Candidates to be the next OC

[Cillmatic]

5 minutes ago, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

We should try to hire Hue Jackson the Browns coach if he gets fired. He had great success here. Also I think we should try to get Gus Bradley as our DC since he just got fired. 

 

He's not getting fired. The Browns already public ally said they aren't worried about winning this year.

The best option I can see is hiring someone from Denver.

[RavensFanMania]

1 minute ago, Cillmatic said:

He's not getting fired. The Browns already public ally said they aren't worried about winning this year.

The best option I can see is hiring someone from Denver.

Kubes brought his guy with him when he left here.

[DomMcRaven]

32 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I honestly don't have a problem throwing the ball into the endzone there, I have a issue with the play call. If you're going to throw the ball into the endzone there, get Perriman or Waller on the outside for a fade or at least give the illusion of running the ball to suck the LBs up and get a TE behind them. You asked your QB to make a tight window throw when it wasn't necessary. 

Now of course the smartest thing to do there is run the ball.

Now had this been in the first or 2nd quarter, I wouldn't be as upset. However, with 6 minutes left and up by 10? Continue to run and milk the clock. But whatever, we got the win. 

[K-Dog]

23 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

He's not getting fired. The Browns already publicly said they aren't worried about winning this year.

 

Well have I got news for them !!!!

[Ravensfan23]

3 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Now had this been in the first or 2nd quarter, I wouldn't be as upset. However, with 6 minutes left and up by 10? Continue to run and milk the clock. But whatever, we got the win. 

Oh yea I get it. Like I said running the ball there was the smartest play. But with a 10 point lead, I don't have a problem with being aggressive there to put that team away completely. But that's just my nature. I'd rather fail going for the win than to just play scared and hope to hold on for the win. It was no different than the Pats passing the ball on 1st down last week to run the clock. Incomplete and it's the dumbest call ever, complete it and it's still not the smartest call but you don't feel as bad about it lol. 

A TD right there puts the game away at 34-17 and it really doesn't matter how much time is on the clock because the Eagles to that point didn't prove to be a quick strike offense. They used more clock scoring than the Ravens did. But again running the ball was definitely the smartest play on all accounts. 

[Ravensfan23]

33 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

He's not getting fired. The Browns already public ally said they aren't worried about winning this year.

The best option I can see is hiring someone from Denver.

 

30 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Kubes brought his guy with him when he left here.

And those guys suck when Kubes isn't there to run the offense. Even going back to Houston and the couple of game in Denver when he wasn't there to oversee that offense they not only looked bad but they looked like they didn't have a clue offensively. I'll past on anyone from Denver unless it's Kubes himself. 

[RavensFanMania]

Just now, Ravensfan23 said:

 

And those guys suck when Kubes isn't there to run the offense. Even going back to Houston and the couple of game in Denver when he wasn't there to oversee that offense they not only looked bad but they looked like they didn't have a clue offensively. I'll past on anyone from Denver unless it's Kubes himself. 

Agree

[ravens rule]

Kyle Shanahan is doing wonders for the falcons. Can we go back in time and hire him ?

[Deflated Football]

9 minutes ago, ravens rule said:

Kyle Shanahan is doing wonders for the falcons. Can we go back in time and hire him ?

No. We like mediocrity. 

[Doomville]

I don't understand one thing. Marty is known for his run first offense yet why is our pass-run ration even worse than when trestman was with us. And it's not like our run game is bad. It's not amazing but it's definitely good, better than in the beginning of the year. 

[sibelius]

21 minutes ago, Doomville said:

I don't understand one thing. Marty is known for his run first offense yet why is our pass-run ration even worse than when trestman was with us. And it's not like our run game is bad. It's not amazing but it's definitely good, better than in the beginning of the year. 

I'm putting this on Joe. It's clear at this point in his career that the OC still has way too much say over what he does on the field. 

Joe should know the playbook. Joe should be able to read the defense and make the right call in late game situations. I almost threw up when I was watching the presser and he said "Marty is giving me another touchdown." What the heck?? You're a QB with 9 years in the league...take some freaking ownership of the playbook.

I've come to realize that Flacco simply isn't a bright guy. All the physical talent in the world (much moreso than a guy like Brady), but he just doesn't have enough going on upstairs to overcome mediocre coordinators and bad play calls.

 

We need a young, cerebral OC that can grow here for the rest Joe's career. I still think we can make it happen this year with a firmer hand from Harbaugh, but moving forward we need a stud at OC if we're going to be a consistently dominant team. 

