The Perriman Thread

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

On 11/14/2016 at 6:05 PM, flynismo said:

Never happened to me

It's because you're not the best of us.. You suck

14 hours ago, jdynamite said:

He has to work on technique and the subtleties of the position to beat the press better.  To get a good release and he has to work his first step and rip, swim techniques to beat the defender.   

Michael Irvin and S.Mauracci WR camp had good examples of it.   

Once he does that he's going to be virtually impossible to cover. That kind of speed, and body control, combined with his size. I'm telling you, a full offseason is going to do wonders for him. 

[kassaiscool]

I feel he is the ultimate boom or bust and i'm not talking about career wise, I'm talking from game to game. I feel he explode in a game and have over 150 yards and then have a bad two game stretch then come back and play good. He kinda reminds me of Torrey Smith only bigger and faster.

[Jacquouille]

4 hours ago, kassaiscool said:

I feel he is the ultimate boom or bust and i'm not talking about career wise, I'm talking from game to game. I feel he explode in a game and have over 150 yards and then have a bad two game stretch then come back and play good. He kinda reminds me of Torrey Smith only bigger and faster.

Torrey can't make the catches he makes though.

[January J]

4 hours ago, kassaiscool said:

I feel he is the ultimate boom or bust and i'm not talking about career wise, I'm talking from game to game. I feel he explode in a game and have over 150 yards and then have a bad two game stretch then come back and play good. He kinda reminds me of Torrey Smith only bigger and faster.

 

18 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Torrey can't make the catches he makes though.

Yeah I think in the next year or two he proves to be much more talented than Torrey. Torrey had a knack for drawing PI...which is a great thing, but he could never make the catches that perriman can make ...and given a full off season this kid might really become a true number1 and not just a one trick pony- he will be able to run the full route tree and make things happen all over the feild. I can Smell it- he just needs more practice and time to build chemistry with Joe. Lotta ppl gonna be eating crow in due time.

Edited November 16, 2016 by January J

[Ravensfan23]

4 hours ago, kassaiscool said:

I feel he is the ultimate boom or bust and i'm not talking about career wise, I'm talking from game to game. I feel he explode in a game and have over 150 yards and then have a bad two game stretch then come back and play good. He kinda reminds me of Torrey Smith only bigger and faster.

But what bad games has he had thus far? I mean granted there are so hiccups like route running and time that lead to maybe the ball not going his way, but if you go back and watch or think hard about each game you'll find that Perriman has been in position to make plays in every single game but the ball either doesn't go his way, Joe misses him or he just didn't run a strong route. There has been some drops and the stat sheet isn't overly impressive, but for the most part Perriman has been in position to make plays every single game and when you watch coverage with him on the field, he's getting #1 WR type respect at times. I think once that connection gets air tight between 5 and 18 you'll see consistent production out of BP. Than the question will be what's a bad game?

Would his past performance vs the Browns be bad because he didn't eclipse 100yds?  I'll continue to say that this guy is a stud and can really see the Ravens making him the focal point of the offense next season as The Guy on this offense and everyone just fills in. The Ravens wanted that from Torrey but he was never more than a deep threat who could develop into a Mike Wallace type #2 guy, but I don't think he'd every be what Perriman seems to already be and hopefully what he'll continue to grow into

[Purple_City39]

20 hours ago, jdynamite said:

He has to work on technique and the subtleties of the position to beat the press better.  To get a good release and he has to work his first step and rip, swim techniques to beat the defender.   

Michael Irvin and S.Mauracci WR camp had good examples of it.   

I've only been to one game so far this year (Jacksonville) and I keyed in on both Perriman and Wallace that game.  Jacksonville played a lot of cover 1 while also having the corner press Perriman and Wallace.  The whole game pissed me off because I couldn't count the number of times both, Perriman especially, beat the press before Joe finished even a three step drop and had nothing between them and the endzone except air and opportunity.  Unfortunately Joe only looked towards Smith, Forsett, and Pitta that game.  We should have blown them out but I digress.

All this to say, I think Perriman is decent against press.  Or the Jags corner sucked.  I don't think the NFL has many corners that can press at the level of a Jimmy, Sherman, Revis, etc.  Breshad needs an offseason to develop timing with Joe and work on his routes.  The coaches also need to make sure he gets his reps.  Aiken should not see snaps over Perriman

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

I've only been to one game so far this year (Jacksonville) and I keyed in on both Perriman and Wallace that game.  Jacksonville played a lot of cover 1 while also having the corner press Perriman and Wallace.  The whole game pissed me off because I couldn't count the number of times both, Perriman especially, beat the press before Joe finished even a three step drop and had nothing between them and the endzone except air and opportunity.  Unfortunately Joe only looked towards Smith, Forsett, and Pitta that game.  We should have blown them out but I digress.

