The Perriman Thread

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

and it was largely overblown. not completely, but perrimans drop issues in college were no worse than julio jones or demaryius thomas in college who both had drops then and still do. 

Is it overblown? All these drops and non-catches he already has, and it's only six weeks in...that's pretty alarming.

And FWIW, I thought, and still do, think Perriman was a great pick.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Is it overblown? All these drops and non-catches he already has, and it's only six weeks in...that's pretty alarming.

And FWIW, I thought, and still do, think Perriman was a great pick.

 

It's overblown in the sense that people are calling him a bust.

 

That being said it's a problem but a correctable one. He doesn't have butterfingers, but lapses in concentration. His circus catches display strong hands, but he needs to work on his routes over the middle the most. 

Again, considering that he's literally trial by fire and hasn't had much time to work on his receptions over the middle during training camp, I'm honestly surprised by what he has done. 

A breakout game is coming. Whether this year or next year. It may take a year for him to develop, but he's done things that show he could be a #1 WR. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

Is it overblown? All these drops and non-catches he already has, and it's only six weeks in...that's pretty alarming.

And FWIW, I thought, and still do, think Perriman was a great pick.

his drops never looked nearly this bad. 

it also should be noted, that what a lot of people have called drops were actually just good plays by the db, and i can only attribute one of his "drops" to bad hands, and that was the whiff on the deep ball last week. the drag today was a bad throw, he had 3 or 4 very well defended balls thrown his way in previous weeks, and was put in some very unfair situations as well(like jumpballs vs haden and norman). 

yeah, right now, the concerns about his hands look legit, but you also cant discount the ridiculous catches hes made, and also need to chalk some of it up to timing and awareness, because some of it looks like exactly that, which wouldnt be surprising considering the lack of practice and reps hes had so far. 

i share a bit of concern, but im far from ready to call him a bust.

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i agree, tavon young may have been the steal of the draft but he isnt a 1 or even a 2, hes just a possibly elite nickel back who needs to get some more experience. the chiefs shocking everyone taking marcus peters really screwed us, and i still wish we took byron jones over perriman even though im a big perriman supporter.

next years cb class is so freaking loaded, i will be livid if we dont address it in a major way. desmond king or tre'davious white in the first are my guys.

I like Tavon but he just came off an ugly game. He got an interception but he had a welcome to the NFL moment today. Odell took him to school. BMoreBird22 said this and I agree with him, why not stock up on CBs? We did it with TE, how on Earth do we not do it with CBs? We always rely on this thinking of someone stepping up and well, if you look at the resume's of guys we rely to step up, Chykie Brown, Rashaan Melvin, Shareece Wright, ect..then you really won't find much. No more excuses at CB for Oz. Just no more. It could be a 3 season long problem now. It's just too much for this defense. I wouldn't mind us going CB back to back in the draft if we sign a legit pass rusher honestly. There's some good CBs in the first round, I say we should get one. I like the idea of Jimmy-1st Round CB-Tavon-Davis

Edited October 17, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

It's overblown in the sense that people are calling him a bust.

Well, that's not overblowing things, that is just people's ignorance shining through. I mean seriously, how simple minded do you have to be to call someone a bust after six games?

[flynismo]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

his drops never looked nearly this bad. 

it also should be noted, that what a lot of people have called drops were actually just good plays by the db, and i can only attribute one of his "drops" to bad hands, and that was the whiff on the deep ball last week. the drag today was a bad throw, he had 3 or 4 very well defended balls thrown his way in previous weeks, and was put in some very unfair situations as well(like jumpballs vs haden and norman). 

yeah, right now, the concerns about his hands look legit, but you also cant discount the ridiculous catches hes made, and also need to chalk some of it up to timing and awareness, because some of it looks like exactly that, which wouldnt be surprising considering the lack of practice and reps hes had so far. 

i share a bit of concern, but im far from ready to call him a bust.

By my count, it is three legit drops, but that's besides the point. He's playing exactly how he did in college -- makes an insane play, then follows it up by botching a routine one.

We need to figure out how to use him to his full potential...which means we're going to need to start giving him more snaps. The sooner, the better in my opinion, assuming he has fully recovered from his injury this offseason.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

By my count, it is three legit drops, but that's besides the point. He's playing exactly how he did in college -- makes an insane play, then follows it up by botching a routine one.

