The Perriman Thread

[The Raven]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's not gonna get fed over Wallace and Steve. I think that's about the extent of it.

Don't get me wrong, I get that. But the offense is lacking something. It's lacking something. We don't have enough big plays, and we don't convert enough third downs. Perriman could have a hand in fixing both problems, I think, if we used him more.

But you're right. It makes sense that they'd get fed more.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Don't get me wrong, I get that. But the offense is lacking something. It's lacking something. We don't have enough big plays, and we don't convert enough third downs. Perriman could have a hand in fixing both problems, I think, if we used him more.

But you're right. It makes sense that they'd get fed more.

I agree. But as much potential as perriman shows, he still should be on a snap count. He was extremely raw coming out and we knew this. And he still is raw. Its ok, I'm patient, He will get his chance when he's ready which I believe is next season when Steve is gone. If he shows something special then good, if not then too bad, i just don't think he's shown to be ready for 10 targets a game.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Give this guy 10 good looks in one game and just watch how fast this thread blows-up. This man's 'big play' potential hasn't been tapped into, yet. However, if we're going to progress, build and compete towards the playoffs and beyond...now is the time to consistently integrate him into the offense and challenge his resolve. That's the thing, there is no next season in football. Everything can end in one play.

Imagine what havoc that can be created by the mere thought of defending a future Hall of Famer - Steve Smith, arguably "The Fastest Man" in the league - Mike Wallace, the Ravens franchise leading receiver from 2015 - Aiken and the "Fastest Man from the 2015 Rookie Combine (4.2)" - Breshad Perriman who has been endorsed, heralded, validated and/or praised by HoFer Michael Irvin and a host of NFL players and insiders, alike?

Just let the kid play. 

[reed20]

3 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Well how many receptions did Aiken have? 

Two key first downs and also played great on special teams.

[terps85]

Throw him the ball

[Edug27]

For fun...

Perrimans first 10 games of his career....

42 targets

20 catches

280 yards

1 TD

5-5 record

 

Demaryius Thomas first 10 games of his career...

39 targets

22 catches

283 yards

2 TD's

3-7 record

Edited November 28, 2016 by Edug27

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

For fun...

Perrimans first 10 games of his career....

42 targets

20 catches

280 yards

1 TD

5-5 record

 

Demaryius Thomas first 10 games of his career...

39 targets

22 catches

283 yards

2 TD's

3-7 record

and that was probably the most spot on pro-comparison of him coming out. I along with many others said that he was extremely similar to DT. athletic talent, measurables, very raw, made jaw dropping catches and then dropped gimmes. 

 

[BmoreBird22]

18 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

For fun...

Perrimans first 10 games of his career....

42 targets

20 catches

280 yards

1 TD

5-5 record

 

Demaryius Thomas first 10 games of his career...

39 targets

22 catches

283 yards

2 TD's

3-7 record

Two touchdowns for both.

And to add to this, Thomas had about 100 yards, eight catches, and 1 TD in his first game, so he got a third of his production in one game. 

[usmccharles]

I am starting to really like what i m seeing from BP.  He has shown signs of being able to catch the really difficult catches which is what we need, a guy to go up and get the ball.  I think next year we will see a uptick in production because he is going to see more targets, its just common sense.  Its hard to imagine a WR who basically had a lost rookie season is going to come in and compete against a HoFer WR and a pretty damn good WR in Wallace.  BP will have his turn, its just not yet. 

[redrum52]

5 hours ago, Edug27 said:

For fun...

Perrimans first 10 games of his career....

42 targets

20 catches

280 yards

1 TD

5-5 record

 

Demaryius Thomas first 10 games of his career...

39 targets

22 catches

283 yards

2 TD's

3-7 record

Let me start by saying I think DT is overrated.  Second, who was his qb his first 10 games?

 

I personally don't think the comparisons match, but that's me.

Edited November 28, 2016 by redrum52

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, redrum52 said:

Let me start by saying I think DT is overrated.  Second, who was his qb his first 10 games?

