Candidates to be the next OC

[rmw10]

By the way, anyone still think Marty should stay?  3rd and 10 today and we called a screen pass that went for -2.  That's been the common theme that should ensure he's the first one relieved of his duties.

[JO_75]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

By the way, anyone still think Marty should stay?  3rd and 10 today and we called a screen pass that went for -2.  That's been the common theme that should ensure he's the first one relieved of his duties.

He's gone, that has been reported already. So we don't have to worry about that anymore.

[Ravenskid52752]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

By the way, anyone still think Marty should stay?  3rd and 10 today and we called a screen pass that went for -2.  That's been the common theme that should ensure he's the first one relieved of his duties.

Or less throw a 30 yard pass on 3 and 2 when the running game is working 👍

[RaineV1]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

By the way, anyone still think Marty should stay?  3rd and 10 today and we called a screen pass that went for -2.  That's been the common theme that should ensure he's the first one relieved of his duties.

I know some people will say it was just executed badly. However, as the OC Marty should know the strengths and weaknesses of the team, and it's pretty obvious that the Ravens don't run screen plays well.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, RaineV1 said:

I know some people will say it was just executed badly. However, as the OC Marty should know the strengths and weaknesses of the team, and it's pretty obvious that the Ravens don't run screen plays well.

That's the point.  It's on the players for not making it happen still, but when it's a consistent thing that he keeps going back to, that's where the issue lies.  It's been proven time and time again that it's an awful call, yet he keeps calling it.

[DomMcRaven]

On 12/31/2016 at 7:43 PM, allblackraven said:

You mean "to finish what we started here"?

I'm still holding a grudge.

You too, huh? What was that he said, "building a foundation?"
 

[Inqui]

I don't care if Kubiak lit up bag of poop on fire in front of Ozzie's office on his last day and flipped everyone two middle fingers on his way out - if he's available to be an OC I'd love to have him back.

(that's one hell of a mental image though, Kubiak doing all that)

[ravensdfan]

20 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Lackluster offense has been more than a one season issue...

Yeah and guess what? Those coordinators are no longer here.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ravensdfan said:

Yeah and guess what? Those coordinators are no longer here.

I'm indifferent at this point with him going because I want a whole new coaching staff, but the level of ineptitude between the offense and defense is pretty vast.

[allblackraven]

8 minutes ago, Inqui said:

I don't care if Kubiak lit up bag of poop on fire in front of Ozzie's office on his last day and flipped everyone two middle fingers on his way out - if he's available to be an OC I'd love to have him back.

(that's one hell of a mental image though, Kubiak doing all that)

To be honest, if he did all that, I'd probably reconsider. This way, I'll just keep holding a grudge.

[ravensdfan]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm indifferent at this point with him going because I want a whole new coaching staff, but the level of ineptitude between the offense and defense is pretty vast.

I'd agree with that statement - but also add, that the defense's issue has been around for a lot longer.

Personally, given our last two years, I agree as well that it is time to clean house as far as coaching. I don't believe that will include Harbaugh and not sure it should - though if it happens I would understand the reasoning.

[GrimCoconut]

10 minutes ago, Inqui said:

I don't care if Kubiak lit up bag of poop on fire in front of Ozzie's office on his last day and flipped everyone two middle fingers on his way out - if he's available to be an OC I'd love to have him back.

(that's one hell of a mental image though, Kubiak doing all that)

I love this image.

[OUravensfan]

We were way too innefficient on offense this year, hard to watch. 

[Ravenskid2085]

I'd definitely love a Kubiak return but Norv Turner would be my pick if that doesn't happen. No longer a HC candidate and had Minnesota's offense humming before he stepped down. 

[sharkh20]

I just want someone with a vertical mindset rather than horizontal mindset.  Everything was much too lateral this year and it was incredibly frustrating to watch us work so hard for so few yards.

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

I'd agree with that statement - but also add, that the defense's issue has been around for a lot longer.

Personally, given our last two years, I agree as well that it is time to clean house as far as coaching. I don't believe that will include Harbaugh and not sure it should - though if it happens I would understand the reasoning.

I would have said that before today, but everyone looked so dejected and like they did not care one bit about Harbaugh wanting to win.

[Tank 92]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I would have said that before today, but everyone looked so dejected and like they did not care one bit about Harbaugh wanting to win.

Eh, I wouldn't read a whole lot into that. Players are humans, not machines. Last week was a huge emotional loss and today's letdown was pretty much inevitable and not unexpected. 

[RavensFanMania]

36 minutes ago, Inqui said:

I don't care if Kubiak lit up bag of poop on fire in front of Ozzie's office on his last day and flipped everyone two middle fingers on his way out - if he's available to be an OC I'd love to have him back.

(that's one hell of a mental image though, Kubiak doing all that)

And I can smell it

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, ravensdfan said:

One game lol That's cute.

Well all OCs run a system, and they all have their own ways they do things as well. All OCs are not equal even if they run the same system, and that's because they all tweak it their way. That's what I meant.

The lackluster offense has been a season long thing - and the failure to finish defense has been a 5 season thing. Like I said, I get the Marty firing, but not over a Pees firing given how we lost that game. Not to mention a chance to advance in 2014 giving up 2 14 pt leads. Not to mention a slew of other games throughout his tenure.

I'm for that as well.

Uh you referenced him being fired for a single 4th quarter collapse.

So did you think your own statement was cute or what? If you thought he should be fired for a collection of issues, then perhaps you should have said that instead of saying he should be fired because his defense had a really bad quarter.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I would have said that before today, but everyone looked so dejected and like they did not care one bit about Harbaugh wanting to win.

Yeah I could argue both sides of how this game went today.