All this to say, I think Perriman is decent against press.  Or the Jags corner sucked.  I don't think the NFL has many corners that can press at the level of a Jimmy, Sherman, Revis, etc.  Breshad needs an offseason to develop timing with Joe and work on his routes.  The coaches also need to make sure he gets his reps.  Aiken should not see snaps over Perriman

One thing that will really help BP is training camp,  outside of the obvious reasons he will get to face Jimmy every day and that will make him much better against the press.  I think that's a tad overlooked.  

[GrimCoconut]

Perriman is developing and finally getting into football shape it would seem. I know that sounds ridiculous and it would normally sound that way to me as well but you see him improving every week and he is getting better. If anyone thought he'd start out catching 100 yards in his first game they were obviously mistaken. He's been out of football since the end of 2014 so it's no easy accomplishment to come back after missing a lot of offseason conditioning for two seasons. He's looking good. Btw I wish the announcers would stop saying he's missed two years. He missed his entire rookie year training camp and season and missed a lot of his second year training camp but none of the season. 

[Tru11]

On 16-11-2016 at 3:02 PM, Jacquouille said:

Torrey can't make the catches he makes though.

Dont undertand these shots at torrey.

at least he was on the field producing.

 

[VermontRaven]

5 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Dont undertand these shots at torrey.

at least he was on the field producing.

 

I don't understand the shots either.  Torrey was a solid player for us.  And one thing that people forget about with him was the number of defensive pass interference penalties he drew...those don't show up on his stat sheet, but in reality are just as good as catches. 

I think the Ravens made the right move by not overpaying him, but I, for one, will not diminish the impact he had on this team. 

[Ravensfan23]

5 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Dont undertand these shots at torrey.

at least he was on the field producing.

 

I don't think it's a shot of true. Even in a small sample size, very rarely have we seen Torrey make the type of catches that Perriman has or in the Was game made but didn't get his feet down. Even though there's much work to be done still, we never saw Torrey win on routes the way Perriman is and that's still a area of concern for him. He has beaten guys like Norman, Haden, Revies and some other good young DBs. Torrey beat you with speed and I loved him for it but he never really figured out how to use that speed to win on short and intermediate routes. Perriman is showing stud qualities and that's why coaches are so excited be sure the injuries seem to be a non issue and he can just go play now.

I think Torrey was great at what he does and hindsight says he should have taken a lesser offer to stay here and be a great #2/deep there. I could definitely see him being similar to Wallace if he stayed. I think it was clear to the Ravens during the 2014 season that Torrey wasn't and probably would never develop into that #1 WR they'd hoped he could when drafting him. No diggs just fact from my perception.

[Tru11]

12 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I don't think it's a shot of true. Even in a small sample size, very rarely have we seen Torrey make the type of catches that Perriman has or in the Was game made but didn't get his feet down. Even though there's much work to be done still, we never saw Torrey win on routes the way Perriman is and that's still a area of concern for him. He has beaten guys like Norman, Haden, Revies and some other good young DBs. Torrey beat you with speed and I loved him for it but he never really figured out how to use that speed to win on short and intermediate routes. Perriman is showing stud qualities and that's why coaches are so excited be sure the injuries seem to be a non issue and he can just go play now.

I think Torrey was great at what he does and hindsight says he should have taken a lesser offer to stay here and be a great #2/deep there. I could definitely see him being similar to Wallace if he stayed. I think it was clear to the Ravens during the 2014 season that Torrey wasn't and probably would never develop into that #1 WR they'd hoped he could when drafting him. No diggs just fact from my perception.

when did perriman beat those guys?

his lone TD in his career came against an undrafted rookie CB lol.

im really to lazy to look it up but i bet that when i take torrey first 2 seasons and stack them up against perriman taking in consideration stats, competition and such that torrey will blow perriman away in everything.

im rooting as hard as i can for perriman to become a great player for us but so far he has not even earned the right to be in torrey shadow.

 

[Purple_City39]

1 minute ago, Tru11 said:

when did perriman beat those guys?

his lone TD in his career came against an undrafted rookie CB lol.

im really to lazy to look it up but i bet that when i take torrey first 2 seasons and stack them up against perriman taking in consideration stats, competition and such that torrey will blow perriman away in everything.

im rooting as hard as i can for perriman to become a great player for us but so far he has not even earned the right to be in torrey shadow.

 

As of now, you'd be comparing 38 total games (including playoffs) to 9.  So yeah, Torrey would blow just about any WR out the water in that comparison.

