[News] Late For Work 11/21: Eight Takeaways After Cowboys Beat Ravens

[RavensBaltimore]

Harbaugh said a big reason was because the Ravens fell into a hole and needed to pass more to try to catch back up. The offense also simply didn’t get the ball much with the Cowboys dominating the time of possession.

THIS IS A BS EXCUSE!!! We started the 2nd half tied 10 - 10 and came out throwing!!! Absolutely no reason to abandon the run this early in the game!!!

Coaching has been absolutely horrible all season!!!

In the 2nd half, before the final 2 drives, every 1st down pass resulted in a first down, and every 2nd or 3rd down pass was in a long yardage situation, so which one of those passes should have been a run? We ran the ball on 1st down twice in the 2nd half, which resulted in a 2nd and 10 and 2nd and 16,and we ended up punting both times. Those were our only two 2nd half punts. When we stopped running altogether, we scored a TD. So how can you possibly think we needed to run more? I broke down each drive in an earlier post. What we should have done was run the no huddle much earlier.

[JD08]

  3 hours ago, JD08 said:

Whistle blown or not, Zuttah's hit was unnecessary

Nope. His hit was fine and necessary. The Dallas player was illegally facemasking Dixon and Zuttah cleaned him off of Dixon. That is what you want to see. People are riled because his other two penalties cost us dearly killing drives, just like this one. However the holding call on him was bogus. The refs screwed us. Everyone talks about the no call when the guy tackled Aiken, but less so when Wallace was held and when Dez pushed off Young's facemask to convert the third down. It was a terribly called game.

So blow up a player right in front of the refs at the end of a 9yd gain makes sense to you...yea ok

[Crusader]

  2 hours ago, Crusader said:

Seriously, if the Ravens win the division this year their surely guaranteed two loses come next year. That means the Patriots and the Raiders at current state. Unless the Ravens improve which they have not done that in 3 years. minus Kubrick.

Always looking for the negative in everything.

Reality sucks doesn't it?

[Crusader]

  50 minutes ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

Harbaugh said a big reason was because the Ravens fell into a hole and needed to pass more to try to catch back up. The offense also simply didn’t get the ball much with the Cowboys dominating the time of possession.

THIS IS A BS EXCUSE!!! We started the 2nd half tied 10 - 10 and came out throwing!!! Absolutely no reason to abandon the run this early in the game!!!

Coaching has been absolutely horrible all season!!!

In the 2nd half, before the final 2 drives, every 1st down pass resulted in a first down, and every 2nd or 3rd down pass was in a long yardage situation, so which one of those passes should have been a run? We ran the ball on 1st down twice in the 2nd half, which resulted in a 2nd and 10 and 2nd and 16,and we ended up punting both times. Those were our only two 2nd half punts. When we stopped running altogether, we scored a TD. So how can you possibly think we needed to run more? I broke down each drive in an earlier post. What we should have done was run the no huddle much earlier.

Thanks for reminding us how bad this offense really does stink up the NFL. Ravens are stuck between Jacksonville and NY Jets in offense but they did not pay 120 Mil

[BigUgly]

For the first quarter, it looked like 2014 under Kubiak - Flacco was under center, we committed to the run, setting up play action and roll-outs. Then, inexplicably, Marty and Joe went back to what this offense truly is - Joe in the shotgun, throwing off his back foot for minimal gains (he only averaged 7.7 yds per attempt overall). How can the coaching staff, the players and the owner not call this out?

[RavensBaltimore]

For the first quarter, it looked like 2014 under Kubiak - Flacco was under center, we committed to the run, setting up play action and roll-outs. Then, inexplicably, Marty and Joe went back to what this offense truly is - Joe in the shotgun, throwing off his back foot for minimal gains (he only averaged 7.7 yds per attempt overall). How can the coaching staff, the players and the owner not call this out?