[Doomville]

15 minutes ago, sibelius said:

I'm putting this on Joe. It's clear at this point in his career that the OC still has way too much say over what he does on the field. 

Joe should know the playbook. Joe should be able to read the defense and make the right call in late game situations. I almost threw up when I was watching the presser and he said "Marty is giving me another touchdown." What the heck?? You're a QB with 9 years in the league...take some freaking ownership of the playbook.

I've come to realize that Flacco simply isn't a bright guy. All the physical talent in the world (much moreso than a guy like Brady), but he just doesn't have enough going on upstairs to overcome mediocre coordinators and bad play calls.

 

We need a young, cerebral OC that can grow here for the rest Joe's career. I still think we can make it happen this year with a firmer hand from Harbaugh, but moving forward we need a stud at OC if we're going to be a consistently dominant team. 

What you are saying is that joe isn't changing the plays. If that's the case, then doesn't it mean that marty is responsible for the lopsided pass-run ratio? I am not defending joe but i simply want to know why we are passing so much when the run game is working and the OC has a run-heavy mentality. Is harbaugh at fault here? Is he not letting marty have full control in calling plays? Or is it that marty is the problem?

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, ravens rule said:

Kyle Shanahan is doing wonders for the falcons. Can we go back in time and hire him ?

I remember someone edited the Wikipedia page for him to say he was the OC of the Ravens before the Ravens hired Trestman. Damn, have to really wonder what the Ravens were thinking because Shanahan and Kubiak even run similar systems. 

[RavensFanMania]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I remember someone edited the Wikipedia page for him to say he was the OC of the Ravens before the Ravens hired Trestman. Damn, have to really wonder what the Ravens were thinking because Shanahan and Kubiak even run similar systems. 

Shanahan can be a head case as well.  Never was an oc away from his dad or Gary Kubiak. 

I'd definitely take him if given another opportunity, but feel he will be the next failed hot coordinator turned head coach.

Btw, They run the same system.  

Edited December 19, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[JO_75]

Here's my thing, do we want to fire Marty and bring in someone else and once again give Joe another new OC or do we stay with Marty for consistency, try to add talent to the offense(a true number one WR), improve the OL and tweak the playbook to work on being a run first team all offseason? 

I wouldn't mind looking at hiring a college coach to be the OC but I don't know who. Lane Kiffin would have been an interesting choice but he took the head coaching job at FAU. We know Ozzie has Alabama connections, why not their WR coach as our new OC? Their WR coach produced Amari Cooper so at least we would know he knows how to find a star number one WR.

Edited December 19, 2016 by JO_75

[Doomville]

This offseason, the FO needs to look VERY CAREFULLY for an OC, whether it be marty or a new guy. We cannot screw it up because next year's OC needs to stay for at least 3 seasons, barring him taking a new job, to have consistency.

[Ravensfan23]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I remember someone edited the Wikipedia page for him to say he was the OC of the Ravens before the Ravens hired Trestman. Damn, have to really wonder what the Ravens were thinking because Shanahan and Kubiak even run similar systems. 

Hiring Gary Kubiak is the reason Kyle Shanahan isn't the Ravens coach. He was all set to the be new OC in 2014 but a late call to Dennison as a final check up on Shanahan led to Dennison telling Harbs that Kubes was in play. Harbs quickly hoped on it and Shanahan went from front runner to Brownsville. 

In 2015, Shanahan seemed to already be tied to the hip of Dan Quinn if he got the ATL job. He did and there was no reason for Shanahan to entertain the Ravens who had basically cased him to the side just 12 months prior. Ravens just got completely screwed by John Elway. He saw an opportunity to get his guy and friend at HC while Peyton had one more decent season left and weakening one of his top contenders in the process was just the cherry on top. 

[Bltravens]

4 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

Shanahan can be a head case as well.  Never was an oc away from his dad or Gary Kubiak. 

I'd definitely take him if given another opportunity, but feel he will be the next failed hot coordinator turned head coach.

Btw, They run the same system.  

This is 100% the reason, fairly certain past QBs have had some issue with Kyle Shanahan if I remember correct.  They weren't completely sold so they waited it out to see what Kubiak was doing.  Otherwise the hire would have happened in about 5min when he opened up his own version of his dads playbook.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Bltravens

[terrynjulia03]

5 hours ago, Doomville said:

I don't understand one thing. Marty is known for his run first offense yet why is our pass-run ration even worse than when trestman was with us. And it's not like our run game is bad. It's not amazing but it's definitely good, better than in the beginning of the year. 

