The Perriman Thread

[reed20]

3 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Guys it's six games into his career... SMH

Soon it'll be "guys he's only 47 games into his career give him time"

 

The man sucks. If he was any good there'd be SOME kind of flashes but there's nothing but dropped passes.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Except he's not a rookie.

lol, really? 

all that year one experience must have made a world of difference.. clearly he should be in midseason form by now.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, reed20 said:

Soon it'll be "guys he's only 47 games into his career give him time"

 

The man sucks. If he was any good there'd be SOME kind of flashes but there's nothing but dropped passes.

EXCEPT THERE ARE FLASHES.... Smh.

 

The first week against Gillmore. A good corner. The route run the next week where he breaks the DBs ankles and gets wide open over the middle. The catch last week vs the Redskins where he hurt Norman and this week in double coverage he goes up and catches a lob.

 

At this point in his career you know who he is.. He's the Jacoby Jones of the team. Not the best hands, but he can make a big play.

 

SMH

[Cville-Raven]

1 minute ago, reed20 said:

The man sucks. If he was any good there'd be SOME kind of flashes but there's nothing but dropped passes.

lol really? 

Edited October 17, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, reed20 said:

Soon it'll be "guys he's only 47 games into his career give him time"

 

The man sucks. If he was any good there'd be SOME kind of flashes but there's nothing but dropped passes.

youre kidding right? 

this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen on these boards. no flashes? what the hell are these amazing circus catches hes making? those arent flashes i guess.. and the separation hes getting and the fact that he actually is catching balls? when a db smacks a ball out of his hands and makes a great play its not a drop, its a good play by the defender that also gets paid to go make plays. 

the bolded part... really.. is just flat out false.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

i have this tip..if you really want a player in the 1st round give up your 2nd round pick. if not dont pick a bad player..cody, brown, correa etc

 

i think its time this FO stop being pansies and just get the player they want and give up what would likely be a future whatever/bust player that they would select in the 2nd. history shows that our 2nd round picks are mostly busts anyway

What history? Our recent history in the 2nd round is probably close to 50%. 

2010: Kindle, Cody

2011: Torrey Smith

2012: Upshaw, KO

2013: Brown

2014: Jernigan

2015: Williams

2016: Correa

It's too early to judge  Williams or Correa, but I do think they've been disappointments so far but Correa is only a disappointment because you expect a high 2nd round pick to make an immediate impact but he was clearly requiring development when we drafted him, so expecting an immediate impact was a bit unwise, IMO. Jernigan looked good as a rookie, regressed in year 2, and has really come into his own this year. Brown never amounted to much and was definitely a bust. I personally think Upshaw was a bust and it's hard to convince me otherwise. KO wasn't a bust but we didn't retain him. It's also hard to call Torrey Smith a bust when he had a big impact for us while here, but he never became a #1 WR but he was a good #2 for sure. Hard to call him a bust, honestly. Cody was a bust. Kindle is a bust only for injury because he had talent. 

So...that's 1 injury, 3 busts, 3 impact players, and 2 undecided. That's 50% success. 

[reed20]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

are you referring to the dropped drag pass? the one where he was running full speed laterally and flacco put the ball a half yard behind him? 

yeah, total bust for dropping that incredibly difficult pass.

Incredibly difficult? Yea it wasn't perfect but the play still should have been made. He also couldn't get open, all day.

[reed20]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

youre kidding right? 

this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen on these boards. no flashes? what the hell are these amazing circus catches hes making? those arent flashes i guess.. and the separation hes getting and the fact that he actually is catching balls? when a db smacks a ball out of his hands and makes a great play its not a drop, its a good play by the defender that also gets paid to go make plays. 

the bolded part... really.. is just flat out false.

Those one trick pony receptions? Where are his touchdowns? Where is he when we need a hero? SSS is our hero. That's a REAL receiver.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

What history? Our recent history in the 2nd round is probably close to 50%. 

