[News] Late For Work 11/22: Ravens Can Deliver 'Knockout Blow' And Make Division A Two-Team Race

[balfan23]

Man - if we can't break the losing streak against this 3-6-1 team ... who are missing their top playmaker (and a guy that routinely destroys us), then there is little reason to think that we are heading to the post-season. 

[balfan23]

Just when we think, hey, Perriman's starting to make some strides ... he ends up being non-existent in the following game. 

[JamesA119]

  6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Precisely my point. That's what people are arguing about... ONE more running play.

We ran the ball twice in two drives. The first drive we ran it for no yards, forcing us into 2nd and 10. If you're advocating that we run the ball on 2nd and 10, feel free to post specifically why you think its a good idea.

The second drive we had a 9 yard gain on 1st down, which was negated by a 15 yard penalty on Zuttah after the play. That put us with a 2nd and 16. You don't run the ball on 2nd and 16.

By the time we got the ball again, we're down 14 with 11 minutes left. You don't run the ball barely at all in those spots either.

This isn't rocket science people.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees that. I've stopped going to a specific other site starting yesterday that blamed Sunday's loss on Flacco when he had a decent game (not perfect for sure, but good enough to win). I'm not giving them any more revenue with my clicks if they just want to spout nonsense.

The main problem was stupid penalties (opposed to calculated risk penalties) killing drives. Either wiping out first downs or huge chunks of yards which would have made it "simple to run the ball" on the next down but the penalty forces another pass instead. These things are a double whammy, they add another pass (a harder one to complete) to the stat line and effectively remove a running play, so the pass appears to be over-emphasized. Been the same all year (or drops by a WR on passes that hit them in the hands buddy pass style). It's like no one is watching the game and thinking about it. They just seem to look at stats, and you can't tell what happened in the game just from the stats.

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

What does a subjective ranking that has nothing to do with winning games mean to me or any other intelligent person? Not much...obviously.

Yes, he missed throws on Sunday. So did Brady and Rodgers.

Get in line.

[JamesA119]

  25 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

What does a subjective ranking that has nothing to do with winning games mean to me or any other intelligent person? Not much...obviously.

Yes, he missed throws on Sunday. So did Brady and Rodgers.

Get in line.

Brady and Rogers? Those, he is not.

[JamesA119]

  25 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

What does a subjective ranking that has nothing to do with winning games mean to me or any other intelligent person? Not much...obviously.

Yes, he missed throws on Sunday. So did Brady and Rodgers.

Get in line.

Yeah Flacco has been winning so much. SMH. He doesn't pass the eye test, nor the statistic test. He can't read defenses, he is very inaccurate, has poor pocket awareness. Any intelligent person can see that.

[balfan23]

32 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

I don't think Flacco's been right all year ... but there are games where we can put the blame squarely on him, but there are people who seem to want to put the full blame on him on every loss. To me, the offense hung in for the first half, but then come the second half, they only had one possession (that got destroyed by a terrible personal foul call) ... and that was the end of the 3rd quarter. The defense allowed the Cowboys to chew the clock to nothing. The offense didn't even have a chance to blow it. They didn't see the ball. 

To me, this game flipped at the half and it was all about the pass rush. The 1st half it was respectable and the 2nd it was non-existent. Even if Jimmy been available and had the game of his life and shut Dez down - it wouldn't matter. Dak could have gone through 12 progressions and hit any receiver who could manage to get open. Our edge rush shows glimmers of hope ... where we start thinking that maybe Siz can return to form and Smith and Judon can grow (why am I not saying Correa .. but I digress) but in the end ... a good O line and the pass rush can disappear. 

[JamesA119]

  45 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

I don't think Flacco's been right all year ... but there are games where we can put the blame squarely on him, but there are people who seem to want to put the full blame on him on every loss. To me, the offense hung in for the first half, but then come the second half, they only had one possession (that got destroyed by a terrible personal foul call) ... and that was the end of the 3rd quarter. The defense allowed the Cowboys to chew the clock to nothing. The offense didn't even have a chance to blow it. They didn't see the ball. 

