Candidates to be the next OC

[jazz1988]

I think Greg Roman or Ken Whisenhunt make sense for The Ravens if indeed Marty M is fired. Mike Mccoy is a option but  he's risky  because he could be gone after one year like Gary Kubiak  due to a head coaching job.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

On 11/23/2016 at 6:25 AM, January J said:

Surprised norv turner wasn't mentioned.

Norv would be great never really liked him as a head coach but he has been  a really good OC . 

Edited December 31, 2016 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[JO_75]

What OC out there is similar to Kubiak scheme wise without actually bringing back Kubiak?

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Okay mods. I'm sorry, but if Gary resigns I'm gonna have to play this.

I love it !!!!!!!!!!!

It won't happen, but the effort would be worth it. 

[Ravensfan23]

17 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

What OC out there is similar to Kubiak scheme wise without actually bringing back Kubiak?

Don't know how similar his scheme would be, but Matt LaFleur has been in that system every year since 2008. After being together in Houston he basically followed Kyle Shanahan everywhere so if he gets a HC job LaFleur is probably sure to follow. However if he doesn't get HC maybe LaFleur is a fresh face the Ravens can break into the OC scene on the NFL level.

[jazz1988]

24 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

What OC out there is similar to Kubiak scheme wise without actually bringing back Kubiak?

The Ravens technically already run a scheme similar to Kubiaks but  Marty M philosophy differs. There is Mike Shananhan, Greg Knapp, and  Rick Dennison that may run  exactly copy of what Gary Kubiak runs but there isn't many other candidates than them. 

[PurpleCity5]

I would rather take others over Norv, I feel like the reasons we would get frustrated with him would boil over what made us upset with Trestman. He doesn't run it much or effectively and runs a very conservative system, that's not what we're looking for here, we need to run the ball better and more effeciently and need big plays.

[BmoreBird22]

So, in case anyone didn't think it would happen, PFT is reporting Marty is almost a lock to be fired.

[ravens rule]

Pass on Norv. I like Wisenhunt or Mccoy.

[omar586]

4 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Don't know how similar his scheme would be, but Matt LaFleur has been in that system every year since 2008. After being together in Houston he basically followed Kyle Shanahan everywhere so if he gets a HC job LaFleur is probably sure to follow. However if he doesn't get HC maybe LaFleur is a fresh face the Ravens can break into the OC scene on the NFL level.

we need a young fresh face to make ravens offense more productive.

[ravens rule]

@Ravensfan23 love the idea

[JoeLewis]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

2 OC notes: 1. When #Jets find a new OC, it’ll be someone who values the TE & run game. 2. Keep an eye on Greg Roman for the #Ravens job.

Edited January 1 by JoeLewis

[ravensdfan]

10 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, in case anyone didn't think it would happen, PFT is reporting Marty is almost a lock to be fired.

I'm not against Marty being fired but you have to admit that firing the OC when the defense collapsed and gave up 21 pts in the 4th is really out there. Especially when the OC didn't even get to implement his own offense. I think we are just making changes to make them & not making the right one.

 

[Tank 92]

10 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, in case anyone didn't think it would happen, PFT is reporting Marty is almost a lock to be fired.

Could happen I guess, but PFT is just regurgitating the Sun article.

[RaineV1]

13 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

I think Greg Roman or Ken Whisenhunt make sense for The Ravens if indeed Marty M is fired. Mike Mccoy is a option but  he's risky  because he could be gone after one year like Gary Kubiak  due to a head coaching job.

Because he's unlikely to get grabbed by someone looking for a HC, I love the idea of Whisenhunt.

[K-Dog]

36 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

I'm not against Marty being fired but you have to admit that firing the OC when the defense collapsed and gave up 21 pts in the 4th is really out there. Especially when the OC didn't even get to implement his own offense. I think we are just making changes to make them & not making the right one.

 

This is why I think Marty stays.

Unless someone amazing falls in our laps I think Marty will remain at O.C.

