[News] Late For Work 11/21: Eight Takeaways After Cowboys Beat Ravens

[JD08]

Whistle blown or not, Zuttah's hit was unnecessary

[TheRavengers]

35 minutes ago, CQ1 said:

Great point! I bet that Mallett can be as better / better than Joe- contrary to what people are basing their sentiments / facts on.
Mallett did beat Pittsburgh last year- with less weapons. He has more than likely 'matured' while he has been here.
I wish they would have a fan vote, either Flacco or Mallett. I know that the brass does not want a controversy given they are paying Joe a pooload of money. Lets vote......or picket M and T !

Huh?

Mallett only worked because we exhausted every other option after Flacco got hurt, we had Matt Schaub and Jimmy Clausen and neither one of them did particularly good. 

[TheRavengers]

As proof of how un-Raven like our defense was yesterday, I remember one drive in the 2nd half where the Cowboys had 2 penalties that pushed them back to 1st and 30, and then managed to get a first down like 2 plays later. 1st. And. 30.

[JD08]

Also, I really don't understand the logic of playing 10yrds off the WR, they was doing checkdown throws all game, make adjustments

[gregob56]

When he's not getting bull rushed, Zuttah has been a human turnstile all season. Thus, the holding penalties. We will need a new center next year. FWIW, I do think the Unsportsmanlike Penalty was a poor call by the Refs. Not reviewable, much to Harbaugh's chagrin.

BTW, Jordy had control of the ball and established himself in bounds, albeit a very brief moment. IMO, Lee Evans never did control the ball before being stripped.

[LOLUh]

My takeaways from yesterday:

Prevent Defense = slow death by 1,000 cuts. Why back off so far that you just allow the opponent to march down the field using up precious time, and with the same result: easy first downs, followed by a score? Why not stick with a tight defensive posture when it's working?

Flacco = Slow Joe

Why abandon the run game when it's working, and working well? The Ravens coaching staff seems to be stuck in some alternate universe where you aren't allowed to run unless you're up by a score. Some have said that this is not a valid view of yesterday's game because of the time-of-possession, but that's really just more proof: three-and-outs don't use much clock time, especially when it's three incompletes-and-out.  RUN THE DANG BALL.

 

[LOLUh]

8 minutes ago, TheRavengers said:

As proof of how un-Raven like our defense was yesterday, I remember one drive in the 2nd half where the Cowboys had 2 penalties that pushed them back to 1st and 30, and then managed to get a first down like 2 plays later. 1st. And. 30.

I wish I agreed that it was un-raven-like. This is clearly the team posture, this "prevent" defense. The only thing it clearly prevents is us from keeping them from scoring, or us from stopping a slow, steady advance of the opponent

[rmcjacket23]

As proof of how un-Raven like our defense was yesterday, I remember one drive in the 2nd half where the Cowboys had 2 penalties that pushed them back to 1st and 30, and then managed to get a first down like 2 plays later. 1st. And. 30.

3 plays.

[rmcjacket23]

Also, I really don't understand the logic of playing 10yrds off the WR, they was doing checkdown throws all game, make adjustments

Well, you could play press coverage I suppose, but not sure how well you think we would do with Young or Wright in press coverage against Dez Bryant.

[dirtybird66]

OCHO CINCO-i'm available and love the pressure! would you want his baggage? damned right i would! this offense needs some injection of personality,any personality!

[rmcjacket23]

when are the coaches gonna learn, that when u get away from the running game, we lose. period. we weren't in a hole harb, stop making crap up, had we ran the ball more to the outside and stuck with the run game, i think we win, but u come out in half time and start sling it for 3 and outs, eventually your D gonna collapse.

Yeah this is a myth. Go back and look at the 2nd half drives...

1st drive after the half: 22 yard completion on 1st down. We then run it on first down and gain 0 yards.

So you're at 2nd and 10. Very common and obvious passing down, because you don't want to be looking at a 3rd and long. We throw 2 incompletions then and we punt.

2nd drive after the half: throw 2 passes and get a 1st down. We then gain 9 yards on 1st down running the ball, but Zuttah gets a 15 yard penalty that now makes it 2nd and 16. Again, running the ball on 2nd and 16 doesn't accomplish much. So we throw it twice and punt

The next time we get the ball back... we are down 14 points with 11 minutes left. What's the point of running the ball then?

Again, people. Look at the gameflow.

[dirtybird66]

i can see how players can't stand SSSR. I mean why play like that,you can still make plays whithout calling out someones manhood all the time,yeah,people like his fire but if you need that to motivate you in this league,your just an butt!

[rmcjacket23]

My favorite part Ravens avg 6.7 yards a carry yet only 16 runs. Totally abandoned the run.
Clean house if these clowns cant follow the ideology of this organization..Run the ball 30x and win T.o.p., keep defense freah, win the game

Didn't abandon the run in the 2nd half. Can't possibly know that by looking at a box score, which is clearly all you did.

Go back and look at the 2nd half drives and tell me where we should have ran the ball more? I want specifics.

[rmcjacket23]

To prove my point about playing receivers closer maybe they would get a big play or two but they would not have run over 20minutes off the clock in the second half. Our two touchdown drivers took 6 mins 23 seconds off the clock. Give our
offense the ball more and they would score more.

Except pretty much every previous game shows that giving us the ball more doesn't even remotely guarantee that we score more.

[The Greek]

OCHO CINCO-i'm available and love the pressure! would you want his baggage? damned right i would! this offense needs some injection of personality,any personality!

you criticized sss for running his mouth the whole game yet you want ocho cinco for his personalty? you make no sense

[The Greek]

it is a shame that this team relies too heavily on a 37 y.o. receiver. perriman needs to step up.

