The Perriman Thread

[Tank 92]

7 hours ago, reed20 said:

Sure he did. How impressive to abuse the poor little browns.

I hope he pans out of course but doing it against the browns is not really much of a statement for him or anybody else on our offense tonight. Even waller scored

"even Waller scored"?  Waller is no slouch and is going to get better and better with more playing time.  He had a TD last week if not held by Timmons.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Look i dont care who the opponent is. That catch was that catch.

There arent that many guys in the league with the body control, athleticism, concentration and hands to make the TD catch that Perriman made.

Most guys wouldnt make that catch with their own shadow covering them.... having run past the throw, momentum falling away from the ball, contorting the upper body in mid-air, plucking the ball extended 3 feet away from the body... and the fact that he had to actually reach around a defender and his vision was partially blocked just decreased the amount of time he actually saw the ball and got to react.

What exactly does the team he's facing have to do with the level of difficulty that catch was? Again, another silly argument.

When there's legitimate hurdles facing him.... like, ya know, only having played football for 6 years or so, 2 of those years he sat due to injury, not having had a single offseason practice to develop the finer points of being a pro receiver like route running.... those are just excuses - BUST.

He makes a crazy difficult catch, and bc of the uniform the other teams wore - DOESNT COUNT.

 

Sure - maybe he doesnt ever pan out or live up to his 1st round billing. But, hes now made 3-4 catches this year that only a handful of players in this league have the talent and athleticism to make on any consistent basis. yes, he needs to improve his route running and cut out some of the concentration drops - but route running, thats one of those things you learn, ya know, in those off season practices. That thing he's missed twice, where most players make their biggest strides in development... that same thing that some want to argue doesnt matter that hes missed.

Dudes shown what the ceiling looks like. The potential is high. All he's gotta do now is move that floor up and we've got ourselves a keeper.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So. Since the Boldin rookie year was used as evidence Perrimans a bust and can never pan out based on his production thus far... figured I'd do a little searching. Honestly didnt even have to dig that deep. Of course theres the guys we know had big rookie years, but i just started searching players that i wasnt sure about there rookie years. Here we go:

So the format will be: Player Name - Rec, Yards, TDs

Michael Irvin - 32, 654, 5

Cris Carter - 27, 413, 3 (4th year, 1st with Minn)

Reggie Wayne - 27, 345, 0

SSS - 10, 154, 0

TO - 35, 520, 4

Ochocinco - 28, 329, 1

Antonio Brown - 16, 167, 0

Demaryius Thomas - 22, 283, 2

V Jack - 27, 453, 6

Hines Ward - 15, 246, 0

Dez Bryant - 45, 561, 6

Alshon Jeffery - 24, 367, 3

B Marshall - 20, 309, 2

 

I can keep going.... 

 

Perriman (on pace for) - 35 catches, 500 yds, 2 TDs (and his targets are increasing, so i expect an uptick if anything as the season goes on).

So, I think this little exercise shows us clearly, Perriman has no shot of ever becoming even a good receiver based on his first years production thus far. No even average receiver has had such low production in their first year.... offseason or no offseason.

Anquan Boldin is better than every single one of those guys.

He's even better than Megatron, whose rookie year 48 catches, 756 yds and 4 TDs were a clear indicator of how awful his career would be.

Good thing, we're no the only franchise thats ever wasted a pick on a receiver who makes it obvious in their first year that theyll never pan out based on their production.

[JoeyFlex5]

Perriman made that catch against an NFL cb. Regardless of his uniform, he's still a NFL caliber db, and you shouldn't hold it against him that we considered it a mismatch with him facing boddy-calhoun near the red zone. 

Also not to mention, regardless of the db he faced, he had good coverage on that play and Joe threw one of the worst balls he possibly could have there, and perriman made it happen anyway. I mean isn't that what we've wanted from a wr this whole time?

[Jacquouille]

I don't know more than 5 WR that can adjust their body and catch that ball.

If he was wearing a blue jersey with N13 on it the Internet would've exploded. But no, he dropped a short pass on a 3rd&20 in full garbage time, so nope.

[Militant X 1]

That was a very nice catch by Perriman for his 1st NFL TD.  Happy for the young buck!

[ALI624]

The CB that Perriman caught the touchdown against beat SSSr for the interception.

[Ravensfan23]

So when Perriman wasn't playing as well, the thread is on fire. He has his best game as a pro and shows the flashes of why the Ravens are so high on him and it gets a half of page reaction? Gotta love this fan base. 