My first reaction was its a terrible look for a coach who may not necessarily have been on the "hot seat", but certainly didn't do anything to squash that possibility. Team barely got off the bus today, especially on defense.

On the other hand, as others have said, tough emotional loss last week can really suck the life out of team, especially when that loss ended their season. 

I was surprised that we played as poorly as we did today, but afterwards I thought I shouldn't have been that surprised.

[ravensdfan]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Uh you referenced him being fired for a single 4th quarter collapse.

So did you think your own statement was cute or what? If you thought he should be fired for a collection of issues, then perhaps you should have said that instead of saying he should be fired because his defense had a really bad quarter.

Same issue, for 5 seasons. Please. You are well aware that such a collapse is not a new issue.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, ravensdfan said:

Same issue, for 5 seasons. Please. You are well aware that such a collapse is not a new issue.

So if its not a new issue and the issue hasn't been addressed so far, why would you continue to think that it should be or even will be?

I'm not the guy who's demanding all these OC's be fired either. Its not like the offense hasn't had similar issues over the course of a few years also, and coaching changes don't appear to be doing anything for that.

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah I could argue both sides of how this game went today.

My first reaction was its a terrible look for a coach who may not necessarily have been on the "hot seat", but certainly didn't do anything to squash that possibility. Team barely got off the bus today, especially on defense.

On the other hand, as others have said, tough emotional loss last week can really suck the life out of team, especially when that loss ended their season. 

I was surprised that we played as poorly as we did today, but afterwards I thought I shouldn't have been that surprised.

For me, Harbaugh is the type of guy who seems to be more about motivating his guys than anything else and making sure they always fight in every single game. I don't think before today that we'd truly seen a game where the Ravens weren't fighting and showing heart until the bitter end.

Also doesn't help when you make promises all week about showing up and playing well AND it's your veteran receivers last game. 

Just not a good look.

[ravensdfan]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

So if its not a new issue and the issue hasn't been addressed so far, why would you continue to think that it should be or even will be?

I'm not the guy who's demanding all these OC's be fired either. Its not like the offense hasn't had similar issues over the course of a few years also, and coaching changes don't appear to be doing anything for that.

You don't think it should be? After 5 seasons of it? After giving up 2 14 pt leads in 2014 cost us a chance at a SB appearance? After a 21 pt 4th quarter collapse cost us a playoff appearance? After a slew of other games during the regular seasons where it happened? Certainly it should be addressed and should have been long before now.

Why I believe it will is simply the position the team now finds itself in. After the showing the last 2 years, I think there will be changes. I think OC will probably be one of those changes as well.

Honestly, though I don't advocate it, after today's showing Harbaugh could be in the mix as well. The Browns played their hearts out for their coach - and the Ravens? Didn't even show up.

[K-Dog]

I wonder what Joe wants .....

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, ravensdfan said:

You don't think it should be? After 5 seasons of it? After giving up 2 14 pt leads in 2014 cost us a chance at a SB appearance? After a 21 pt 4th quarter collapse cost us a playoff appearance? After a slew of other games during the regular seasons where it happened? Certainly it should be addressed and should have been long before now.

Why I believe it will is simply the position the team now finds itself in. After the showing the last 2 years, I think there will be changes. I think OC will probably be one of those changes as well.

Honestly, though I don't advocate it, after today's showing Harbaugh could be in the mix as well. The Browns played their hearts out for their coach - and the Ravens? Didn't even show up.

I personally don't see the purpose of constantly firing your coordinators and not your HC. Obviously its one thing when one of your coordinators is good enough to be hired elsewhere, but I would even like to know how often it has worked out that a HC fires both of his coordinators after a season, keeps his job, and actually ends up successful.

For me, this offseason, its really all or nothing, or at least in regards to Harbaugh and Pees, because they've been together long enough that they basically vouch for one another. I'm not even convinced firing Marty is a relevant move, but at least he's essentially an "interim" OC, so you could argue he's not Harbaugh's guy.

Don't really see what we are trying to accomplish by firing Pees and letting Harbaugh keep his job.

[ravensdfan]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I personally don't see the purpose of constantly firing your coordinators and not your HC. Obviously its one thing when one of your coordinators is good enough to be hired elsewhere, but I would even like to know how often it has worked out that a HC fires both of his coordinators after a season, keeps his job, and actually ends up successful.

For me, this offseason, its really all or nothing, or at least in regards to Harbaugh and Pees, because they've been together long enough that they basically vouch for one another. I'm not even convinced firing Marty is a relevant move, but at least he's essentially an "interim" OC, so you could argue he's not Harbaugh's guy.

Don't really see what we are trying to accomplish by firing Pees and letting Harbaugh keep his job.

Why is it all or nothing? Don't get that. Harbs is a special teams coach - he relies more heavily on his coordinators so don't know why it wouldn't make sense to start fresh there.

I think Harbs might be in the mix honestly, just don't think it will happen. If it does, I absolutely get it.  I do believe his seat just got pretty hot and 2017 will determine what happens. So new coordinators to kind of start fresh makes sense.

[Moderator 3]

Question: how many other teams had to play both Christmas and New Years on the road?  Our guys went out there, away from their families for Christmas and suffered a devastating loss.  Then they had to travel again on New Years to play a meaningless game.  No doubt some of them (especially the ones who suspect they may not be here next year) were checked out.  They're human, and quite a few of them are still pretty young.  For ONE game, I can cut them some slack.  

[Cillmatic]

36 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

I wonder what Joe wants .....

A good O-line 

[Cillmatic]

we're going to give our next coordinator at least 3 seasons(unless he's terrible). We won't hire new coordinators and then fire Harba the very next season. We either fire him now or he's here for a while.

The best OC will be Dennison.

Best HC will be Payton or McDaniels.

Edited January 2 by Cillmatic