[steelcityraven]

Two things that have plagued us over the past two or three seasons surfaced once again. Look at our loses over the past several years... and you will see two or three themes:

1. Penalties
2. Injuries
3. Cannot get off of the field on 3rd down!

These are three issues (and at least 2 that are controllable) that we continue to allow to happen.
1. Penalties continue to kill us and we are not good enough to put ourselves in a hole on either side of the ball

2. Injuries... IDK but it seems to happen to us way more then other teams... is it a preparation thing? is it a training thing or over training? What is going on. I get it all teams have injuries but we seem to lead that league every year in games missed.

3. Getting off of the field on third down... its the same things as not being able to close teams out at the end of games. We are too passive and pay for it - when it counts the most... over and over again~

[steelcityraven]

Our wins are
The Bills (on the bubble as a play off team)
The Sqeelers (also on the bubble)
The Jags (who are horrible)
and
The Browns twice (who are worse)

That is scary when we look at the fact that we cannot seem to beat the good teams. What does that say about us even if we make the play offs. Unless something happens and fast

[billiejean]

  1 hour ago, SUGGStobeDUMED said:

Has Webb defended A pass this year?? It is 5 years over due..Cut Him Loose This Offseason

 

As a SS his prime job isn't pass defense, but tackling. And as such, this last game he had the second most tackles, and is usually among our top tacklers - so, I guess he's been doing a good job. Judging an SS by the number of deflected passes is like judging a RB by his deep pass catching ability: not necessarily fair.

Web is the FS. Weddle spends a lot more time in the box than Webb does but every so often they bring Webb up to blitz. Webb plays bigger than he is and is not afraid to step up in the run game if need be.

[fluffy201]

Biggest thing with the Ravens now seem to be the Offensive line, which probably attributes to Joe's horrible play. Perhaps another first round pick on the O Line. Our run game is an abomination.

[TheRavengers]

18 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

Our wins are
The Bills (on the bubble as a play off team)
The Sqeelers (also on the bubble)
The Jags (who are horrible)
and
The Browns twice (who are worse)

That is scary when we look at the fact that we cannot seem to beat the good teams. What does that say about us even if we make the play offs. Unless something happens and fast

If we make the playoffs, the Ravens seem to know what's up and play better, as our recent playoff record would show. We can't beat the good teams this year because we always have like 1 or 2 good offensive drives and then stall every other time, having to rely on the defense to keep us afloat. 

Odd because in previous years, we usually beat the good teams but lost to bad ones because we played down to their level.

[RavensBaltimore]

Crying for more runs make absolutely no sense. Before the final 2 drives, we had 16 runs and 23 pass attempts. That's pretty balanced, and it wasn't working. The rushing average was inflated because of 1 first qtr drive, but besides that, running was doing nothing but killing drives.

On our first 2nd half drive, we completed a 22 yd pass, then ran for no yds, which put us in an obvious passing situation, and we punt.

On our next drive, we get another 1st down throwing the ball, then run for 9 yds and get a penalty, so on 2nd and 16, you're not going to run it.

When we finally stopped running the ball, we went down the field and scored a TD.

On our final drive, we had less than 2 mins to get 2 scores. We really only abandoned the run on one drive, and it resulted in a TD.

[Swift 1]

I was shocked that only two or three of the 'fans' in  in here noticed how Zak just stood around in the pocket yesterday in the second half, If Joe had that much time we would of scored forty points. There also only three guys that wrote about Joe  not having the ball in the second half What game were you all watching?

 

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[Minionhunter]

Whistle blown or not, Zuttah's hit was unnecessary

Nope. His hit was fine and necessary. The Dallas player was illegally facemasking Dixon and Zuttah cleaned him off of Dixon. That is what you want to see. People are riled because his other two penalties cost us dearly killing drives, just like this one. However the holding call on him was bogus. The refs screwed us. Everyone talks about the no call when the guy tackled Aiken, but less so when Wallace was held and when Dez pushed off Young's facemask to convert the third down. It was a terribly called game.

[griffrb]

My take aways: 1. We lost. 2. We're not a great team. We simply need better players with explosiveness and mental discipline. 3. 31 players on this team was in high school and college in 2012. 4. Coaching, game-planning, and in-game adjustments must improve. 5. We still control our destiny. Go Ravens!

[Crusader]

Back in the old days you did that to a Ravens QB there be some payback but those days are gone.

[rmcjacket23]

Our wins are
The Bills (on the bubble as a play off team)
The Sqeelers (also on the bubble)
The Jags (who are horrible)
and
The Browns twice (who are worse)

That is scary when we look at the fact that we cannot seem to beat the good teams. What does that say about us even if we make the play offs. Unless something happens and fast

Not that uncommon for a Ravens playoff team though...

2014:
Record against teams above .500 - 1-6
Record against teams .500 or worse - 9-0

We then went on to beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh (the lone above .500 team we beat in the regular season) and came pretty close to beating the SB champs as well in their building

[Crusader]

Seriously, if the Ravens win the division this year their surely guaranteed two loses come next year. That means the Patriots and the Raiders at current state. Unless the Ravens improve which they have not done that in 3 years. minus Kubrick.

[Steve32]

Seriously, if the Ravens win the division this year their surely guaranteed two loses come next year. That means the Patriots and the Raiders at current state. Unless the Ravens improve which they have not done that in 3 years. minus Kubrick.

Always looking for the negative in everything.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Harbaugh said a big reason was because the Ravens fell into a hole and needed to pass more to try to catch back up. The offense also simply didn’t get the ball much with the Cowboys dominating the time of possession.

THIS IS A BS EXCUSE!!! We started the 2nd half tied 10 - 10 and came out throwing!!! Absolutely no reason to abandon the run this early in the game!!!

Coaching has been absolutely horrible all season!!!