 

I personally don't think the comparisons match, but that's me.

Kyle Orton who was playing like a madman for a while in Denver. 

Tebow didn't come until I believe actually week 10. I could be off by a week or 2 though.

[Edug27]

6 hours ago, redrum52 said:

Let me start by saying I think DT is overrated.  Second, who was his qb his first 10 games?

 

I personally don't think the comparisons match, but that's me.

Kyle Orton ... who threw for 3600+ yards and 20 TD's. 

[Deflated Football]

6 hours ago, redrum52 said:

Let me start by saying I think DT is overrated.  Second, who was his qb his first 10 games?

 

I personally don't think the comparisons match, but that's me.

Kyle Orton was no slouch that season. 

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, Edug27 said:

For fun...

Perrimans first 10 games of his career....

42 targets

20 catches

280 yards

1 TD

5-5 record

 

Demaryius Thomas first 10 games of his career...

39 targets

22 catches

283 yards

2 TD's

3-7 record

In some people's defense (though I agree with this premise), while Perriman didn't play last year, its still technically his 2nd year in the league.

If Perriman were doing this exact same thing last year, there probably wouldn't be as much complaining (there would still be plenty, but not as much).

I agree that he is, for all intents and purposes, a rookie this year, but missing a whole season due to injury puts you behind the 8 ball already.

If we follow the logic that many NFL WRs seem to have the "breakout" year in year 3, when the game really starts slowing down for them, then that would essentially be year 4 for Perriman. That puts the team in a quandry when it comes to determining if he's worth a 5th year option or not, as they'd have to make that decision prior to the 2014 season.

Just something to think about when that time comes. If he plays on the same track, his "breakout" season might be in a contract year. 

[Edug27]

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

In some people's defense (though I agree with this premise), while Perriman didn't play last year, its still technically his 2nd year in the league.

If Perriman were doing this exact same thing last year, there probably wouldn't be as much complaining (there would still be plenty, but not as much).

I agree that he is, for all intents and purposes, a rookie this year, but missing a whole season due to injury puts you behind the 8 ball already.

If we follow the logic that many NFL WRs seem to have the "breakout" year in year 3, when the game really starts slowing down for them, then that would essentially be year 4 for Perriman. That puts the team in a quandry when it comes to determining if he's worth a 5th year option or not, as they'd have to make that decision prior to the 2014 season.

Just something to think about when that time comes. If he plays on the same track, his "breakout" season might be in a contract year. 

Anything short of OBJ as a rookie, people would complain. 

[rmcjacket23]

11 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

Anything short of OBJ as a rookie, people would complain. 

Which is also pretty ironic, because he did nothing for about the 1st half of his rookie year.

[Tru11]

13 hours ago, Edug27 said:

For fun...

Perrimans first 10 games of his career....

42 targets

20 catches

280 yards

1 TD

5-5 record

 

Demaryius Thomas first 10 games of his career...

39 targets

22 catches

283 yards

2 TD's

3-7 record

unless you think tebow and orton are off the same caliber as flacco , compairing them makes little sense.

 

 

[Edug27]

21 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

unless you think tebow and orton are off the same caliber as flacco , compairing them makes little sense.

 

 

Orton during Thomas' rookie season put up very comparable, if not better, stats than Flacco this season.

[redrum52]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Kyle Orton who was playing like a madman for a while in Denver. 

Tebow didn't come until I believe actually week 10. I could be off by a week or 2 though.

It was an honest question about the qb.  didn't remember and I knew Tebow didn't start immediately.

 

And for my comparison, I think Perriman has a higher ceiling that Thomas.

[Deflated Football]

2 hours ago, Edug27 said:

Anything short of OBJ as a rookie, people would complain. 

He set the bar way too high. Same with Anquan. Now if you don't light it up as a WR rookie, you're a bust 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

He set the bar way too high. Same with Anquan. Now if you don't light it up as a WR rookie, you're a bust 

And apparently if Ronnie Stanley didn't light it up by week four he would have been a bust as well. 

