The Perriman Thread

[usmccharles]

14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

 

If you want Perriman seeing more targets or producing better, then he's going to have to move up in the depth chart. Does anybody see a reason why he should be playing ahead of Steve or Wallace right now?

Fans only see him as a first round pick and want production now, which I understand to an extent.  Most people Don't use logic.  BP isn't better than a HoF WR and Wallace, that's why he isn't getting many targets, pretty simple.

[PurpleCity5]

Teams still respect Breshad. People act like he's not beating 1v1 coverage when in fact he is. The frustrating part of all this is that Joe doesn't look for Perriman often, it's very frustrating but there are times when Perriman is open at the top of his routes and Joe completely misses him. This is the result of the lack of chemistry between the two. 

[redlobster]

Perriman needs to be WR # 3, it seems like Aiken is still getting a ton more reps. 

[rudywasoffsides]

48 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Pretty much this. At the end of the day, he's the 4th option on this team in terms of targets for pass catchers. He's clearly behind Steve and Wallace (as he should be at this point), and we always involve TEs in the passing game, and so in this case Pitta is the 3rd option basically. 

Question for the fans... what specific kind of production to you expect the 4th option in ANY Ravens passing attack to produce? I don't even think the player matters at this point. If you're the 4th option, you don't produce in these offenses.

Look at 2013... probably the most "pass happy" offense this team has ever had. The 4th option in that passing game was probably Jacoby... he was 4th on the team in targets (behind Torrey, Marlon Brown and Rice), 4th in receptions and ended up 3rd in yardage.

His average game stat line was roughly 3 catches for 38 yards. That was a prototypical game for a 4th option in a heavy-pass offense. 

Perriman is at about 2 catches for 28 yards currently. Not that much of a difference.

If you want Perriman seeing more targets or producing better, then he's going to have to move up in the depth chart. Does anybody see a reason why he should be playing ahead of Steve or Wallace right now?

Except Perriman is worlds more talented than Jacoby, thus his production should be better. From the fans perspective we have never had a guy with 4.2 speed and built like with a big body like BP is so people are clamoring for him to produce now and honestly I agree he has been pretty disappointing so far. However, he has flashed big time in his limited opportunities so I do think he should start cutting into Pitta and SSS reps. Why we aren't utilizing him to air it out more is beyond me because I would rather see us whiff a few more times taking shots of 15 yards or deeper down the field than these stupid dunk passes to Pitta or Juice 6 yards before the 1st down marker on a 3rd down play. If we took more shots downfield BP would see more opportunities plain and simple 

[reed20]

One things for sure is if by the grace of God we win this crappy division and enter the playoffs healthy and with Perriman finding his rhythm we're gonna be the team no one wants to face.

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Except Perriman is worlds more talented than Jacoby, thus his production should be better. From the fans perspective we have never had a guy with 4.2 speed and built like with a big body like BP is so people are clamoring for him to produce now and honestly I agree he has been pretty disappointing so far. However, he has flashed big time in his limited opportunities so I do think he should start cutting into Pitta and SSS reps. Why we aren't utilizing him to air it out more is beyond me because I would rather see us whiff a few more times taking shots of 15 yards or deeper down the field than these stupid dunk passes to Pitta or Juice 6 yards before the 1st down marker on a 3rd down play. If we took more shots downfield BP would see more opportunities plain and simple 

Perriman is also a rookie who, when we drafted him, was described by everybody as "incredibly raw". 

I mean we could just start throwing it down the field more, except the OL isn't blocking anywhere near consistently enough to be taking a large number of shots down field AND we haven't been overly accurate with the one's we are taking.

I really do hope that the Ravens start throwing it deep down field on 3rd and long. Because we already know what happens... lots of incompletions, the occasional interception, and the rare completion. Basically you're advocating mostly a "punt first" style of football in that regards, because that's what that offense will get you.

As usual, fans are looking at the exact wrong thing when it comes to these third down complaints. Ravens run the same plays every team does... throw it short of the sticks (since every defense is defending the sticks) and get yards after. Dallas did it to us repeatedly yesterday. 

The question you should be asking yourself is... how did we end up in a 3rd and long to begin with? I can tell you two fan-advocated plays that lead to this problem quite often... running the ball for minimal yardage on 1st or 2nd down, and taking a deep shot down the field that falls incomplete on 1st or 2nd down. 

Edited November 21, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rudywasoffsides]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Perriman is also a rookie who, when we drafted him, was described by everybody as "incredibly raw". 