Did you watch the game? The offense didn't abandon the run until the 4th qtr, and when they put Joe in shotgun and sped up the tempo, he didn't throw off his back foot for minimal gains. He led the team down the field for a TD, just as he did the last time we went with the no huddle. It worked in Cle, it worked in Dal, and it was a key component in our SB run. That's the type of offense we should run. Keeping Joe under center and trying to set up play action only works when the O-line is consistently opening up holes and pass protecting, and our o-line hasn't done that this year. If we run the type of offense we ran in 2012, this team could be a real contender. Otherwise, we are going to be predictable, put ourselves in too many 3rd and longs, and continue struggling to put up 20 points.

[BigUgly]

  31 minutes ago, BigUgly said:

For the first quarter, it looked like 2014 under Kubiak - Flacco was under center, we committed to the run, setting up play action and roll-outs. Then, inexplicably, Marty and Joe went back to what this offense truly is - Joe in the shotgun, throwing off his back foot for minimal gains (he only averaged 7.7 yds per attempt overall). How can the coaching staff, the players and the owner not call this out?

Did you watch the game? The offense didn't abandon the run until the 4th qtr, and when they put Joe in shotgun and sped up the tempo, he didn't throw off his back foot for minimal gains. He led the team down the field for a TD, just as he did the last time we went with the no huddle. It worked in Cle, it worked in Dal, and it was a key component in our SB run. That's the type of offense we should run. Keeping Joe under center and trying to set up play action only works when the O-line is consistently opening up holes and pass protecting, and our o-line hasn't done that this year. If we run the type of offense we ran in 2012, this team could be a real contender. Otherwise, we are going to be predictable, put ourselves in too many 3rd and longs, and continue struggling to put up 20 points.

I know what games I have been watching since 2008. When Joe has twice as many pass attempts as rushing attempts, the Ravens typically lose. And for the record, they only ran the ball twice in the second half.

[Militant X 1]

8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, you could play press coverage I suppose, but not sure how well you think we would do with Young or Wright in press coverage against Dez Bryant.

Not well at all.  This is what jumped out at me as one in here who actually prefers the taller and more physical DB's (that can actually play of course)....

With a massive size advantage, the 6-foot-2, 220-pound receiver scored two touchdowns on Ravens corners Shareece Wright  and rookie Tavon Young.

“On his first touchdown, Bryant basically boxed out Wright like he was an undersized point guard,” wrote CSNMidAtlantic.com’s Clifton Brown. “On his second touchdown, Bryant muscled past Young to reach the end zone after Young tried to tackle him.”

Edited November 22, 2016 by Militant X 1

[Moderator 2]

What's wrong with Flacco?  It takes 8 to 12 months to physically heal from a torn ACL and it usually takes 18 months total for the physical and mental aspects of a torn acl and he's playing behind a line that's a sieve.  There was the scare when his brace got mangled a few weeks ago and all that plays into the mental aspect.  Here is a chart of what  SB winning QB can expect, Im pulling this because it seems so many are fixated on Joes salary  http://moneynation.com/how-much-money-do-you-make-if-you-win-the-super-bowl/   

Potential salary increase for players who Win Super Bowl              0 to 10 million.

Do y'all realize it has not been a year since we watched our QB tear up his knee?  It  will be a year tomorrow

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000670683/article/flacco-mental-hurdle-toughest-part-of-acl-recovery

psycological recovery of ACL

http://sirc.ca/blog/often-overlooked-psychological-impact-acl-injury

 

Am I making an excuse for Joe's up and down play? Nope as a person that has torn her knee up pretty bad and working on it I understand what it take to gut through it, but this could be a reason his play is off not to mention the turnstile of offensive  coordinators and injury riddle O line it all adds to offensive woes.  Do the fans who play a small fortune for tickets want to hear the excuses NO.

To quote Buddy Ryan, 'If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them

[RavensBaltimore]

  3 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  3 hours ago, BigUgly said:

For the first quarter, it looked like 2014 under Kubiak - Flacco was under center, we committed to the run, setting up play action and roll-outs. Then, inexplicably, Marty and Joe went back to what this offense truly is - Joe in the shotgun, throwing off his back foot for minimal gains (he only averaged 7.7 yds per attempt overall). How can the coaching staff, the players and the owner not call this out?