Great job on his first career TD. That play was so special because of what Perriman did at the top of the route and point of the catch. Because Flacco had enough pressure where he couldn't step into the throw the way you'd like, the ball was a bit under thrown. Flacco just basically wanted to give him a shot. What was so special to me is that Perriman could have easily just played it as a jump ball which would have been contested and a tough catch. Perriman set the DB up to look for the jump ball but then made the adjustment to the ball. Those are the type of things that separate good WRs from great one imo. He made the catch a bit tougher for him but made a play on the ball impossible for the DB. If you are studying that on tape you're shaking your head because it's literally no way of stopping that without holding him for a DPI in the endzone. 

He was so raw during the first part of the year, but he' starting to round into shape with his route running, explosion and physicality. He has already gotten the respect of some of the better CBs in the game and he's only gonna improve his route running. His speed is starting to show up more because I think the game is slowing down for him. That TD was something special and not many would give think about attempting that play, let alone making it. I know some were saying he doesn't play to that 4.2 speed or whatever it was, but he actually does. It's just everything around him slowing down so he can speed up. I was watching someone interview DHall from the Redskins and they asked him who he'd build a track team with and Perriman was one of his guys. Now that doesn't mean much at all, but watching him beat guys like Haden, Revies and Josh Norman says a lot. He and Joe seem to be building that chemistry more and more. Over that last 2 weeks Flacco has targeted BP 8 times with 6recs 97yds 1TD, 1drop and Flacco missed him for another 41 yard TD. 

I've said it before and will say it again, he needs to get more of Aiken's reps imo. He's doing a great job when the ball isn't coming his way with blocking and pulling coverage, I just think he serves much more purpose to the offense and opens things up for others more. It's almost like the Ravens have him on a pitch count and that was cool in the beginning of the season because he was coming off injury and missing a full season. However now it seems he's up to speed and because he isn't coming from a long college season, draft process and just non-stop football that rookies face, I don't think we have to worry about him hitting a wall this season. Someone called him Ponyman as a joke, but he does run like a stallion and it's time for the Ravens to let this horse out of the barn for good. 

[Cville-Raven]

5 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I've said it before and will say it again, he needs to get more of Aiken's reps imo. He's doing a great job when the ball isn't coming his way with blocking and pulling coverage, I just think he serves much more purpose to the offense and opens things up for others more. It's almost like the Ravens have him on a pitch count and that was cool in the beginning of the season because he was coming off injury and missing a full season. However now it seems he's up to speed and because he isn't coming from a long college season, draft process and just non-stop football that rookies face, I don't think we have to worry about him hitting a wall this season. Someone called him Ponyman as a joke, but he does run like a stallion and it's time for the Ravens to let this horse out of the barn for good. 

I agree, they need to get him more slants. His speed is dangerous. 

[terrynjulia03]

I've long said Aiken is no better than a 3rd guy on any teams depth chart, and got slammed because "those" kept trying to say he was a Boldin and blah blah. There is zero reason why Perriman isn't 3rd on the chart right now. He was you're 1st Rd pick. Gotta get him snaps. I've been critical of him also but maybe with more snaps he can show why he was picked in the 1st. 

[flynismo]

No, but can we call this thread a bust now?

[K-Dog]

5 hours ago, flynismo said:

No, but can we call this thread a bust now?

I did a few weeks ago...

[Underdogsontop!]

On October 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Cillmatic said:

Correa might be the worst 2nd round pick ever.

Worst then Arthur brown?

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

Worst then Arthur brown?

No. Cill speaks mostly in hyperboles.

[Cillmatic]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

No. Cill speaks mostly in hyperboles.

I was just bugging out back then. I just got caught in the "Ozzie is the worst GM in football" cult. I'm back now.

Edited November 14, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

I was just bugging out back then. I just got caught in the "Ozzie is the worst GM in football" cult. I'm back now.

Happens to the best of us 

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

I was just bugging out back then. I just got caught in the "Ozzie is the worst GM in football" cult. I'm back now.

Lawl all good man. I get caught up in the harbaugh rants every time he fails on an aggressive call. It happens.

[flynismo]

7 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Happens to the best of us 

Never happened to me

[TheKingFlip31]

Meanwhile in San Francisco...Torrey Smith is making $4.5M this year, catching 17 balls for 243 yards and 2 TDs...

I'd say Perriman is the better value here

[Ravenseconbeast]

On 11/11/2016 at 8:05 AM, Cillmatic said:

Im EXTREMELY excited to see what Perriman can do when he actually gets a full offseason.