I also agree that people shouldn't hate on Torrey.  He was great for Baltimore.  I also agree that Perriman has already made plays that we never saw Torrey make

[BmoreBird22]

31 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I don't think it's a shot of true. Even in a small sample size, very rarely have we seen Torrey make the type of catches that Perriman has or in the Was game made but didn't get his feet down. Even though there's much work to be done still, we never saw Torrey win on routes the way Perriman is and that's still a area of concern for him. He has beaten guys like Norman, Haden, Revies and some other good young DBs. Torrey beat you with speed and I loved him for it but he never really figured out how to use that speed to win on short and intermediate routes. Perriman is showing stud qualities and that's why coaches are so excited be sure the injuries seem to be a non issue and he can just go play now.

I think Torrey was great at what he does and hindsight says he should have taken a lesser offer to stay here and be a great #2/deep there. I could definitely see him being similar to Wallace if he stayed. I think it was clear to the Ravens during the 2014 season that Torrey wasn't and probably would never develop into that #1 WR they'd hoped he could when drafting him. No diggs just fact from my perception.

So, if Perriman beats his man, but is thrown an inaccurate pass that he doesn't catch, he really didn't beat them?

[PurpleCity5]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, if Perriman beats his man, but is thrown an inaccurate pass that he doesn't catch, he really didn't beat them?

Not to forget the amount of times Perriman beat his man but didn't see the ball. Plenty of missed opportunities there. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

I wonder how much Torrey wishes he had taken the Ravens offer and stayed in hindsight. Maryland is still his home and I wonder if Ozzie would ever consider bringing him back.

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

As of now, you'd be comparing 38 total games (including playoffs) to 9.  So yeah, Torrey would blow just about any WR out the water in that comparison.

I also agree that people shouldn't hate on Torrey.  He was great for Baltimore.  I also agree that Perriman has already made plays that we never saw Torrey make

plays like?

 

[Ravensfan23]

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

when did perriman beat those guys?

his lone TD in his career came against an undrafted rookie CB lol.

im really to lazy to look it up but i bet that when i take torrey first 2 seasons and stack them up against perriman taking in consideration stats, competition and such that torrey will blow perriman away in everything.

im rooting as hard as i can for perriman to become a great player for us but so far he has not even earned the right to be in torrey shadow.

 

Go back and watch the tape, even though I think you're more of a stat guy, which is cool. However go back and watch the first game vs Cle. Perriman had Haden beat on 4 different plays, but the disconnect between he and Flacco caused incomplete passes. On Handen's pick in the end zone, Perriman had him beat but Flacco under threw the ball. That's just one example, but watch the games and focus on him you'll see. 

Again to compare him and Torrey right now on stats alone yes, it's Torrey hands down and it's foolish to say anything less. Also I'm not knocking Torrey, I was a huge fan of Torrey, but the fact is he didn't develop into that #1 the Ravens had hoped. Can Perriman we'll see, but you can already start to see how he'll be a threat at every level of the defense if that light finally clicks. Could we ever say that about Torrey?

 

[January J]

9 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Dont undertand these shots at torrey.

at least he was on the field producing.

 

I don't understand the shots at either of them. They are both great receivers- one of whom is still extremely young and raw. Torrey has reached his ceiling- perriman has nowhere to go but up. And he could really become something special.

[Ravensfan23]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, if Perriman beats his man, but is thrown an inaccurate pass that he doesn't catch, he really didn't beat them?

If you're taking the entire play into account than no he didn't. However not completing the process of the catch doesn't take away him doing the other things necessary to get open. As fans most of us are just looking for the end result, but I bet Engram took a lot of positive out of that failed catch vs Washington. 

It's the same as saying Perriman beat his man deep but Flacco over threw him. Well it's more that goes into it than what happened at the point of the catch. If Perriman struggled to get off the line, or didn't get great depth on his route than it's more his fault than it is Flacco, but we as fans will just see the over throw and blame Joe. 

I like the progression I've seen. Hopefully the second half of the season leaves no doubt what we have in him

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

It's the same as saying Perriman beat his man deep but Flacco over threw him. Well it's more that goes into it than what happened at the point of the catch. If Perriman struggled to get off the line, or didn't get great depth on his route than it's more his fault than it is Flacco, but we as fans will just see the over throw and blame Joe.

To this point, if Joe throws it almost immediately off the snap, like a fade, and Perriman gets stymied at the snap, then sure, it's Perriman's fault. But if Perriman struggles off the line, but still gets downfield and Joe overthrows him as he's getting downfield and has his man beat, then that's on Joe.