I mean we could just start throwing it down the field more, except the OL isn't blocking anywhere near consistently enough to be taking a large number of shots down field AND we haven't been overly accurate with the one's we are taking.

I really do hope that the Ravens start throwing it deep down field on 3rd and long. Because we already know what happens... lots of incompletions, the occasional interception, and the rare completion. Basically you're advocating mostly a "punt first" style of football in that regards, because that's what that offense will get you.

As usual, fans are looking at the exact wrong thing when it comes to these third down complaints. Ravens run the same plays every team does... throw it short of the sticks (since every defense is defending the sticks) and get yards after. Dallas did it to us repeatedly yesterday. 

The question you should be asking yourself is... how did we end up in a 3rd and long to begin with? I can tell you two fan-advocated plays that lead to this problem quite often... running the ball for minimal yardage on 1st or 2nd down, and taking a deep shot down the field that falls incomplete on 1st or 2nd down. 

... Or a pass interference call that changes our field position durastically. You seem to forget that we have a QB with a huge arm that can put the ball in a position for the receiver, like BP, to make a huge grab or get this call. Or I mean we could do what you are advocating and keep going with our vanilla offense that doesn't surprise anyone and doesn't consistently move the chains. How after 10 weeks you don't understand that we need chunk plays to get points is beyond me. Our line isn't good enough to consistently block well enough to ensure we get 4 yards every play and are constantly in 3rd and short situations 

[rmcjacket23]

22 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

... Or a pass interference call that changes our field position durastically. You seem to forget that we have a QB with a huge arm that can put the ball in a position for the receiver, like BP, to make a huge grab or get this call. Or I mean we could do what you are advocating and keep going with our vanilla offense that doesn't surprise anyone and doesn't consistently move the chains. How after 10 weeks you don't understand that we need chunk plays to get points is beyond me. Our line isn't good enough to consistently block well enough to ensure we get 4 yards every play and are constantly in 3rd and short situations 

.... which doesn't happen that often. If the outcome you're banking the most on is pass interference, then you're making my case for me.

This isn't 2012 anymore. Joe Flacco is NOT doing what you say he is. He's NOT putting the ball in a position where the receiver can make a play on it on throws down field... its arguably one of the biggest negative aspects of his game for the last several years. 

I'm the biggest advocate of attacking down the field as anybody... I'm just not into doing it willy nilly for the heck of it or doing it in obvious situations where another team would expect you to do it. O wow, how creative of you to suggest that a team should throw deep on 3rd and long. Gee, I've never seen a team do that before... how revolutionary.

You probably would have a hard time coming up with a down and distance that you are least likely to complete that throw or even get a penalty on than what you are describing. I have zero interest in throwing deep consistently on 3rd and long, and neither does any good, average, or bad offense in the entire league, because there isn't a single team that does that consistently and is good at it. Not one.

Teams that are effective at taking shots down the field do it more frequently on 1st and 2nd down. 2nd and short is a popular spot to take a shot, as is 1st down on play actions or a bootleg, where you can suck the defense towards the line of scrimmage in order to open up the field.

And you're right... our offensive line nor our offensive players are consistent enough to get us 4 yards/play consistently. So trying the fan logic, a "balanced" attack would involve probably running it on 1st, running it on 2nd, and then throwing deep on 3rd. 

Where I have seen this movie before... (Cam Cameron reference for those that didn't get it)...

Edited November 21, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rudywasoffsides]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

.... which doesn't happen that often. If the outcome you're banking the most on is pass interference, then you're making my case for me.

This isn't 2012 anymore. Joe Flacco is NOT doing what you say he is. He's NOT putting the ball in a position where the receiver can make a play on it on throws down field... its arguably one of the biggest negative aspects of his game for the last several years. 

I'm the biggest advocate of attacking down the field as anybody... I'm just not into doing it willy nilly for the heck of it or doing it in obvious situations where another team would expect you to do it. O wow, how creative of you to suggest that a team should throw deep on 3rd and long. Gee, I've never seen a team do that before... how revolutionary.

You probably would have a hard time coming up with a down and distance that you are least likely to complete that throw or even get a penalty on than what you are describing. I have zero interest in throwing deep consistently on 3rd and long, and neither does any good, average, or bad offense in the entire league, because there isn't a single team that does that consistently and is good at it. Not one.

Teams that are effective at taking shots down the field do it more frequently on 1st and 2nd down. 2nd and short is a popular spot to take a shot, as is 1st down on play actions or a bootleg, where you can suck the defense towards the line of scrimmage in order to open up the field.