Because he's still using Trestman playbook. You can't just completely change play books like that. If it's a pass heavy, which Trestman is, than you have only so many plays to choose from. Not to mention that's what e offense is used to and been running all year. IF Marty stays than over the offseason he can implement his playbook and than we'll see. 

[PurpleCity5]

15 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Dixon wasn't healthy with Trestman, so there's a reason he wasn't a part of the game. As for Perriman, I felt like he had some really big moments, but you have to remember that he's basically a rookie with no training camp to his name in two years. We always knew it'd take Perriman some time. So, I really feel it's unfair to credit either of those two to Marty.

I think Joe has really stepped up in a major way in just the Dolphins game. I think he was getting better slowly, but surely from the Browns game on, but then had a total relapse against the Patriots, so we'll see what happens today.

As far as the double digit wins go, one came against the Browns (not impressed) and one was against the Dolphins where everything clicked and it was an amazing game. If the Ravens have more games like that, I'd be thrilled, but I doubt they will.

Admittedly Dixon wasn't healthy, but the element of a rec. RB out of the backfield has surely appeared and West has contributed to that. We all know that Perriman  needed time but the lack of a deep passing game wasn't helping in his favor. That surely came with Marty and to his credit, Perriman certainly improved. 

With all that said, I don't want to explain much further because I agree with you. I'm not feeling Marty at the moment. I don't think he's bad but he just doesn't seem like the guy. I understand making the run game a compliment but week after week Joe is saying run the Football and the fact that its not happening certainly sting on his end. 

I honestly prefer a change at the moment as well. 

[PurpleCity5]

4 hours ago, Doomville said:

This offseason, the FO needs to look VERY CAREFULLY for an OC, whether it be marty or a new guy. We cannot screw it up because next year's OC needs to stay for at least 3 seasons, barring him taking a new job, to have consistency.

There's no point in consistency if you have a consistently bad offense. I understand that you have to be consistent there, but if the offense preforms at this level week in and week out and year in and year out then talking about consistency is pointless. I'd rather start all over with a new system and OC than have to put up with another year for this same offense to be honest with you if this is the results they are going to produce, and I'm sure the players would feel that way too.

Edited December 19, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[RaineV1]

4 hours ago, JO_75 said:

Here's my thing, do we want to fire Marty and bring in someone else and once again give Joe another new OC or do we stay with Marty for consistency, try to add talent to the offense(a true number one WR), improve the OL and tweak the playbook to work on being a run first team all offseason? 

I wouldn't mind looking at hiring a college coach to be the OC but I don't know who. Lane Kiffin would have been an interesting choice but he took the head coaching job at FAU. We know Ozzie has Alabama connections, why not their WR coach as our new OC? Their WR coach produced Amari Cooper so at least we would know he knows how to find a star number one WR.

Consistency doesn't help when the person is consistently doing things badly. Keeping Cam for several seasons didn't make us a better offense. But Kubiak came in later and we changed for the better overnight.

When it comes to potential candidates from the college ranks, I think someone from Iowa, Western Michigan, or Wisconsin would fit the Ravens well.

[Adreme]

36 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Consistency doesn't help when the person is consistently doing things badly. Keeping Cam for several seasons didn't make us a better offense. But Kubiak came in later and we changed for the better overnight.

When it comes to potential candidates from the college ranks, I think someone from Iowa, Western Michigan, or Wisconsin would fit the Ravens well.

Kubiak had a better line then what has been given to the Ravens this year though.  Coaches can get the most out of the players but when the line sucks there is very little that you can do about it.

[RaineV1]

2 hours ago, Adreme said:

Kubiak had a better line then what has been given to the Ravens this year though.  Coaches can get the most out of the players but when the line sucks there is very little that you can do about it.

Kubiak's line wasn't that great after the injuries. Urschel and Jensen aren't exactly dominate lineman. Jensen was awful this year, and Urschel hasn't been anything special. Just an emergency C. Also, Hurst started five games that season. They played well as a unit, but the current line per player isn't worse than that line was.

Edited December 19, 2016 by RaineV1

[Rebel Raven]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I remember someone edited the Wikipedia page for him to say he was the OC of the Ravens before the Ravens hired Trestman. Damn, have to really wonder what the Ravens were thinking because Shanahan and Kubiak even run similar systems. 

If i recall correctly, Harbs said something about it being a one year rental with Shanahan. Which we had just went through with Kubiak. 