To me, this game flipped at the half and it was all about the pass rush. The 1st half it was respectable and the 2nd it was non-existent. Even if Jimmy been available and had the game of his life and shut Dez down - it wouldn't matter. Dak could have gone through 12 progressions and hit any receiver who could manage to get open. Our edge rush shows glimmers of hope ... where we start thinking that maybe Siz can return to form and Smith and Judon can grow (why am I not saying Correa .. but I digress) but in the end ... a good O line and the pass rush can disappear. 

By the way my original argument about Flacco's ineffectiveness wasn't as a result of this game. It was as a result of cumulative posts by fans who always blames the Oline, the WRs, the defense, the OC, the coach - anyone but Flacco who is not only the weakest link but also whom elevated play could have the biggest impact.

[balfan23]

2 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

By the way my original argument about Flacco's ineffectiveness wasn't as a result of this game. It was as a result of cumulative posts by fans who always blames the Oline, the WRs, the defense, the OC, the coach - anyone but Flacco who is not only the weakest link but also whom elevated play could have the biggest impact.

Gotcha. 

Flacco hasn't had a truly great game since the 2014 post-season. He's had decent games, but nothing inspiring. I'm still not giving up on him ... last year was abysmal all the way around and this year ... sorry if I appear to be playing the apologist ... but I really don't think he's physically or mentally past his injury. He's never been mentally that rock solid player, so I do worry that he just may never get his mojo back (and yes - he's had mojo in his history that does even go beyond his 4 game championship run). 

I understand the desire for some to rise to his defense. For years, the league as a whole discounted him when he didn't deserve it, so it is a bit of a knee jerk reaction to look for reasons to give him support. In the end, we're married to the guy, for better or worse. So we all better hope that his struggles aren't going to continue indefinitely. 

[Minionhunter]

  1 hour ago, balfan23 said:

  1 hour ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

I don't think Flacco's been right all year ... but there are games where we can put the blame squarely on him, but there are people who seem to want to put the full blame on him on every loss. To me, the offense hung in for the first half, but then come the second half, they only had one possession (that got destroyed by a terrible personal foul call) ... and that was the end of the 3rd quarter. The defense allowed the Cowboys to chew the clock to nothing. The offense didn't even have a chance to blow it. They didn't see the ball. 

To me, this game flipped at the half and it was all about the pass rush. The 1st half it was respectable and the 2nd it was non-existent. Even if Jimmy been available and had the game of his life and shut Dez down - it wouldn't matter. Dak could have gone through 12 progressions and hit any receiver who could manage to get open. Our edge rush shows glimmers of hope ... where we start thinking that maybe Siz can return to form and Smith and Judon can grow (why am I not saying Correa .. but I digress) but in the end ... a good O line and the pass rush can disappear. 

By the way my original argument about Flacco's ineffectiveness wasn't as a result of this game. It was as a result of cumulative posts by fans who always blames the Oline, the WRs, the defense, the OC, the coach - anyone but Flacco who is not only the weakest link but also whom elevated play could have the biggest impact.

Yep, this tells us you are uninterested in anything but your points. You ignore the points in the post that you replied to, which was about Sunday's game specifically, and just pile on the hate and loathing. At least you admit it here. You are only interested in hating on Flacco, and making sweeping generalizations.

[JamesA119]

  1 hour ago, JamesA119 said:

  1 hour ago, balfan23 said:

  2 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Your perspective of how Flacco is playing is downright comical. I bet you missed the play when Steve Smith ran an out pattern, and Flacco threw it out of bounds on an3rd down, and we had to punt. I bet you also didn't see that playnwherenSteve Smith had to make himself almost 10 ft tall and kept his feet in bounds to complete the catch. This was also a simple out pattern that Flacco almost blew. There wasn't any play on Sunday where a WR dropped the ball.
Did you really watch the game? If you did I'm sure you would seen a great QB on the other side. Of course you'd rather blame the other 52 players that play for the Ravens.
By position do we have a player on the Ravens roster that ranks as low as Flacco does in his position? He is the 29th ranked QB. What does that mean to you?

I don't think Flacco's been right all year ... but there are games where we can put the blame squarely on him, but there are people who seem to want to put the full blame on him on every loss. To me, the offense hung in for the first half, but then come the second half, they only had one possession (that got destroyed by a terrible personal foul call) ... and that was the end of the 3rd quarter. The defense allowed the Cowboys to chew the clock to nothing. The offense didn't even have a chance to blow it. They didn't see the ball. 