2010: Kindle, Cody

2011: Torrey Smith

2012: Upshaw, KO

2013: Brown

2014: Jernigan

2015: Williams

2016: Correa

It's too early to judge  Williams or Correa, but I do think they've been disappointments so far but Correa is only a disappointment because you expect a high 2nd round pick to make an immediate impact but he was clearly requiring development when we drafted him, so expecting an immediate impact was a bit unwise, IMO. Jernigan looked good as a rookie, regressed in year 2, and has really come into his own this year. Brown never amounted to much and was definitely a bust. I personally think Upshaw was a bust and it's hard to convince me otherwise. KO wasn't a bust but we didn't retain him. It's also hard to call Torrey Smith a bust when he had a big impact for us while here, but he never became a #1 WR but he was a good #2 for sure. Hard to call him a bust, honestly. Cody was a bust. Kindle is a bust only for injury because he had talent. 

So...that's 1 injury, 3 busts, 3 impact players, and 2 undecided. That's 50% success. 

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btw Jernigan seems very hot and cold. dont get me started on kindle..average bend..

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Incredibly difficult? Yea it wasn't perfect but the play still should have been made. He also couldn't get open, all day.

a poorly thrown ball on a drag route, yes, is incredibly difficult, youre running full speed and need to go the complete opposite way to catch the high velocity pass. 

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, Sami84 said:

btw Jernigan seems very hot and cold. dont get me started on kindle..average bend..

You can't call Kindle a true bust, though, due to the injury. The reality is we will never know. Jernigan has looked good this year. We'll see if it continues. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Those one trick pony receptions? Where are his touchdowns? Where is he when we need a hero? SSS is our hero. That's a REAL receiver.

those "one trick pony receptions" are huge plays and receptions that nobody on this team can make. 

and SSS is hurt and is retiring after this year, deal with it and suck it up. 

[Sami84]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

You can't call Kindle a true bust, though, due to the injury. The reality is we will never know. Jernigan has looked good this year. We'll see if it continues. 

for me he was an average prospect. He wasnt explosive and his bend hardly elite. He could have developed into an ok edge setter but nothing more

[Willbacker]

No. Not yet. We lose a game and he's a bust. Whatever.

[K-Dog]

20 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErltN7nuC1c

yup definitely looks like a "95% of NFL" catch..../s

He even takes a shot from the safety on the way down.

Oh but he shoulda' landed on his feet and ran it in for a touchdown !!!!!
Oh what a scrub. What a looser. What a bust.  He coulda' done SO MUCH MORE !!!!!

[/sarcasm] ( hater logic )

That catch was pretty amazing for reals.

[Davesta]

Cj, Ronnie Stanley, Timmy Jernigan, b will. Those are the only draft picks (rounds 1-3) that pan out in the last 4 years 

2013: Elam, Arthur brown, b will

2014: cj, Timmy jern, Terrence brooks
 

2015 (the bust class): perriman, maxx Williams, Carl Davis 

2016: Stanley, kamalei, Bronson k

 

lets say we take out the 16 class for the sake of argument..

b will, Mosley, and Timmy jern ar our only starters selected in the first 3 rounds in 3 years. That's a 33% hit ratio. Can we agree Ozzie and Co is losing touch? 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, Davesta said:

Cj, Ronnie Stanley, Timmy Jernigan, b will. Those are the only draft picks (rounds 1-3) that pan out in the last 4 years 

2013: Elam, Arthur brown, b will

2014: cj, Timmy jern, Terrence brooks
 

2015 (the bust class): perriman, maxx Williams, Carl Davis 

2016: Stanley, kamalei, Bronson k

 

lets say we take out the 16 class for the sake of argument..

b will, Mosley, and Timmy jern ar our only starters selected in the first 3 rounds in 3 years. That's a 33% hit ratio. Can we agree Ozzie and Co is losing touch? 

I won't say they're losing touch, but I think they need to readjust some of their ways of thinking.  Some of it is a little archaic in nature.  I'm definitely an Ozzie and Co. supporter, but they are a big reason for the situation we're currently in.  Too many holes than aren't filled year after year.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

I won't say they're losing touch, but I think they need to readjust some of their ways of thinking.  Some of it is a little archaic in nature.  I'm definitely an Ozzie and Co. supporter, but they are a big reason for the situation we're currently in.  Too many holes than aren't filled year after year.

Yep. We need to be more aggressive and go after top prospects. That's one thing that really bothers me. We seem content with waiting a little too much. We need to sometimes go after guys and take them. That's the one thing that really has me bothered lately. More picks does not always equal better drafts. Sometimes, less picks is more. 

[Cville-Raven]

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

those "one trick pony receptions" are huge plays and receptions that nobody on this team can make. 

Exactly, no one else on this team is making those type of catches.