Did you watch the game? The offense didn't abandon the run until the 4th qtr, and when they put Joe in shotgun and sped up the tempo, he didn't throw off his back foot for minimal gains. He led the team down the field for a TD, just as he did the last time we went with the no huddle. It worked in Cle, it worked in Dal, and it was a key component in our SB run. That's the type of offense we should run. Keeping Joe under center and trying to set up play action only works when the O-line is consistently opening up holes and pass protecting, and our o-line hasn't done that this year. If we run the type of offense we ran in 2012, this team could be a real contender. Otherwise, we are going to be predictable, put ourselves in too many 3rd and longs, and continue struggling to put up 20 points.

I know what games I have been watching since 2008. When Joe has twice as many pass attempts as rushing attempts, the Ravens typically lose. And for the record, they only ran the ball twice in the second half.

Those stats are like that because the Ravens, like all teams, run when they are ahead and pass when they're behind. Ive never understood why so many people can't understand such a simple concept. Until the final 2 drives, we had 16 runs and 23 passes. Then we had to pass because of the game circumstances, and it worked, but we waited too late to do it. Had we been playing with the lead, we would have mostly run on the final 2 drives, which would have skewed the stats the other way.

[BigUgly]

  10 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  10 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  11 hours ago, BigUgly said:

For the first quarter, it looked like 2014 under Kubiak - Flacco was under center, we committed to the run, setting up play action and roll-outs. Then, inexplicably, Marty and Joe went back to what this offense truly is - Joe in the shotgun, throwing off his back foot for minimal gains (he only averaged 7.7 yds per attempt overall). How can the coaching staff, the players and the owner not call this out?

Did you watch the game? The offense didn't abandon the run until the 4th qtr, and when they put Joe in shotgun and sped up the tempo, he didn't throw off his back foot for minimal gains. He led the team down the field for a TD, just as he did the last time we went with the no huddle. It worked in Cle, it worked in Dal, and it was a key component in our SB run. That's the type of offense we should run. Keeping Joe under center and trying to set up play action only works when the O-line is consistently opening up holes and pass protecting, and our o-line hasn't done that this year. If we run the type of offense we ran in 2012, this team could be a real contender. Otherwise, we are going to be predictable, put ourselves in too many 3rd and longs, and continue struggling to put up 20 points.

I know what games I have been watching since 2008. When Joe has twice as many pass attempts as rushing attempts, the Ravens typically lose. And for the record, they only ran the ball twice in the second half.

Those stats are like that because the Ravens, like all teams, run when they are ahead and pass when they're behind. Ive never understood why so many people can't understand such a simple concept. Until the final 2 drives, we had 16 runs and 23 passes. Then we had to pass because of the game circumstances, and it worked, but we waited too late to do it. Had we been playing with the lead, we would have mostly run on the final 2 drives, which would have skewed the stats the other way.

If you have balance, you tend not to get so far behind that you have to throw on every down. Regardless, the Ravens have chosen to abandon the run over the past 2 years when they were leading or the game was close. When they do so, they usually don't have much time of possession, which puts pressure on our defense and contributes to so many defensive collapses late in games.

Bottom line, they can't score (7th worst in the league), can't control a game, have no red-zone efficiency whatsoever, and can't come from behind. If you find this acceptable, and want to see more of it going forward, you must really look forward to watching highlights from the Browns.

[DBsRAVENS]

What's wrong with Flacco?  It takes 8 to 12 months to physically heal from a torn ACL and it usually takes 18 months total for the physical and mental aspects of a torn acl and he's playing behind a line that's a sieve.  There was the scare when his brace got mangled a few weeks ago and all that plays into the mental aspect.  Here is a chart of what  SB winning QB can expect, Im pulling this because it seems so many are fixated on Joes salary  http://moneynation.com/how-much-money-do-you-make-if-you-win-the-super-bowl/   

Potential salary increase for players who Win Super Bowl              0 to 10 million.