And you're right... our offensive line nor our offensive players are consistent enough to get us 4 yards/play consistently. So trying the fan logic, a "balanced" attack would involve probably running it on 1st, running it on 2nd, and then throwing deep on 3rd. 

Where I have seen this movie before... (Cam Cameron reference for those that didn't get it)...

And you know what man? That Cam Cameron offense was better than what we are currently putting on the field. You just made my case for me. That offense was extremely frustrating and I'm no way saying that is what I want, but am merely pointing out that at this point it would be an improvement. 

[Jacquouille]

On 18/11/2016 at 9:08 AM, Tru11 said:

Dont undertand these shots at torrey.

at least he was on the field producing.

 

It's absolutely not a shot at Torrey. I just think BP has the best raw skills and it just shouldn't be a comparison. He's probably faster, without a doubt stronger and what I wanted to point out was how good he was at making highlight catches with amazing body control. The catch against Gilmore, the 20 yards grab against the Browns (the 1st game) where he goes horizontal, and of course the TD grab he has that honestly not more than 5 WR in this league can make, if that is not impressive I don't know what is. You could also count the contested 41 card against NYG, but it's not really "body control".

My point was actually that people don't seem to appreciate the ball skills that he has on certain plays. They'll just remember that he dropped a slant or a drag here and there, while he can make catches that very very few receivers can.

[Ravens4Real]

It's funny reading some of these posts on here. People are clamoring for Perriman to be inserted and take reps from SSS who has been our only reliable target. On top of that, just throw him in and start throwing bombs to him.

Two problems with that, the line, outside of a couple games, have shown that they can't block long enough to let downfield plays to develop. Secondly, Flacco may have one of, if not the biggest arm in the NFL. Problem is, he's also one of the least accurate deep ball throwers in the league.

Edited November 22, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[rmcjacket23]

17 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

And you know what man? That Cam Cameron offense was better than what we are currently putting on the field. You just made my case for me. That offense was extremely frustrating and I'm no way saying that is what I want, but am merely pointing out that at this point it would be an improvement. 

And the Cam Cameron offense had better personnel to be better with.

What a radical concept... players that actually play football and don't stand on the sidelines have a more pronounced effect on on-field performance. What a revolutionary concept.

[rudywasoffsides]

31 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And the Cam Cameron offense had better personnel to be better with.

What a radical concept... players that actually play football and don't stand on the sidelines have a more pronounced effect on on-field performance. What a revolutionary concept.

Hahahahaha. I would take SSS, Wallace, Pitta and Perriman anyday over Boldin, Torrey, Pitta and Jacoby. Don't tell me we don't have the personnel to be better than that offense because that just is not true.

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Hahahahaha. I would take SSS, Wallace, Pitta and Perriman anyday over Boldin, Torrey, Pitta and Jacoby. Don't tell me we don't have the personnel to be better than that offense because that just is not true.

I wouldn't. 

I'd also take Rice/McGahee over any RB on this roster, and there's also those mildly important five guys up front who are responsible for protecting the QB. Needless to say, they were better when Cam was here than they are now. Don't think its that close either.

Here's another cute little revolutionary topic... there's more to an offense than a QB and some pass catchers. Offensive line is kind of a big deal.

[Cillmatic]

3 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

It's funny reading some of these posts on here. People are clamoring for Perriman to be inserted and take reps from SSS who has been our only reliable target. On top of that, just throw him in and start throwing bombs to him.

Two problems with that, the line, outside of a couple games, have shown that they can't block long enough to let downfield plays to develop. Secondly, Flacco may have one of, if not the biggest arm in the NFL. Problem is, he's also one of the least accurate deep ball throwers in the league.

You misunderstand. NO ONE is saying to sit Steve in favor of Perriman. We're saying that he needs to pushed up the depth chart and targeted more. There have been times that Perriman has been open but do to Flacco's rookie level tunnel vision he doesn't go through all his progressions. To manage that you make Perriman the #3 WR.

[gtalk12]

People forget sometimes how serious Ray Rice was to our offense and the things he could do outside the play calls....

[gtalk12]

3 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Hahahahaha. I would take SSS, Wallace, Pitta and Perriman anyday over Boldin, Torrey, Pitta and Jacoby. Don't tell me we don't have the personnel to be better than that offense because that just is not true.

 

you are forgetting Ray Rice......

[Deflated Football]

On 11/21/2016 at 11:35 AM, redlobster said:

Perriman needs to be WR # 3, it seems like Aiken is still getting a ton more reps. 

