The Perriman Thread

[RaineV1]

With the way Perriman gets open so often, if him and Joe can hook up on even 60% of passes to him he'll put up big numbers.

Edited October 21, 2016 by RaineV1

[JoeyFlex5]

On 10/19/2016 at 10:27 PM, RaineV1 said:

With the way Perriman gets open so often, if him and Joe and hook up on even 60% of passes to him he'll put up big numbers.

Timing man. BP is pulling away from dbs often by pure speed but once he gets some little nuances down and gets timing with joe, then suddenly these moments aren't too big for him and he is catching passes and getting a rhythm.

[CorvusMagnus]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Timing man. BP is pulling away from dbs often by pure speed but once he gets some little nuances down and gets timing with joe, then suddenly these moments aren't too big for him and he is catching passes and getting a rhythm.

That is my observation as well.

Perriman is catching fine when he is able to put his eyes on the ball and follow its trajectory in flight. If you look at his stats, his drops tend to come on very short throws where there is limited time to adjust to the ball in flight, and very long bombs where he is trying to keep his eyes off the ball until the last second to avoid tipping the DB.

The key is having an internal clock synchronized with the QB which allows you to position yourself based on where your memory knows the ball will be, rather then where your eyes say it will be. In other words these are the most "chemistry" dependent throws, and require the QB to be consistent in their execution as well (I actually think this is no. 1 secret to Brady's success).

To me the most encouraging thing about Perriman is that his best work has been on contested throws where he hasn't been schemed loose, beat his man and Flacco isn't throwing him open. What separates a no. 1 from a no. 2 like Wallace or Torrey is the ability to produce when the other team is planning their whole backfield around keeping you covered, and I think Perriman is showing flashes of that.

Edited October 21, 2016 by CorvusMagnus

[BmoreBird22]

For anyone who would prefer Coates, he has a drop percentage of 21% this year.

Absurd.

[gtalk12]

4 hours ago, CorvusMagnus said:

That is my observation as well.

Perriman is catching fine when he is able to put his eyes on the ball and follow its trajectory in flight. If you look at his stats, his drops tend to come on very short throws where there is limited time to adjust to the ball in flight, and very long bombs where he is trying to keep his eyes off the ball until the last second to avoid tipping the DB.

The key is having an internal clock synchronized with the QB which allows you to position yourself based on where your memory knows the ball will be, rather then where your eyes say it will be. In other words these are the most "chemistry" dependent throws, and require the QB to be consistent in their execution as well (I actually think this is no. 1 secret to Brady's success).

To me the most encouraging thing about Perriman is that his best work has been on contested throws where he hasn't been schemed loose, beat his man and Flacco isn't throwing him open. What separates a no. 1 from a no. 2 like Wallace or Torrey is the ability to produce when the other team is planning their whole backfield around keeping you covered, and I think Perriman is showing flashes of that.

There are about 3 plays so far this year he's made that have got me out of my seat. He's made some plays that are impressive

[OUravensfan]

3 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

There are about 3 plays so far this year he's made that have got me out of my seat. He's made some plays that are impressive

So far the scouting report is as accurate as I've ever seen. He'll make plays that make you go WOW, we finally got our true #1, then he'll proceed to drop 5 easy passes....So far it's dead on. I'll reserve judgement and give him more time, we'd all feel so much better about him if he got his foot in bounds on that last play vs the Redskins, it really was a shame....Or if he caught the perfect  bomb earlier in the game for a TD.

[Cillmatic]

This guy HAS to show up for more than one play against the Jets.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Cillmatic

[gtalk12]

11 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

So far the scouting report is as accurate as I've ever seen. He'll make plays that make you go WOW, we finally got our true #1, then he'll proceed to drop 5 easy passes....So far it's dead on. I'll reserve judgement and give him more time, we'd all feel so much better about him if he got his foot in bounds on that last play vs the Redskins, it really was a shame....Or if he caught the perfect  bomb earlier in the game for a TD.

and that was one hell of a catch, had he come down with it I think alot of casual fans wouldn't be rushing to call him a bust. not many players can do what he did, especially nobody on our team with the speed to get there. 

[OUravensfan]

14 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

This guy better show up for more than one play against the Jets.

 

11 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

and that was one hell of a catch, had he come down with it I think alot of casual fans wouldn't be rushing to call him a bust. not many players can do what he did, especially nobody on our team with the speed to get there. 

I agree entirely, the narrative is drastically different if he makes that play.