He has to start performing now in order for us to evaluate him for next year.    I can see us drafting some WRs/Oline that might wipe off the #2 WR spot if Perrimen does not light it up.   Especially if those draft picks are 4th round and higher.

[January J]

Perriman is starting to heat up. Who I want to see more out of is Moore. I really expected him to have atleast a few TDs and be catching several deep balls- but i dont think he's caught any if I'm not mistaken. He's got killer speed and he's just not using it correctly and has shown poor hands. Hopefully he can turn things around. I expected him to be a sleeper and catch teams off guard.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Perriman is starting to heat up. Who I want to see more out of is Moore. I really expected him to have atleast a few TDs and be catching several deep balls- but i dont think he's caught any if I'm not mistaken. He's got killer speed and he's just not using it correctly and has shown poor hands. Hopefully he can turn things around. I expected him to be a sleeper and catch teams off guard.

I'd like to see him as our returner.   Seems to have good vision and the obvious speed

[jdynamite]

On 11/10/2016 at 11:00 AM, PurpleCity5 said:

Perriman did struggle a bit against the press. I don't think that should be a problem for him given his size and speed but it certainly has been. I do think he has to earn his opportunities, there are certainly some catches he should have made that would have given them to him but unfortunately for him, his learning curve is super tough given the circumstances. 

He has to work on technique and the subtleties of the position to beat the press better.  To get a good release and he has to work his first step and rip, swim techniques to beat the defender.   

Michael Irvin and S.Mauracci WR camp had good examples of it.   

[jdynamite]

2 hours ago, January J said:

Perriman is starting to heat up. Who I want to see more out of is Moore. I really expected him to have atleast a few TDs and be catching several deep balls- but i dont think he's caught any if I'm not mistaken. He's got killer speed and he's just not using it correctly and has shown poor hands. Hopefully he can turn things around. I expected him to be a sleeper and catch teams off guard.

It's something about Moore that I really like. Doesn't seem like he's getting many offensive reps at the moment.  But I think when he gets his next opportunity he will make the most of it, just as he's making the most out of his special teams role. 

Edited November 15, 2016 by jdynamite
Changed we to *when lol.

[RayRocks]

6 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

It's something about Moore that I really like. Doesn't seem like he's getting many offensive reps at the moment.  But I think we he gets his next opportunity he will make the most of it, just as he's making the most out of his special teams role. 

Moore has been tremendous on ST.  I do think that he'll start to get more looks on offense, but I'm more excited to see his development in year 2.

[jdynamite]

On 11/14/2016 at 0:18 AM, Underdogsontop! said:

Worst then Arthur brown?

 Arthur Brown is still the unexplained I mean guy never got on the field to fail or succeed. 

But other 2nd round picks that either didn't play for us due to injury or was terrible : Sergio Kindle, Dan Cody, and Terrance Cody really didn't live up to the Mountain Cody rep he built at Bama. 

Terrance Cody is probably my most disappointing pick because I really thought Cody would be a monster NT clogging the middle like a Sam Adams or Ted Washington and Cody was routinely tossed around and that was with Ngata on side of him getting Double Teamed.  Beyond that I just always found his physique to show his lack of weight room work because he had the tiniest arms, undefined arms I've ever seen on a 300+ pound football player. 

[January J]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I'd like to see him as our returner.   Seems to have good vision and the obvious speed

Me too. At this point id rather have ASA Jackson at returner over Hester. He just got promoted to the 53 too.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, January J said:

Me too. At this point id rather have ASA Jackson at returner over Hester. He just got promoted to the 53 too.

Yea that was the first thing I thought when I saw the update.  I was on board with the Hester signing because it was low eisk/high reward,  just hadn't worked out.  

[gtalk12]

All we need is some patience, this dude is looking better and better as the season goes. On our current squad, with the exception of maybe Steve Smith nobody else is making a play like that on our current WR core or past WR core...PERIOD. None have the body AND the wheels he has to get there....we just need to hope he can take it even further than this.

 

Just like his father, who is going to be apart of this process and a proven vet in a league that was hard on WR's. Let's have faith boys, we sit on top of our division now.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, January J said:

Perriman is starting to heat up. Who I want to see more out of is Moore. I really expected him to have atleast a few TDs and be catching several deep balls- but i dont think he's caught any if I'm not mistaken. He's got killer speed and he's just not using it correctly and has shown poor hands. Hopefully he can turn things around. I expected him to be a sleeper and catch teams off guard.

I always thought he was being overhyped by us... I was cautiously optimistic.