And this is not good because Aiken sucks

[Ravensfan23]

I don't know what this guy will or won't be, but get the ball in his hands more. Positive things have been happening when the ball has gone his way 2 of the last 3 weeks. He seems to have his legs under him finally and the time is now to allow this young guy to spread his wings more. I really think he could really be a top WR in this league and I'd like to see him more involved in this offense. I know teams are taking deep passes away from the offense but he's a big physical guy who does a surprising good job run blocking, so allow him to continue to get physical with some of these smaller DBs that cover him. 

Great Job on the TD, wish they could have connected on the deep ball. It probably would have opened more things up. 

 

[OUravensfan]

7 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I don't know what this guy will or won't be, but get the ball in his hands more. Positive things have been happening when the ball has gone his way 2 of the last 3 weeks. He seems to have his legs under him finally and the time is now to allow this young guy to spread his wings more. I really think he could really be a top WR in this league and I'd like to see him more involved in this offense. I know teams are taking deep passes away from the offense but he's a big physical guy who does a surprising good job run blocking, so allow him to continue to get physical with some of these smaller DBs that cover him. 

Great Job on the TD, wish they could have connected on the deep ball. It probably would have opened more things up. 

 

Yea I agree, I want to see more 7-8 catch games from this guy. So far it's one big play then disappear 

[reed20]

On 11/22/2016 at 1:07 PM, Deflated Football said:

And this is not good because Aiken sucks

Aiken doesn't suck.

 

And good job on the touchdown grab Perriman.. though that being your one reception kind of strengthens the whole one trick pony thing.

[Deflated Football]

12 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Aiken doesn't suck.

 

And good job on the touchdown grab Perriman.. though that being your one reception kind of strengthens the whole one trick pony thing.

I've just never been a fan. "Suck" was probably a little too harsh. I just remember people saying he reminded them of Anquan. 

[terrynjulia03]

16 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Aiken doesn't suck.

 

And good job on the touchdown grab Perriman.. though that being your one reception kind of strengthens the whole one trick pony thing.

Well how many receptions did Aiken have? 

[Ravensfan23]

35 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Aiken doesn't suck.

 

And good job on the touchdown grab Perriman.. though that being your one reception kind of strengthens the whole one trick pony thing.

I think you might be missing the definition of a one trick pony. From my understanding it's a label used for a guy who can't only do one thing well. Like go deep but can't run routes well enough to contribute at every level. 

That's not Perriman. He's shown he can make plays deep or short. He's shown he can win with route running or he can just go up over the top of his defender to make the play. For me that's why it's so frustrating the way he's being used or under used I should say. 

[The Raven]

Idk if its Perriman, Joe, or Marty/Trestman but Perriman seems so underused.

I feel like it's unfair to put all the blame on any one person but I don't know why he doesn't have more production. He makes huge, jaw dropping plays and disappears. 

[arnie_uk]

7 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Idk if its Perriman, Joe, or Marty/Trestman but Perriman seems so underused.

I feel like it's unfair to put all the blame on any one person but I don't know why he doesn't have more production. He makes huge, jaw dropping plays and disappears. 

He has some silly drops, but i can take that if he makes the big plays.

Difficult drop today. Can't remember him even getting a snap after it though.

[JoeyFlex5]

13 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Idk if its Perriman, Joe, or Marty/Trestman but Perriman seems so underused.

I feel like it's unfair to put all the blame on any one person but I don't know why he doesn't have more production. He makes huge, jaw dropping plays and disappears. 

He's not gonna get fed over Wallace and Steve. I think that's about the extent of it.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

He has some silly drops, but i can take that if he makes the big plays.

Difficult drop today. Can't remember him even getting a snap after it though.

Flacco just led him too far in a tough throw. He dropped it perfectly over the dbs head but perriman in full Sprint came up inches short of a good catch in stride. That should change in time. You can see the chemistry slowly trying to build, they just aren't getting a rhythm together because Wallace and Steve are playing well and there's no need to take targets from them

[redrum52]

18 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Idk if its Perriman, Joe, or Marty/Trestman but Perriman seems so underused.

I feel like it's unfair to put all the blame on any one person but I don't know why he doesn't have more production. He makes huge, jaw dropping plays and disappears. 

Came in to say the needs to be incorporated in the offense more.  It doesn't feel like he's used enough.

[rmw10]

20 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Idk if its Perriman, Joe, or Marty/Trestman but Perriman seems so underused.

I feel like it's unfair to put all the blame on any one person but I don't know why he doesn't have more production. He makes huge, jaw dropping plays and disappears. 

I've seen quite a few people who are watching the game from the press box say he's just not getting open consistently. Regardless, it still seems like he should be used more. 

Edited November 27, 2016 by rmw10