We need to figure out how to use him to his full potential...which means we're going to need to start giving him more snaps. The sooner, the better in my opinion, assuming he has fully recovered from his injury this offseason.

 

Well he's running like a gazell given the play where he dropped the deep bomb, so I would assume he's good to go. 

 

We need to use him deep more often. If we can establish Perriman as a deep threat like Wallace is established that makes things REALLY hard for opposing defensive coordinators. 

[flynismo]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

We need to use him deep more often.

No need to pigeon hole him. Let his play show where he does his best work, and ride it for all it's worth. He has the size and tempremant to be a guy who can fight his way through the middle of the field on a slant too...and if he makes a guy miss, off to the races...without being too grandiose, a lot of people compare him to DT over in Denver, and that's a great comparison. I think he has a bit of DT and Julio in him. 

[reed20]

4 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

Exactly, no one else on this team is making those type of catches.

Sure, when you compare someone that sucks to other players that also suck he might look alright. At least Aiken made a play when we really needed it. What did breshad do? Used his 4.2 speed to run a cute 5 yard route.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, reed20 said:

Sure, when you compare someone that sucks to other players that also suck he might look alright. At least Aiken made a play when we really needed it. What did breshad do? Used his 4.2 speed to run a cute 5 yard route.

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You know the offensive coordinator calls the plays right?And he sparked the first drive. Granted we did nothing but kick a FG but that doesn't happen without Perriman. Try again

[Cville-Raven]

8 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Sure, when you compare someone that sucks to other players that also suck he might look alright. At least Aiken made a play when we really needed it. What did breshad do? Used his 4.2 speed to run a cute 5 yard route.

You seem to forget the catch he made on the opening drive which gave us points. Over half the yards of that drive came from that catch. But hey keep the hate coming. 

[Maryland]

Pretty early to call him a bust in my opinion, considering he missed all of TC and his rookie season, but you can call him whatever you want--that's the beauty of opinions. Hell, you can even attest that you were right about him all along even if he turns into a perennial pro-bowler someday, since I doubt anyone would call you out on it anyway. 

[CaliRavenFan]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

Pretty early to call him a bust in my opinion, considering he missed all of TC and his rookie season, but you can call him whatever you want--that's the beauty of opinions. Hell, you can even attest that you were right about him all along even if he turns into a perennial pro-bowler someday, since I doubt anyone would call you out on it anyway. 

I have already realised that he is going to have a breakout year next year and price himself out of Baltimore after that. Sadly we are about to lose Brandon Williams this offseason..

[Edreedbest20]

Bust for what? Its his first full season. Can't hit the panic button on him. He has made some very tough catches. Yes, he do drop passes that should be caught, but he will end up getting that together. People did the same thing to Torrey Smith and look how he turned out

[darklight1216]

I don't think 6 games is quite enough to label a career. (Anyone remember Mark Sanchez?)

That said he's obviously not blowing anyone's mind either. 

As we all know, Baltimore has never drafted a truely great receiver and Perriman hasn't yet proven to be the exception. But there is still time. 

[jimmypowder]

All I can say is don't throw to Perriman on 3rd down ! 

Feed Pitta,Gilmore, Wallace before going to Perriman because he may drop it . 

[MrDelDante]

Perriman was the one guy I didn't want us to draft 2 years ago. Just offers nothing. Stone hands. Lack of concentration. Waste of a pick. We'll never learn.

[flynismo]

Just now, MrDelDante said:

Perriman was the one guy I didn't want us to draft 2 years ago. Just offers nothing. Stone hands. Lack of concentration. Waste of a pick. We'll never learn.

Haha these kind of answers never fail to get a chuckle out of me....I kindly suggest you review our draft history. You'll get a good laugh out of that observation too after you do..

[Tank 92]

At this point there is no way you can call Breshad a bust, but obviously the drops are most concerning. After all catching the ball is the one thing a receiver HAS to do to succeed on any level, from Pop Warner through to the NFL. And what increases the concern is that it's the easy catches that he blows, lapses in concentration. 

Hopefully Breshad can get this worked out because he has the tools to a great one for us.

[OUravensfan]

16 hours ago, mmcclend said:

He actually flashed today. I think perriman will actually be okay, just not a star. He just needs to keep improving. 