[RavensFanMania]

46 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm sure this is an accurate figure...

You do know that 75% of all statistics ar made up

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yep. We need to be more aggressive and go after top prospects. That's one thing that really bothers me. We seem content with waiting a little too much. We need to sometimes go after guys and take them. That's the one thing that really has me bothered lately. More picks does not always equal better drafts. Sometimes, less picks is more. 

That and readjusting some of our positional values.  Looking at you, CB...

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

You do know that 75% of all statistics ar made up

the rest are lies

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, rmw10 said:

That and readjusting some of our positional values.  Looking at you, CB...

I am sick of them not addressing CB, yes, but I can understand why we haven't. That said, if you aren't investing big into CB then you must invest into pass rusher and we've failed to do this. This is one area where I wonder if Ozzie is the one on the hot seat and not John. Now hear me out here, but listen: Steve has talked about getting a pass rusher for literally years now. He's hinted at wanting one drafted high. We've only drafted Upshaw to fit that mold and he didn't work out, McPhee left and understandably so, Za'Darius Smith was a 4th round pick so I don't see how that solves anything because those don't always pan out, let's face it. Then you have Correa who's very evidently and widely seen as a project but us fan-scouts, so I know the real guys see it. 

[DR32]

Perriman has everything to frustrate the heck out of everyone. Speed, size and explosiveness. To top it off he makes an incredible catch in double coverage only to top it off with an easy drop. I think we need to play him more to his strengths to build his confidence. He's not where we all want him to be and maybe never will be. But We should know he's not your guy on a quick slant in traffic 

[PurpleCity5]

6 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Keep in mind, a lot of these were the same people calling Jimmy Smith a bust his rookie year.  Guys take time to develop.  It's part of the game for some.

I remember that. I personally still believe in Perriman. He just needs to get better. He's still a rookie and he missed a lot of time. It's not easy on someone in that situation. 

[PurpleCity5]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I am sick of them not addressing CB, yes, but I can understand why we haven't. That said, if you aren't investing big into CB then you must invest into pass rusher and we've failed to do this. This is one area where I wonder if Ozzie is the one on the hot seat and not John. Now hear me out here, but listen: Steve has talked about getting a pass rusher for literally years now. He's hinted at wanting one drafted high. We've only drafted Upshaw to fit that mold and he didn't work out, McPhee left and understandably so, Za'Darius Smith was a 4th round pick so I don't see how that solves anything because those don't always pan out, let's face it. Then you have Correa who's very evidently and widely seen as a project but us fan-scouts, so I know the real guys see it. 

I'm sick of it too. The biggest problem with our secondary is that we are simply relying on Jimmy's health. Our secondary is built on the fact that if Jimmy goes down, we're screwed. We have no depth what so ever and as you pointed out, pass rusher is a problem and Biscotti wanted one bad. I wouldn't be too shocked if we pull off a big trade for a pass rusher. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I'm sick of it too. The biggest problem with our secondary is that we are simply relying on Jimmy's health. Our secondary is built on the fact that if Jimmy goes down, we're screwed. We have no depth what so ever and as you pointed out, pass rusher is a problem and Biscotti wanted one bad. I wouldn't be too shocked if we pull off a big trade for a pass rusher. 

i agree, tavon young may have been the steal of the draft but he isnt a 1 or even a 2, hes just a possibly elite nickel back who needs to get some more experience. the chiefs shocking everyone taking marcus peters really screwed us, and i still wish we took byron jones over perriman even though im a big perriman supporter.

next years cb class is so freaking loaded, i will be livid if we dont address it in a major way. desmond king or tre'davious white in the first are my guys.

[52520Andrew]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

That said, Perriman wasn't all that bad with drops as a prospect. This is a bit of an exaggeration. 

I remember there being A LOT of talk on his hands as a prospect around here.

[kiwi_raven]

I'm just disappointed on the amount of drops that actually hit his hands, and his in flight ball tracking skills are not great, If he still has the same problems at the end of next season weather he gets injured or not he will be a bust.

I don't think anyone on this board can disagree that if you arnt getting value from a first rounder by the end of year 3 it's a busted pick.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

I remember there being A LOT of talk on his hands as a prospect around here.

and it was largely overblown. not completely, but perrimans drop issues in college were no worse than julio jones or demaryius thomas in college who both had drops then and still do.