I also agree that some consistency would be nice in his play, granted it's his first 6 games, but he does seem to make one good play and then disappear. We should almost try to force him the ball early on with some short routes to get him in the game. We really have Mike Wallace right now and no one else since SSS is injured, so the sooner this guy ramps up the better. Same goes for Chris Moore, but he has been all drops and no impressive catches unlike Perriman. I thought this forum jumped the gun a little early when we were proclaiming this is the best group of WRs Joe's ever had; but I also thought that spoke volumes as to the lack of talent we've had around Joe when compared to other QBs, like my go to contrasting example----Dalton....

[Cillmatic]

11 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

 

I agree entirely, the narrative is drastically different if he makes that play.

I also agree that some consistency would be nice in his play, granted it's his first 6 games, but he does seem to make one good play and then disappear. We should almost try to force him the ball early on with some short routes to get him in the game. We really have Mike Wallace right now and no one else since SSS is injured, so the sooner this guy ramps up the better. Same goes for Chris Moore, but he has been all drops and no impressive catches unlike Perriman. I thought this forum jumped the gun a little early when we were proclaiming this is the best group of WRs Joe's ever had; but I also thought that spoke volumes as to the lack of talent we've had around Joe when compared to other QBs, like my go to contrasting example----Dalton....

If Perriman or Moore don't step up we may have the worst WR core in the LEAGUE next year. Might have to draft another WR high.

[OUravensfan]

45 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

If Perriman or Moore don't step up we may have the worst WR core in the LEAGUE next year. Might have to draft another WR high.

Recently ESPN I think ranked us at 28 or 29, so we're close. I think we need to acquire a good possession WR in FA next off season, especially with SSS retiring. I was irritated we didn't go after Crabtree a few years ago and was surprised he went so long unsigned. We can't afford another draft bust (not saying Moore and Perriman are), we need a proven safe guy. 

We need to go after pass rusher, CB and O line hard.

Edited October 21, 2016 by OUravensfan

[January J]

55 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Recently ESPN I think ranked us at 28 or 29, so we're close. I think we need to acquire a good possession WR in FA next off season, especially with SSS retiring. I was irritated we didn't go after Crabtree a few years ago and was surprised he went so long unsigned. We can't afford another draft bust (not saying Moore and Perriman are), we need a proven safe guy. 

We need to go after pass rusher, CB and O line hard.

Sheppard would've been a really good pick for us IMO.

Edited October 21, 2016 by January J

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, OUravensfan said:

Recently ESPN I think ranked us at 28 or 29, so we're close. I think we need to acquire a good possession WR in FA next off season, especially with SSS retiring. I was irritated we didn't go after Crabtree a few years ago and was surprised he went so long unsigned. We can't afford another draft bust (not saying Moore and Perriman are), we need a proven safe guy. 

We need to go after pass rusher, CB and O line hard.

I was advocating big time for Crabtree to be brought in,  he didn't have many supporters here if I remember correctly.  I have no issue bring in veterans to. Be a number one and drafting young wrs,  problem is we need the young wrs to step up. 

Garcon,  vjax,  wheaton,  Robert Woods,  Ginn Jr,  lafell,  Kendall Wright,  Kenny Britt,  Michael Floyd are all USA next year, of course not counting players who might get cut, which is where we normally pounce.   Not a flattering list,  although part year I was speculating that Garcon would be cut and we would Go after him.  

[gtalk12]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I was advocating big time for Crabtree to be brought in,  he didn't have many supporters here if I remember correctly.  I have no issue bring in veterans to. Be a number one and drafting young wrs,  problem is we need the young wrs to step up. 

Garcon,  vjax,  wheaton,  Robert Woods,  Ginn Jr,  lafell,  Kendall Wright,  Kenny Britt,  Michael Floyd are all USA next year, of course not counting players who might get cut, which is where we normally pounce.   Not a flattering list,  although part year I was speculating that Garcon would be cut and we would Go after him.  

 

gets my vote

[PurpleHorseman]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I was advocating big time for Crabtree to be brought in,  he didn't have many supporters here if I remember correctly.  I have no issue bring in veterans to. Be a number one and drafting young wrs,  problem is we need the young wrs to step up. 

Garcon,  vjax,  wheaton,  Robert Woods,  Ginn Jr,  lafell,  Kendall Wright,  Kenny Britt,  Michael Floyd are all USA next year, of course not counting players who might get cut, which is where we normally pounce.   Not a flattering list,  although part year I was speculating that Garcon would be cut and we would Go after him.  

Not a flattering selection. Wright is the only one that arouses me. But I don't think Tennessee will let him go. Floyd could be interesting. He has flashed before Palmer's shoulder and elbow injuries flared up again. But again I don't see him leaving Arizona with Fitzgerald's age a factor. But if Floyd were smart he would sign a one year contract with a team that is stable at the QB position.

