The Perriman Thread

[Ravensfan23]

6 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

Agreed!  I'm rewatching the game now and just saw the Perriman TD.  It was sweet!  Seems as though Joe is gaining more trust in him and that's a good thing. They have to find ways to get and keep Perriman involved throughout the game.  That will further aid in his development this regular season and going into the post-season imo.

That long bomb was a thing of beauty as well. They came a split second away from that being a 65 yard TD because Flacco hit Perriman in stride. No way Perriman gets caught if he catches that ball in stride. I'd love to hear a breakdown of that play from Flacco's and Perriman's view. Who felt they could have done something a bit better to complete that play. 

People are saying it's hard to get Perriman targets, I don't think so. I think he can be game planned into the offense enough to get 3-4 designed targets to get the ball in his hands. Then anything else is just Joe finding him through his reads. 

[Ravensfan23]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He's shown Flashes of it. The first and second games against the Cleveland Browns they used him over the middle. He has yet to do stuff like comback routes though. But it's good that we're easing him in. It appears he's developing chemistry with Joe. Something Torrey never had. 

 

Aside from a bad oline, it's that we've been misusing certain players as well imo. I've seen us send Aiken deep multiple times when Breshad was not on the field, and have seen them without WALLACE there either. Most recently we've been using both Pitta and Waller as blockers(not like we've had a choice though recently sadly) which has bitten us in the butt even when we had an available Crockett Gillmore. Likewise, we would use Crockett on receiving plays when we had Maxx available, and Maxx has flashed better receiving ability while Crockett historically struggles with contested catches and drops moreso than Maxx has. We have used Terrence West on checkdowns when he has dropped a few of them when we have Dixon and Allen, who have both proven at the NFL level that they are both good receiving backs on the pro level(although West has gotten better at it which I give him credit for). Against the Jets we kept using Lorenzo Taliafero in spite of the fact that Allen, West, and Dixon have all shown more at the NFL level. We can't properly execute on some running back screen plays, yet we keep calling them from time to time. 

 

It's a lot of things, but to me a lot of it is misusing personnel. 

 

4 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I agree as I'm convinced that the Ravens don't totally know how to use their weapons properly. You see it all the time with the personnel groupings and the playcalls.

You can't just pigeonhole or type cast players as only being able to do one thing. You send Aiken deep because when Wallace and Perriman are in the game they are scheming to take away the deep pass. So you give Aiken a few deep routes and hope you can catch the defense off guard. Guys don't have to be fast to make plays down field. The same is true with the TEs. You can't just use Gilmore and Boyle for blocking only, that's the definition of being predictable. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

38 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

 

You can't just pigeonhole or type cast players as only being able to do one thing. You send Aiken deep because when Wallace and Perriman are in the game they are scheming to take away the deep pass. So you give Aiken a few deep routes and hope you can catch the defense off guard. Guys don't have to be fast to make plays down field. The same is true with the TEs. You can't just use Gilmore and Boyle for blocking only, that's the definition of being predictable. 

It would work if Aiken were any good at it. He's good at the underneath stuff but Moore or Perriman can do the underneath stuff too. Or taking Perriman out and then doing a deep play? With no Wallace either? Come on man.  Put in like a Chris Moore who is good at running underneath routes. Or use Boyle for recieving plays since he's a good route runner with good hands. 

[Ravensfan23]

27 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

It would work if Aiken were any good at it. He's good at the underneath stuff but Moore or Perriman can do the underneath stuff too. Or taking Perriman out and then doing a deep play? With no Wallace either? Come on man.  Put in like a Chris Moore who is good at running underneath routes. Or use Boyle for recieving plays since he's a good route runner with good hands. 

I've been screaming for Perriman to get reps over Aiken too, but the truth of the matter is, Aiken's the better route runner of he, Perriman and Moore. He's also not that bad at making plays deep. He isn't the best on the team but certainly not bad. There has been just as many disconnects between Flacco and Perriman/Moore on deep attempts as there has been to Aiken. I just think that many fans view Aiken as a JAG so when plays towards him don't produce results we flame him. 

The Ravens need to get better at designing deep plays imo

[Rav'n Maniac]

10 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I've been screaming for Perriman to get reps over Aiken too, but the truth of the matter is, Aiken's the better route runner of he, Perriman and Moore. He's also not that bad at making plays deep. He isn't the best on the team but certainly not bad. There has been just as many disconnects between Flacco and Perriman/Moore on deep attempts as there has been to Aiken. I just think that many fans view Aiken as a JAG so when plays towards him don't produce results we flame him. 

The Ravens need to get better at designing deep plays imo

I feel like they need to get better at designing plays to their players' strengths.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I feel like they need to get better at designing plays to their players' strengths.

I feel like we just need to be better at plays. Period.

Design. Implementation. Execution. Timing.

[usmccharles]

18 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

People are saying it's hard to get Perriman targets, I don't think so. I think he can be game planned into the offense enough to get 3-4 designed targets to get the ball in his hands. Then anything else is just Joe finding him through his reads. 

