he was the interim OC. We didn't "hire" him persae. I want him gone as much as the next guy, but we can't stop harbaugh.

 

If Harbaugh Kees him on, his job is as good as gone in my eyes. 

[Ravensfan23]

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

The fact that Joe didn't give specifics is really odd. Usually when a player is defending a coach he just comes out and says it.

I don't think Flacco was defending nor condemning Marty. In traditional Flacco fashion I took it as he's not worry about what's going to happen because he doesn't know. He wasn't consulted when Marty was hired and probably won't be involved in his firing or re-signing other than Harbs and Ozzie asking his opinion. So when reporters try to get something out of him, he's just gonna say there is no uncertainty because nobody has said anything to him. 

[jimmypowder]

Dennison is the best choice . He will run the Kubiak system which tailored the offense to Joe's strengths. 

I saw none of that under Trestman or Marty. 

 

[CalvinSmoke]

Not taking Kyle shannahan seems to have been the wrong decision in hind sight... He's had Atlanta humming.

[allblackraven]

14 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Dennison is the best choice . He will run the Kubiak system which tailored the offense to Joe's strengths. 

I saw none of that under Trestman or Marty. 

 

I don't get why people want Dennison. While he had major coaching roles on Broncos offense, Denver didn't do much at all, having only one very good season (2005) in 8 years. Texans mostly sucked as well until they beefed up their defense and made couple playoffs.

Edited January 2 by allblackraven

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't get why people want Dennison. While he had major coaching roles on Broncos offense, Denver didn't do much at all, having only one very good season (2005) in 8 years. Texans mostly sucked as well until they beefed up their defense and made couple playoffs.

Well, as far as Dennison goes, he was the "OC" from 2006-2008 and they went from 21>11>2 in terms of yardage.

[bMore Heathen]

Bring on Dennison!!!! He should be our number 1 target. That would be excellent!!

[rafahash]

44 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

The Ravens fan base is probably the only group of people who think Rick Dennison is a great or even good OC. Just because you've been around someone in that very same system for years doesn't mean you are great at running that system. There is a reason why Kubes has been the play caller regardless of where he's been and what title he's held. I have nothing against Dennison personally and all i know of him as a coach is he's done miserable whenever given a chance to run the offense in Kubes absence. Games he's been charged with running the offense and calling plays the team has looked terrible, even worse than the Ravens looked at times this year. I'm not saying the guy is bad but it seems people think he'll be good just because he's been around Kubiak. and that's not the case.

Totally agree with this.

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Well, as far as Dennison goes, he was the "OC" from 2006-2008 and they went from 21>11>2 in terms of yardage.

Was that when Cutler came?

[terrynjulia03]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

It's not going to be Dennison. Elway already said as much. They already have it narrowed down to 3 or 4 candidates, all of which are outside of the organization. 

True, they're looking at Kyle. Given Kubes was a Shannahan decouple, along with Dennison, but I bet he stays on as their OC. 

[terrynjulia03]

Another name being thrown around is Mike McCoy. I think he could build on Joes strengths and he's not stubborn with his system and has done well with various different types of QBs. 

[Moderator 3]

More on Flacco's comments (and some from Pitta)

	Jamison Hensley (@jamisonhensley)
1/2/17, 5:40 PM Joe Flacco doesn't anticipate a change at #Ravens' offensive coordinator es.pn/2iBQbcO

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

More on Flacco's comments (and some from Pitta)

	Jamison Hensley (@jamisonhensley)
1/2/17, 5:40 PM Joe Flacco doesn't anticipate a change at #Ravens' offensive coordinator es.pn/2iBQbcO

 

Expect the same old crap next season. Hate to be pessimistic but this is absurd. Harbaugh is here for one more year and then he's gone. 

[jazz1988]

3 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Not sure how I'd feel about Dennison tbh. How much of it was him in Houston? I know his thigh in Denver was poor but that's with a piss poor oline and young QBs and/or old Manning.

 
Whenever  Rick Dennsion was a offensive coordinator it was Gary Kubiak or Mike Shannahan calling the plays. The only time he ever had the opportunity to call plays was when Kubiak had to be hospitalized due to being sick.  Rick Dennsion for the most part is a teacher  and to my understanding is considered to be very intelligent. He's a big help to Gary Kubiak especially when it comes to installing/ teaching the zone blocking scheme to players and etc. Anything beyound that is no no which is probably why John Harbaugh didn't promote him to offensive coordinator in the first place.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Expect the same old crap next season. Hate to be pessimistic but this is absurd. Harbaugh is here for one more year and then he's gone. 

Furthermore, if this is true, I hope he's gone. I can live with Pees, we lack certain things in the defense he's not at fault for. But the offense has a lot of talent going forward and I think it's clear as day he's the biggest problem. He abandons the run way too often which honestly is something our QB needs. Keeping Marty here is the dumbest possible move we could make. 

 

Thanks Harbaugh. I'm officially off your bandwagon if this is true. 

[Deflated Football]

I wouldn't overthink what Flacco and Pitta said. Jeff Z tweeted that they don't want to throw Marty under the bus. Hell, Dennis might not even be here himself next season. 

[hn68wb4]

I don't think Marty is sticking around, regardless of what Flacco is saying. It's plain as day that Mornhinweg needs to go, Flacco has formed some sort of relationship with him and is defending him. And to be fair obvioiusly Marty was stuck with Trestman's playbook since taking over, that being said, his decision making can't be blamed on the playbook.

Now unfortunately perhaps I can imagine Mornhinweg not being fired, even though everyone agrees that he needs to be, Harbaugh will only make a change when he wants to, regardless of what everyone else sees. But, as I said, I suspect Marty will in fact be gone, or at least will be back to QB coach next season. There are plenty of good candidates for the job out there, and even someone as stubborn as Harbaugh could see that the main issue with the offense (not the only problem, but the biggest one) was the decision making with falls squarely on Mornhinweg's shoulders.

[jazz1988]

I understand the reason why some Ravens fans want Marty M gone but if he is let go then that  means Joe Flacco and others have to yet again get adjusted to a new offensive coordinator which has it's negatives. 

[Moderator 3]

Pretty interesting article on this up on the front page.  Is this what saves Marty's job?

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Baltimore’s offense got better as the year went on. It moved the ball with more efficiency over the four-game span from Week 13 to Week 16. The Ravens averaged 28.8 points over that period and Flacco turned in some of his best games.

The Ravens threw their way to a 38-point outburst against the Miami Dolphins and had strong showings in New England, versus the Philadelphia Eagles and in Pittsburgh.

 

[Grapple Raven]

I still think Kubiak would be the best option for QB coach, he really worked with Joe when he was here before and I think Joe improved a lot under Kubiak.  Maybe QB coach wouldn't be such a stressful job for Kubiak as an OC position would.  I would like to see Dennison as the OC. With Kubiak working on Joe's fundamentals to get them straightened out, and Dennison as OC I think we might see a marked improvement with our offense.  Honestly, I think Marty just has to go at this point or we will just have more of the same in 2017.   If not this option then I could get onboard with Kyle S. or M. McCoy.  

But we definitely need a change with something new to spark our offensive game strategy.  We need someone who can strategize for opposing defenses, utilize our talent by playing to our guys strengths and giving them the chance to make plays,  and adapt in- game, imho.

[hn68wb4]

19 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I understand the reason why some Ravens fans want Marty M gone but if he is let go then that  means Joe Flacco and others have to yet again get adjusted to a new offensive coordinator which has it's negatives. 

Regardless they're going to be learning a new system, Mornhinweg will want to instill his own system as well, he was rolling with Trestman's since taking over.