He was thrust into the position at half season.  I give him this off season to make some changes and get everyone on the same page.   Poor Joe can't keep a coordinator for long.

[RaineV1]

If Kubiak were to retire for health reasons, then Dennison might end up a free agent OC that the Ravens can grab.

[rmcjacket23]

59 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

I'm not against Marty being fired but you have to admit that firing the OC when the defense collapsed and gave up 21 pts in the 4th is really out there. Especially when the OC didn't even get to implement his own offense. I think we are just making changes to make them & not making the right one.

 

Well you're never going to fire a coordinator based on a defensive collapse in one game. Got no shot of ever being a good HC in this league making decisions like that.

You fire Marty if you weren't happy with what he did when he had the job. Its not like John really had the time to go out and scout other coaching candidates to replace Trestman mid-season... you're always going with an internal coach already on the roster at that point, and Marty was pretty much the only option. Interim coaches (which is basically all he was) are fired after a short period of time annually. Got multiple interim HCs in the league right now who won't be back with their team the next season.

[Tank 92]

49 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

This is why I think Marty stays.

Unless someone amazing falls in our laps I think Marty will remain at O.C.

He was thrust into the position at half season.  I give him this off season to make some changes and get everyone on the same page.   Poor Joe can't keep a coordinator for long.

Yeah, not saying it couldn't happen but I think it would be a very curious move to fire him after a partial season when there was some consistent improvement shown. It could be argued that any shortfalls with the offense second half of the season were the product of poor O line play(especially run blocking) and poor receiver performance. They have to find some consistency to make progress. To keep starting over is, well, to keep starting over.  

[K-Dog]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

 To keep starting over is, well, to keep starting over.  

See also: Cleveland Browns. 

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, ravensdfan said:

I'm not against Marty being fired but you have to admit that firing the OC when the defense collapsed and gave up 21 pts in the 4th is really out there. Especially when the OC didn't even get to implement his own offense. I think we are just making changes to make them & not making the right one.

I know that you're wanting to pin this on the defense, but this is a season long issue. I actually felt the Pittsburgh game was one of the better offensive games of the season. They just failed to finish and that's extremely frustrating. 

However, Marty actually ran the ball LESS, showed marginal to little improvement offensively as a whole, did not help Joe's mechanics improve on a consistent basis, despite being the quarterbacks coach. 

Also, as far as the "his system" idea goes, no one really seems to consider this, but if he used to run a WCO ever before in his career, then none of these plays were new to him. Every single playbook will feature the exact same plays if it's the same offense. It's just a matter of your philosophy on calling them and your idea of how the offense should be run. There was not a single play he hadn't seen before.

[rmw10]

I'm still shocked at how many people would be okay with Marty coming back...

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

If Kubiak were to retire for health reasons, then Dennison might end up a free agent OC that the Ravens can grab.

I assume the only reason to want Dennison is because he's been under Kubes for so many years. So what that being the case have you ever seen how completely inept the Texans and Broncos offenses have been when Dennison has gotten a chance to take over for Kubes. I'll pass. 

[RAYvenFan20]

Anyone else think the problem could be that our coaches are Former HCs?

[RaineV1]

4 minutes ago, RAYvenFan20 said:

Anyone else think the problem could be that our coaches are Former HCs?

I don't think that's really the issue given that Kubiak was our best OC and he was a former HC.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 hours ago, JoeLewis said:

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

2 OC notes: 1. When #Jets find a new OC, it’ll be someone who values the TE & run game. 2. Keep an eye on Greg Roman for the #Ravens job.

Please god no

[GrimCoconut]

I'd really like a better QB coach. Am I alone here? Joe regressed big time under Marty

[Rav'n Maniac]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'd really like a better QB coach. Am I alone here? Joe regressed big time under Marty

I agree, not too sure it was all Marty's doing or Joe just not listening to him. Most likely a combination of both.

[rafahash]

There is no way in hell they keep Marty. They just can't.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Honestly, I'd be on the fire Harbaugh train if they hire Greg Roman