I just think that's the issue: targets.  The OC can game plan all he wants to get BP involved but Joe is the one throwing the ball, he obviously favors SSr and Wallace,  with good reason.  3-5 targets aren't enough to get him producing the way we want,  we see top wrs in the league being targeted over 100 times a year easily,  so logically those wrs catch more.   If BP was getting 10 targets a game... I'm willing to bet he would of had a couple monster games by now 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I feel like we just need to be better at plays. Period.

Design. Implementation. Execution. Timing.

Yeah! DIET!

[Davesta]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I just think that's the issue: targets.  The OC can game plan all he wants to get BP involved but Joe is the one throwing the ball, he obviously favors SSr and Wallace,  with good reason.  3-5 targets aren't enough to get him producing the way we want,  we see top wrs in the league being targeted over 100 times a year easily,  so logically those wrs catch more.   If BP was getting 10 targets a game... I'm willing to bet he would of had a couple monster games by now 

Maybe he's not getting the targets because he's not winning his match up and getting open? 

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Maybe he's not getting the targets because he's not winning his match up and getting open? 

Obviously that's quite possible.  I'd love for @Filmstudy to break down BPs snap count and whatever amazing stats he normally comes up with.   I don't see him ever developing into a elite wr but I think he can be a step above Torrey.  As much as I love SSr,  I want to see BP be the number 2 guy.

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I just think that's the issue: targets.  The OC can game plan all he wants to get BP involved but Joe is the one throwing the ball, he obviously favors SSr and Wallace,  with good reason.  3-5 targets aren't enough to get him producing the way we want,  we see top wrs in the league being targeted over 100 times a year easily,  so logically those wrs catch more.   If BP was getting 10 targets a game... I'm willing to bet he would of had a couple monster games by now 

I just think we have too many supposed weapons at wr to have as few passing yards as we do. 

 

 

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

I just think we have too many supposed weapons at wr to have as few passing yards as we do. 

 

 

I'd really. Like to see Joes down field attempt 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Yeah! DIET!

That was an unintended acronym but I like it. 

This offense needs to go on a healthy DIET. Thank you.... I'll be taking all the credit for your clever discovery. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

That was an unintended acronym but I like it. 

This offense needs to go on a healthy DIET. Thank you.... I'll be taking all the credit for your clever discovery. 

It's a good thing that the post is public.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I really like Breshads mentality and attitude towards his play and development. 

Rightfully he was getting some praise for the TD catch, but instead of being satisfied with that he came right out and said basically that's great and all... but he's supposed to make that play. His mind was really on the play he missed. 

I know some of that is basically what they're supposed to say... but when Breshad speaks I find him to be very genuine and believable. 

I believe he was more concerned with the play he missed than he was happy with the TD. Maybe it's just his personality and I think some of it comes from having a dad who played the position in the NFL and had to work to become a consistent, long time starter. 

I trust he's going to continue to work, be focused on the right things and put the time/effort into reaching his potential. Maybe he never becomes a top 10 game breaker type receiver. But I'm fully confident he becomes a reliable, all around, successful #1 for us in due time. 

[Cville-Raven]

4 hours ago, Tiznut said:

I just think we have too many supposed weapons at wr to have as few passing yards as we do. 

 

 

Honestly Juice and Pitta just get way too many passes thrown their way and neither give us many yards per reception. Alot those passes should be going to our wideouts.

[Ravensfan23]

8 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I just think that's the issue: targets.  The OC can game plan all he wants to get BP involved but Joe is the one throwing the ball, he obviously favors SSr and Wallace,  with good reason.  3-5 targets aren't enough to get him producing the way we want,  we see top wrs in the league being targeted over 100 times a year easily,  so logically those wrs catch more.   If BP was getting 10 targets a game... I'm willing to bet he would of had a couple monster games by now 

If you are scheming a guy open than the ball is designed to go to him as long as he's open. For example all 3 of Perriman's targets from this game, SSS was on the field as well, but Perriman was the 1st read on all of them so Flacco targeted him. Another area i see an opportunity to get Perriman the ball is on those check with me type plays. On the 2nd drive when the Ravens only got a FG, on 2nd and 9 with the ball at the 13, the DB is giving Perriman a 6 yard cushion and he's playing a bail tech. If Perriman and Joe have a check with me type call there were they are the only ones who know the play is change, Perriman walks into the endzone if he makes his guy miss. Obviously that's something that will come with time and both guys seeing the defense the same way, but i'm excited about it because I see teams already giving Perriman that speed respect and there are so many ways to take advantage of it.

I just think if they wanted to they could find ways to get him the ball, but on the flipside it's like, hey the team can't slow down for you to catch up. It sucks that you missed basically 2 training camps, but we need you to develop with the opportunities you get because it's about winning games, not developing talent for the future. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Start giving him more snaps and more production will ensue.

When you're averaging less than 20 snaps a game compared to Wallace and SSS (50+ snaps a game) then yes, your production is going to be marginal and the chemistry between you and your QB is going to be stagnated. With more snaps and targets, I'm sure we'll see more production. This guy has that 'it' factor.

We only need to tap-in on 'it' a little more each game.