To me, this game flipped at the half and it was all about the pass rush. The 1st half it was respectable and the 2nd it was non-existent. Even if Jimmy been available and had the game of his life and shut Dez down - it wouldn't matter. Dak could have gone through 12 progressions and hit any receiver who could manage to get open. Our edge rush shows glimmers of hope ... where we start thinking that maybe Siz can return to form and Smith and Judon can grow (why am I not saying Correa .. but I digress) but in the end ... a good O line and the pass rush can disappear. 

By the way my original argument about Flacco's ineffectiveness wasn't as a result of this game. It was as a result of cumulative posts by fans who always blames the Oline, the WRs, the defense, the OC, the coach - anyone but Flacco who is not only the weakest link but also whom elevated play could have the biggest impact.

Yep, this tells us you are uninterested in anything but your points. You ignore the points in the post that you replied to, which was about Sunday's game specifically, and just pile on the hate and loathing. At least you admit it here. You are only interested in hating on Flacco, and making sweeping generalizations.

When you start supporting other 52 players on the team, may be then you can have an argument

[Rav'n Maniac]

I say forget about last week, last month, last year and years prior. Those games no longer matter! Let's place our concern to the game at hand and help our team win a divisional match against a team we have dropped 5 to. That's the only thing important right now.

[Minionhunter]

I say forget about last week, last month, last year and years prior. Those games no longer matter! Let's place our concern to the game at hand and help our team win a divisional match against a team we have dropped 5 to. That's the only thing important right now.

Exactly right.

[BigUgly]

The season is on the line Sunday. Let's go Ravens!

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Brady and Rogers? Those, he is not.

Nope, he's not. But you're bashing Joe for missing throws that 100% of QBs who have ever played have missed on multiple occasions.

That's called hypocrisy 101. 

There's many things to bash Joe for... trying to create some example by referencing throws he misses that all QBs missed (said QBs I referenced missed similar throws on the very same day) comes across as extremely lazy analysis. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Yeah Flacco has been winning so much. SMH. He doesn't pass the eye test, nor the statistic test. He can't read defenses, he is very inaccurate, has poor pocket awareness. Any intelligent person can see that.

LOL, I stopped reading after a fan referenced the "eye test". The eye sees only what it wants to see. They fool you on a daily basis. 

[bigcatfrank1]

Lets talk real football, instead of these personal issues. Dallas only rushed 4 or more 5 times out of 37 pass plays. Yet Flacco had an average of 2.2 seconds or less to deliver the ball. Right there is enough to throw the stat book out of the window. They covered our receivers and put pressure on Flacco with minimal usage. A simple winning combination. Now on the reverse side, in the second half, The Ravens decided to rush 3 and 4 dropping into nickle and dime coverages. Dak had an average of 3. 4 seconds to deliver the ball. Dez Bryant, Beasley and co had time to finish routs and Dak could find the open man. This was the difference in the game. 101.

[OUravensfan]

On 11/22/2016 at 7:21 PM, balfan23 said:

Just when we think, hey, Perriman's starting to make some strides ... he ends up being non-existent in the following game. 

I know. It was depressing, not a single target. I guess growing pains, but I need to see more consistency and more flashes and TDs.

[OUravensfan]

1 hour ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Lets talk real football, instead of these personal issues. Dallas only rushed 4 or more 5 times out of 37 pass plays. Yet Flacco had an average of 2.2 seconds or less to deliver the ball. Right there is enough to throw the stat book out of the window. They covered our receivers and put pressure on Flacco with minimal usage. A simple winning combination. Now on the reverse side, in the second half, The Ravens decided to rush 3 and 4 dropping into nickle and dime coverages. Dak had an average of 3. 4 seconds to deliver the ball. Dez Bryant, Beasley and co had time to finish routs and Dak could find the open man. This was the difference in the game. 101.

It is literally insane. The line has been terrible all year, Dak would think he is playing a different sport if he had to play in the Ravens system. No elite line, no elite RB, no elite WR, no elite TE, but yea, let's all blame the QB.