I've never seen a scouting report so true so far; he'll make the most athletic, impressive catches you'll see from a WR and then proceed to drop 3 routine catches....

So far this has happened almost every game

[jimmypowder]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

At this point there is no way you can call Breshad a bust, but obviously the drops are most concerning. After all catching the ball is the one thing a receiver HAS to do to succeed on any level, from Pop Warner through to the NFL. And what increases the concern is that it's the easy catches that he blows, lapses in concentration. 

Hopefully Breshad can get this worked out because he has the tools to a great one for us.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt this year as he missed two training camps just about completely. 

Next year after a full training camp there will be no excuses. I think at that point if he's dropping easy passes

then you can call him a bust. 

 

[TuckerTime9]

2 hours ago, MrDelDante said:

Perriman was the one guy I didn't want us to draft 2 years ago. Just offers nothing. Stone hands. Lack of concentration. Waste of a pick. We'll never learn.

Lack of concentration? The guy is one of the most humble and motivated guys on this team. Go read through his twitter. It really seems like he breaths football and works his butt off. The results will come with time. Be patient

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, flynismo said:

By my count, it is three legit drops, but that's besides the point. He's playing exactly how he did in college -- makes an insane play, then follows it up by botching a routine one.

We need to figure out how to use him to his full potential...which means we're going to need to start giving him more snaps. The sooner, the better in my opinion, assuming he has fully recovered from his injury this offseason.

I wasn't saying he only had 1 drop. Just one drop that was straight up bad hands, for example the dropped drag was a bad throw, you can't throw behind your receiver on a drag, that's one of the hardest wide open catches you could ever make and most fans can't even understand because it looks routine. 

I'm saying he has bad timing and needs a lot of reps, so I agree with you. The natural talent is obvious, if this was cam Cameron's system he would've done set the league on fire because that was all talent and effort based on the receivers part, but these new systems require timing that he hasn't learned yet.

Hopefully with reps he gets it down.

[Drew P]

No way in hell the guy has 4.2 speed unless every CB he's squared up against does as well

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

23 hours ago, kennethyamini1989 said:

He looks like another Mark Clayton...dropping easy passes. This game was set up for him to break out, and he fell flat. He wasn't worth a 1st round pick imo. 

Dude go home. Youre clearly here just to stir stuff up.

And if youre not, and these posts are your serious player and team analysis - then sorry, but youre a... 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

There was once a receiver in his first year... on a really good team, with at the time the greatest QB of all time. In fact, a SB roster.

Through his first 11 games he had 26 receptions. 

AND 10 DROPS.

He was coming off a performance in his 11th game where he had 1 catch, 2 drops and a fumble. The fans were ready to run him out of town. 

The guys name was Jerry Rice, btw. With twice the sample size Perriman has so far. And, no this isnt to say that Perriman will be RIce. Just how stupid it is, and some of you are, to say anything definitive about anyone or anything after so few samples.

Rice went on to have some of the best hands ever. But he averaged a drop per game over the first 2/3's of his rookie year.... and many in clutch, inopportune moments when the team really need him. They went 6-5 over that stretch.

They righted that ship. 

[flynismo]

4 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Dude go home. Youre clearly here just to stir stuff up.

And if youre not, and these posts are your serious player and team analysis - then sorry, but youre a.. .

Sadly, he is serious...

[jboy19]

There's definitely legitimate complaints about Perriman. I was one of the most displeased people after the Perriman draft pick. But regardless, he can still turn things around. Still too early to call him a bust. Realistically, it will probably take until next season to make a good call on his value. 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

There's definitely legitimate complaints about Perriman. I was one of the most displeased people after the Perriman draft pick. But regardless, he can still turn things around. Still too early to call him a bust. Realistically, it will probably take until next season to make a good call on his value. 

Next year is when it should be ample time to see what he is.  Yes some players do develop earlier but for ones who don't,  they should be given time.  Although,  not too sure how many wrs explode in their third year 

[jboy19]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Next year is when it should be ample time to see what he is.  Yes some players do develop earlier but for ones who don't,  they should be given time.  Although,  not too sure how many wrs explode in their third year 

This is basically his first year since he couldn't really practice last year and didn't play. I think everyone considered him very raw when he was drafted. He'll need some time. It's not like he's going anywhere.