[pitchblack_20]

I think Perriman will be fine given more time and confidence. He has all the tools, just learn how to dominate at the little aspects and play ball. I'm just to anxious to see him take a short pass and outrun everyone and showcase that speed. 

[Militant X 1]

19 hours ago, The Raven said:

Don't get me wrong, I get that. But the offense is lacking something. It's lacking something. We don't have enough big plays, and we don't convert enough third downs. Perriman could have a hand in fixing both problems, I think, if we used him more.

But you're right. It makes sense that they'd get fed more.

Agreed!  I'm rewatching the game now and just saw the Perriman TD.  It was sweet!  Seems as though Joe is gaining more trust in him and that's a good thing. They have to find ways to get and keep Perriman involved throughout the game.  That will further aid in his development this regular season and going into the post-season imo.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

Agreed!  I'm rewatching the game now and just saw the Perriman TD.  It was sweet!  Seems as though Joe is gaining more trust in him and that's a good thing. They have to find ways to get and keep Perriman involved throughout the game.  That will further aid in his development this regular season and going into the post-season imo.

I think its hard to get him so many looks because he is basically 4th option after SSr, Wallace, RB checkdown.  He needs more targets to produce, simple as that

[Deflated Football]

I love how he just goes up and gets the ball even when a defender is draped all over him. That takes a lot of talent but I want to see more intermediate routes. I hope he can turn into a complete WR. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

10 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I love how he just goes up and gets the ball even when a defender is draped all over him. That takes a lot of talent but I want to see more intermediate routes. I hope he can turn into a complete WR. 

 

He's shown Flashes of it. The first and second games against the Cleveland Browns they used him over the middle. He has yet to do stuff like comback routes though. But it's good that we're easing him in. It appears he's developing chemistry with Joe. Something Torrey never had. 

 

21 hours ago, The Raven said:

Don't get me wrong, I get that. But the offense is lacking something. It's lacking something. We don't have enough big plays, and we don't convert enough third downs. Perriman could have a hand in fixing both problems, I think, if we used him more.

But you're right. It makes sense that they'd get fed more.

 

Aside from a bad oline, it's that we've been misusing certain players as well imo. I've seen us send Aiken deep multiple times when Breshad was not on the field, and have seen them without WALLACE there either. Most recently we've been using both Pitta and Waller as blockers(not like we've had a choice though recently sadly) which has bitten us in the butt even when we had an available Crockett Gillmore. Likewise, we would use Crockett on receiving plays when we had Maxx available, and Maxx has flashed better receiving ability while Crockett historically struggles with contested catches and drops moreso than Maxx has. We have used Terrence West on checkdowns when he has dropped a few of them when we have Dixon and Allen, who have both proven at the NFL level that they are both good receiving backs on the pro level(although West has gotten better at it which I give him credit for). Against the Jets we kept using Lorenzo Taliafero in spite of the fact that Allen, West, and Dixon have all shown more at the NFL level. We can't properly execute on some running back screen plays, yet we keep calling them from time to time. 

 

It's a lot of things, but to me a lot of it is misusing personnel. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

 

12 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

It's a lot of things, but to me a lot of it is misusing personnel. 

I agree as I'm convinced that the Ravens don't totally know how to use their weapons properly. You see it all the time with the personnel groupings and the playcalls.

[Tru11]

5 hours ago, Edug27 said:

Orton during Thomas' rookie season put up very comparable, if not better, stats than Flacco this season.

So that makes Orton of the same caliber as Flacco?

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He's shown Flashes of it. The first and second games against the Cleveland Browns they used him over the middle. He has yet to do stuff like comback routes though. But it's good that we're easing him in. It appears he's developing chemistry with Joe. Something Torrey never had. 

Is it just me or does he drop a lot on slants?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

42 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Is it just me or does he drop a lot on slants?

Yeah it's weird. He runs them well and gets open but nothing. He's hit or miss with a lot of misses. That should improve over time