 

On another note. Anyone who keeps up with college know of potential coaches we could possibly (hopefully) look at this off season? I think hiring a college coach woud be our best best for continuity 

[BmoreBird22]

6 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Hiring Gary Kubiak is the reason Kyle Shanahan isn't the Ravens coach. He was all set to the be new OC in 2014 but a late call to Dennison as a final check up on Shanahan led to Dennison telling Harbs that Kubes was in play. Harbs quickly hoped on it and Shanahan went from front runner to Brownsville. 

In 2015, Shanahan seemed to already be tied to the hip of Dan Quinn if he got the ATL job. He did and there was no reason for Shanahan to entertain the Ravens who had basically cased him to the side just 12 months prior. Ravens just got completely screwed by John Elway. He saw an opportunity to get his guy and friend at HC while Peyton had one more decent season left and weakening one of his top contenders in the process was just the cherry on top. 

I couldn't remember if it was 2014 or 2015. I looked up his coaching gigs and just assumed that the Ravens had passed on him for Trestman because he did get fired after that Browns tenure. 

Either way, I still would have rather had Shanahan than I would have had Kubiak. I guess there was a huge concern over the possibility of a young, up and coming coach in Shanahan leaving to be a HC whereas Kubiak was old, had health issues, and just failed as a HC in Houston. 

I think the threat of being a HC is the reason they didn't take Gase in 2015 over Trestman.

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Admittedly Dixon wasn't healthy, but the element of a rec. RB out of the backfield has surely appeared and West has contributed to that. We all know that Perriman  needed time but the lack of a deep passing game wasn't helping in his favor. That surely came with Marty and to his credit, Perriman certainly improved. 

With all that said, I don't want to explain much further because I agree with you. I'm not feeling Marty at the moment. I don't think he's bad but he just doesn't seem like the guy. I understand making the run game a compliment but week after week Joe is saying run the Football and the fact that its not happening certainly sting on his end. 

I honestly prefer a change at the moment as well. 

I actually felt really impressed today that Marty totally recognized that Joe was generally off his game and turned to the backs more than he had previously in the season. I think the run to pass was 23:30 or something around there. That doesn't even include the swing passes to the backs that are similar to a run play for me.

But yeah, it took nine games to finally really utilize the backs after Joe and Harbaugh had been calling for it for so long. That doesn't sit well with me. And I feel like running the ball more was dictated by the rain more than the actual desire to run based on history, but I will still feel happy with yesterday.

And maybe it's just the need to have a full offseason to get some more of "his guys" in here, but I can't really buy the whole idea that he's working with someone else's playbook or the idea that he hasn't learned the personnel. Every playbook will include similar or the exact same plays and route concepts. He had a full offseason to see the players in camp. 

Here's to hoping that if he does say, he encourages the Ravens to sign some good interior offensive lineman and gets the running game back on track.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Tha Next SBChamps said:

If i recall correctly, Harbs said something about it being a one year rental with Shanahan. Which we had just went through with Kubiak. 

This was actually the reason I think they passed on Gase, too. Just too much concern that he'd be gone after one season (and he was in Chicago).

[Adreme]

5 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Kubiak's line wasn't that great after the injuries. Urschel and Jensen aren't exactly dominate lineman. Jensen was awful this year, and Urschel hasn't been anything special. Just an emergency C. Also, Hurst started five games that season. They played well as a unit, but the current line per player isn't worse than that line was.

Yes and in the games Hurst started he was still single handedly bringing down the entire offense.  Also for another example look at Denvers offense right now.  They are pathetic, and that is also not on coaching, its on the fact that the players just are not very good.

[BmoreBird22]

Am I the only one who thinks continuity is overrated?

I'm almost certain I said this, but I don't want continuity for the sake of continuity if it means mediocrity. 

The thing is- almost all plays are going to be in every single playbook. It may not be on the play call sheet every single Sunday, but I don't think there's a single play or route that these skill players on offense haven't seen. 

Also, going back to college, there probably isn't a route these receivers haven't practiced. 

Just to give an example of what I mean, think back to 2012. Jim Caldwell takes over late in the season and uses the exact same playbook Cameron did, but the offense takes off. We saw new routes and plays (the usage of the middle of the field was night and day), but Caldwell took over way too late in the season to install these new plays. So what gives? These plays that were attacking the middle of the field more frequently with Pitta and Boldin had always been there, Cam just didn't call them frequently. Same playbook, vastly different results because the Ravens found a play caller that just knew how to use his players more.

It's the same reason that Joe could go from Cam to Caldwell to Kubiak in a matter of a year and a half, but excel under Kubiak. Kubiak just knew how to use his players. 

I'd be a lot less worried about does this coordinator have a system that works for the players and what do his tendencies look like and a lot more focused on how well he utilizes his players strengths.