[Tru11]

33 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Go back and watch the tape, even though I think you're more of a stat guy, which is cool. However go back and watch the first game vs Cle. Perriman had Haden beat on 4 different plays, but the disconnect between he and Flacco caused incomplete passes. On Handen's pick in the end zone, Perriman had him beat but Flacco under threw the ball. That's just one example, but watch the games and focus on him you'll see. 

Again to compare him and Torrey right now on stats alone yes, it's Torrey hands down and it's foolish to say anything less. Also I'm not knocking Torrey, I was a huge fan of Torrey, but the fact is he didn't develop into that #1 the Ravens had hoped. Can Perriman we'll see, but you can already start to see how he'll be a threat at every level of the defense if that light finally clicks. Could we ever say that about Torrey?

 

So the situations you just described never happend with torrey?

 

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

So the situations you just described never happend with torrey?

 

With consistency, especially nine games into his career? Nah

[Tru11]

19 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

With consistency, especially nine games into his career? Nah

so every pass that went torrey way was perfect?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

plays like?

 

The diving sideline catch vs the Bills. The TD vs the Browns. The diving 1st down catch over the middle against i forget who. The crossing route that he took for 30 yds against the Browns. The great catch where unfortunately he just couldnt get his second toe in bounds....

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

so every pass that went torrey way was perfect?

No. No ones saying the extreme statements youre trying to insinuate. 

What does feel noticeable from the eye ball test is that Perriman has a similar ability to Torrey to use his speed to get over top of guys and beat them deep for catches and potentially PIs.

What hes also shown quite a bit of, which we rarely if ever got out of Torrey, is an ability to high point a ball and pluck it away from a defender, adjust his body in mid-air to react to balls thrown outside his body, contort and extend to widen his catch radius, use his size/strength to box out and position himself to make catches that the defender wont be able to defend... 

Torrey did a few things really well. But there were other things he didnt do well at all. Perriman has shown glimpses of being able to do the things Torrey did well, maybe just as well, but has definitely already shown an ability to do the things Torrey could not for whatever reason.

 

Whether that will continue with consistency, or whether he'll continue improvement in all areas to become a better all around receiver I guess remains to be seen.

But in terms of glimpses, which with only 9 games played, all we really have are a series of glimpses.... Ive seen Perriman make 5-6 catches the likes of which I never saw Torrey make in 6 years. I've also seen him quite often use his speed to get behind defenders. I've also seen him now use his speed on underneath routes to get massive YAC... which we saw Torrey do but very rarely (playoff TD against the Pats for ex. awesome play but never really saw it again).

Edited November 18, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[BmoreBird22]

30 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

so every pass that went torrey way was perfect?

Quote where I said that

[BmoreBird22]

The best catch I ever saw from Torrey was the back shoulder fade against the Chargers in 2011 and that's considered a routine play...

[Tru11]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

The diving sideline catch vs the Bills. The TD vs the Browns. The diving 1st down catch over the middle against i forget who. The crossing route that he took for 30 yds against the Browns. The great catch where unfortunately he just couldnt get his second toe in bounds....

dear god have we sunken so low that people are now impressed with catches that are not inbound?

also i take any of torrey 2 TDs against champ in the afc championship game over those you have described.
id take torrey game winning TD against the steelers at heinz field after he had a big drop on the previous play.

his entire performance against the pats on the day his brother died is probably the most impressive game i ever seen a ravens receiver play given the circumstances.
interestingly in that game he made a great leaping TD catch high pointing the ball.
he also had a pretty nice run after the catch.
not to mention he made a pretty good diving catch that went for a TD with a defender all over him.

 

 

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

No. No ones saying the extreme statements youre trying to insinuate. 

What does feel noticeable from the eye ball test is that Perriman has a similar ability to Torrey to use his speed to get over top of guys and beat them deep for catches and potentially PIs.

What hes also shown quite a bit of, which we rarely if ever got out of Torrey, is an ability to high point a ball and pluck it away from a defender, adjust his body in mid-air to react to balls thrown outside his body, contort and extend to widen his catch radius, use his size/strength to box out and position himself to make catches that the defender wont be able to defend... 

Torrey did a few things really well. But there were other things he didnt do well at all. Perriman has shown glimpses of being able to do the things Torrey did well, maybe just as well, but has definitely already shown an ability to do the things Torrey could not for whatever reason.

so you are confirming that torrey did indeed face the situations that perriman has faced as in the mods description?

yes or no is enough.

also perriman is taller then torrey.
he is supposed to be better at high pointing a ball and take it away from a defender.

 

[Tru11]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Quote where I said that

quote where my question contained anything regarding consistency or just perriman first 9 weeks.