Do y'all realize it has not been a year since we watched our QB tear up his knee?  It  will be a year tomorrow

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000670683/article/flacco-mental-hurdle-toughest-part-of-acl-recovery

psycological recovery of ACL

http://sirc.ca/blog/often-overlooked-psychological-impact-acl-injury

 

Am I making an excuse for Joe's up and down play? Nope as a person that has torn her knee up pretty bad and working on it I understand what it take to gut through it, but this could be a reason his play is off not to mention the turnstile of offensive  coordinators and injury riddle O line it all adds to offensive woes.  Do the fans who play a small fortune for tickets want to hear the excuses NO.

To quote Buddy Ryan, 'If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them

Then give Flacco a nice seat on the bench. He's doing a disservice to the team if he's not physically and mentally prepared to play. Nine years of average to below average play and one hot streak to win a super bowl is a summation of Flacco's career.

[rmcjacket23]

20 minutes ago, DBsRAVENS said:

Then give Flacco a nice seat on the bench. He's doing a disservice to the team if he's not physically and mentally prepared to play. Nine years of average to below average play and one hot streak to win a super bowl is a summation of Flacco's career.

Well except for the fact that a non-physically or mentally prepared is still better than Ryan Mallett and its not close. Ryan Mallett doesn't have a single attribute or skill set that he is better than Joe Flacco at. 

And obviously the cute little "nine years of average or below average play" doesn't hold up to actual things like facts. 2012 and 2014 alone kind of shatter that argument into pieces. 

This myth was debunked a long time ago. 

[hereweare]

  11 hours ago, Moderator 2 said:

What's wrong with Flacco?  It takes 8 to 12 months to physically heal from a torn ACL and it usually takes 18 months total for the physical and mental aspects of a torn acl and he's playing behind a line that's a sieve.  There was the scare when his brace got mangled a few weeks ago and all that plays into the mental aspect.  Here is a chart of what  SB winning QB can expect, Im pulling this because it seems so many are fixated on Joes salary  http://moneynation.com/how-much-money-do-you-make-if-you-win-the-super-bowl/   

Potential salary increase for players who Win Super Bowl              0 to 10 million.

Do y'all realize it has not been a year since we watched our QB tear up his knee?  It  will be a year tomorrow

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000670683/article/flacco-mental-hurdle-toughest-part-of-acl-recovery

psycological recovery of ACL

http://sirc.ca/blog/often-overlooked-psychological-impact-acl-injury

 

Am I making an excuse for Joe's up and down play? Nope as a person that has torn her knee up pretty bad and working on it I understand what it take to gut through it, but this could be a reason his play is off not to mention the turnstile of offensive  coordinators and injury riddle O line it all adds to offensive woes.  Do the fans who play a small fortune for tickets want to hear the excuses NO.

To quote Buddy Ryan, 'If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them

Then give Flacco a nice seat on the bench. He's doing a disservice to the team if he's not physically and mentally prepared to play. Nine years of average to below average play and one hot streak to win a super bowl is a summation of Flacco's career.

fans are always so quick to forget 2014. Flacco had his best season and was lights out in the playoffs again. W/O the "in/eligable player 4olineman play" Belichik pulled out of his butt the Ravens would've cruised to the SB against the Seahawks.

[hereweare]

This offense has been playing without a TE all season and it shows. It's a shame what has happened to Pitta, but he can't get downfield and is a horrible blocking TE. We're missing Ben Watson as he or even Gillmore/Maxx would improve the offense tremendously. Helping the run game and creating a threat in the middle that safeties have to pay attention too.

" Cowboys’ defensive game plan was to play conservatively and stop the deep ball. "
That's how everyone has played us this year, safeties just sit on top of our WRs. The last 6 quarters Marty has adjusted to a heavy dosage of crossing routes and it's looks good, but we need a TE.

[RavensBaltimore]

  11 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  15 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  15 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  16 hours ago, BigUgly said:

For the first quarter, it looked like 2014 under Kubiak - Flacco was under center, we committed to the run, setting up play action and roll-outs. Then, inexplicably, Marty and Joe went back to what this offense truly is - Joe in the shotgun, throwing off his back foot for minimal gains (he only averaged 7.7 yds per attempt overall). How can the coaching staff, the players and the owner not call this out?