[Davesta]

Sad that we can't draft and groom WRs and our #1s are usually free agent ones who has 1-3 good years left. 

[usmccharles]

51 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Sad that we can't draft and groom WRs and our #1s are usually free agent ones who has 1-3 good years left. 

I think its a catch22.  Yea i would love for us to be able to draft and develop wrs, but then we are going to have to watch them leave in FA for the money, ie Torrey Smith.  Or we could pay a little more up front to bring in known commodities, ie SSr, Boldin, Wallace and get actual production.  So i can see an argument for either side, but id rather sign FA WRs and use our draft picks for young talent for CB, DL, OL, pash rushers, etc...

[JoeyFlex5]

Floyd would be a great fit. For years I said big jumpball receivers were overrated but now I really do think that's what we do best with. Were a speed and size offense and we always will be with joe at qb. He likes to go for the throat every time the opportunity presents itself and we need a guy who can capitalize

[Maryland]

12 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

For anyone who would prefer Coates, he has a drop percentage of 21% this year.

Absurd.

Hah! Wow, that's approaching Limas Sweed territory. 

[dtfrink2011]

His play is actually getting better!!! He just a rookie, who needs experience!!! Flaco is missing too many targets he's not seeing the field!!!

[bravensfan52]

On 10/21/2016 at 8:34 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Floyd would be a great fit. For years I said big jumpball receivers were overrated but now I really do think that's what we do best with. Were a speed and size offense and we always will be with joe at qb. He likes to go for the throat every time the opportunity presents itself and we need a guy who can capitalize

Floyd is going to be cheap FA. He has been terrible this season

[reed20]

1 catch for 11 yards. Bust.

 

Defenders..?

[OUravensfan]

6 minutes ago, reed20 said:

1 catch for 11 yards. Bust.

 

Defenders..?

He showed good hands and put fear into the DB with that catch though 

[Tank 92]

Perriman and Flacco aren't in the same book much less on the same page. 

[OUravensfan]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Perriman and Flacco aren't in the same book much less on the same page. 

The entire offense is broken

[K-Dog]

10 minutes ago, reed20 said:

1 catch for 11 yards. Bust.

 

Defenders..?

Can I judge you on one single event?

So your first month working the French fry vat you batted 1,000 ?

( or what ever you do for a living I have no clue.  I was just using French fry cook as an example because I am hungery 

 

[reed20]

1 minute ago, K-Dog said:

Can I judge you on one single event?

So your first month working the French fry vat you batted 1,000 ?

( or what ever you do for a living I have no clue.  I was just using French fry cook as an example because I am hungery 

 

One event? He's played football his whole life and got drafted in the first round!! You guys act like we just picked this kid from off the street and put a helmet on him. He has NOT lived up to the expectations of even an undrafted rookie thrown onto the field. At least some of them can catch some of the passes he dropped. He SUCKS

[K-Dog]

1 minute ago, reed20 said:

One event? He's played football his whole life and got drafted in the first round!! You guys act like we just picked this kid from off the street and put a helmet on him. He has NOT lived up to the expectations of even an undrafted rookie thrown onto the field. At least some of them can catch some of the passes he dropped. He SUCKS

So yeah. You are right.

A WR in the NFL is a cake walk. Yeah cause there are 1,000's of HIGHLY successful WR's  coming out of college every draft. I mean heck I could probably go do it right? I mean there has never ever been a learning and development curve coming from college right? Every singe college WR has a 10 catch 1,000  yard rookie season right?

Not to mention when your QB has .023 seconds to take the snap before a defender is standing on his larynx. 

.023 seconds is enough time for a play to develop isn't it? I mean surely he, or any WR can get down the field and maintain separation in .023 seconds right?

Yeah. You are right. He is not Flash Gordon.  He is a bum.

[rudywasoffsides]

Did Perriman play today? Didn't notice him once 

[reed20]

7 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

So yeah. You are right.

A WR in the NFL is a cake walk. Yeah cause there are 1,000's of HIGHLY successful WR's  coming out of college every draft. I mean heck I could probably go do it right? I mean there has never ever been a learning and development curve coming from college right? Every singe college WR has a 10 catch 1,000  yard rookie season right?

Not to mention when your QB has .023 seconds to take the snap before a 

Yeah. You are right. He is not Flash Gordon.  He is a bum.

We're obviously not going to agree. I'll just quote you and others the day Perriman gets cut from this team when its become universal knowledge that he's a bum with speed.