Did you watch the game? The offense didn't abandon the run until the 4th qtr, and when they put Joe in shotgun and sped up the tempo, he didn't throw off his back foot for minimal gains. He led the team down the field for a TD, just as he did the last time we went with the no huddle. It worked in Cle, it worked in Dal, and it was a key component in our SB run. That's the type of offense we should run. Keeping Joe under center and trying to set up play action only works when the O-line is consistently opening up holes and pass protecting, and our o-line hasn't done that this year. If we run the type of offense we ran in 2012, this team could be a real contender. Otherwise, we are going to be predictable, put ourselves in too many 3rd and longs, and continue struggling to put up 20 points.

I know what games I have been watching since 2008. When Joe has twice as many pass attempts as rushing attempts, the Ravens typically lose. And for the record, they only ran the ball twice in the second half.

Those stats are like that because the Ravens, like all teams, run when they are ahead and pass when they're behind. Ive never understood why so many people can't understand such a simple concept. Until the final 2 drives, we had 16 runs and 23 passes. Then we had to pass because of the game circumstances, and it worked, but we waited too late to do it. Had we been playing with the lead, we would have mostly run on the final 2 drives, which would have skewed the stats the other way.

If you have balance, you tend not to get so far behind that you have to throw on every down. Regardless, the Ravens have chosen to abandon the run over the past 2 years when they were leading or the game was close. When they do so, they usually don't have much time of possession, which puts pressure on our defense and contributes to so many defensive collapses late in games.

Bottom line, they can't score (7th worst in the league), can't control a game, have no red-zone efficiency whatsoever, and can't come from behind. If you find this acceptable, and want to see more of it going forward, you must really look forward to watching highlights from the Browns.

The Ravens did have balance when we were down 14. That's my point. In a lot of these games where fans say we need to run more, they are balanced until the 4th qtr, but we have to do nothing but pass to try to catch up, which skews the stats. In many of our blowout wins(and you have to go back to 2014 for that) we were very pass heavy while building the lead, but we ran on almost every play in the 4th qtr to milk the clock, which creates the ILLUSION of balance. You can't just look at the box score.

[Rav'n Maniac]

That poke in the eye was blatant and deliberate. Crawford should be fined heavily for it.

[haarvik]

Yet again we see the holes in our game planning. It's like someone went in the locker room at half time and told the Ravens that the Cowboys were supposed to win! How else do you explain getting a completely different team after half time? And don't spout this BS that the Cowboys adjusted an we didn't. If we didn't, then it happens in every single game! That means the coaching staff is at fault. I cannot remember the last time we actually played a full and complete game from start to finish. We either suck in the first half and dominate in the second, or visa versa. I still say Juan Castillo is the problem with the O-line. Has been since Harbs brought him here. How else do you explain one year under Kubiak with a spread offense that almost went to the superbowl, to the next year incapable of winning. THAT is coaching, pure and simple. We have the weapons, but we lack the coaching and leadership required to win games.

[Halshayeji]

On November 21, 2016 at 6:45 PM, crazyboutravens said:

To prove my point about playing receivers closer maybe they would get a big play or two but they would not have run over 20minutes off the clock in the second half. Our two touchdown drivers took 6 mins 23 seconds off the clock. Give our
offense the ball more and they would score more.

I absolutely agree with your premise here as we could have risked it and kept some time on the clock instead of killing ourselves slowly. But I absolutely disagree with the latter part of your statement. If I'm not mistaken, our offense has had the third most possessions this year and scored the third least points per drive. We simply lead the league in 3 and outs. 

[Utah_Raven]

Here's what I saw in the game: 1. Flacco got outplayed by a rookie. 2. Dennis Pitta couldn't block to save his life. 3. We got worked, yet again, by the opposing team's elite WR. Remember OBJ a few weeks ago and AJ Green every time we play the Bengals?