The Perriman Thread

[sflegend89]

People need to chill with this bust talk. It is beyond early and if you haven't noticed the entire offense has been pedestrian outside of maybe Wallace. 

Perriman has flashed potential and that's all you can hope for out of a guy who was a project to begin with and jumped to the NFL after a full year out of football and 2 knee injuries.

Patience is key. We would all love for 1st round rookies to hit the ground running but given the circumstances Perriman had a major set back and he already was more on the project side as a prospect, great raw talent and frame, needed refining. I'm hanging in there with Breshad, I think it will click for him late this year or early next season.

[RaineV1]

Perriman was definitely out playing Artie Burns in this game when they were lined up against each other. If Flacco doesn't overthrow him then Perriman would have beaten Burns deep. After that Burns was giving him a huge cushion that most play callers would have exploited all game long.

[BmoreBird22]

Being at the game, I noticed three times (including the overthrow) where Perriman broke loose deep, but Joe either missed the throw or began to rollout and pulled his eyes down.

[K-Dog]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Being at the game, I noticed three times (including the overthrow) where Perriman broke loose deep, but Joe either missed the throw or began to rollout and pulled his eyes down.

Gad-zooks !!!!!!!!!! That sounds painful.  Why would anyone do that to themselves ?

[sflegend89]

32 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Being at the game, I noticed three times (including the overthrow) where Perriman broke loose deep, but Joe either missed the throw or began to rollout and pulled his eyes down.

It is funny how Perriman has faced so much criticism this season but nobody wants to mention the fact that Flacco has been beyond abysmal for the majority of the season thus far when they talk about Perriman's production.

Flacco seems to be trending up since the bye but he still hasn't put Perriman in a situation to succeed with his lack of consistency and shoddy accuracy. Burns is a pretty good corner and Breshad beat him deep and Flacco just couldn't deliver a catchable ball. Those instances always seem to go unmentioned when people get on Perriman's case about production.

Edited November 9, 2016 by sflegend89

[I AM LEGEND]

14 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

It is funny how Perriman has faced so much criticism this season but nobody wants to mention the fact that Flacco has been beyond abysmal for the majority of the season thus far when they talk about Perriman's production.

 

That's all I've been talking about in regards to perriman. Hell, all the receivers honestly. Until Flacco or whoever u guys wanna "blame" for the failure of the offense gets better I'll always feel as if the offense is doing a disservice to the WRs and not the other way around. Let's be honest I could envision SSS/Aiken and perriman on many other teams with better numbers. I leave out MW bc he has seem to become Flaccos go to target. 

I personally think Perriman needs all of Aiken's snaps. Aiken has been a no show..and outside of hands has no other reason to be out there instead of BP.

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, sflegend89 said:

It is funny how Perriman has faced so much criticism this season but nobody wants to mention the fact that Flacco has been beyond abysmal for the majority of the season thus far when they talk about Perriman's production.

 

you have not seen the 2,786 threads about Flacco ?

[reed20]

10 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

He also played along side another HOF receiver. I get your point though, this whole season if very frustrating. The offense is not what we had envisioned, from protection to Flacco's play.

 

Joe F looks like he's gone backwards, I had hoped he would work on mechanics alot more and possibly get together with his receivers and develop chemistry.

Fitzgerald was not on that team. Boldin was the only weapon on that entire offense.

[reed20]

10 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah, let's compare it to one of the best rookies seasons from a WR of all time...

Seriously, if Boldin's rookie season is the line between bust or not, then almost every WR is a bust.

Anquan Boldin was just the perfect example to use because here's a guy that runs a 4.71 and dominating with a 4-12 football team while people are doubting guys like JuJu for running a 4.5 and overrating guys like Perriman because he runs a 4.2. To hell with the 40 yard dash. It means nothing once you put on pads and a defender in front of you.

[rmw10]

3 hours ago, reed20 said:

Anquan Boldin was just the perfect example to use because here's a guy that runs a 4.71 and dominating with a 4-12 football team while people are doubting guys like JuJu for running a 4.5 and overrating guys like Perriman because he runs a 4.2. To hell with the 40 yard dash. It means nothing once you put on pads and a defender in front of you.

It's the perfect example only because it only illustrates what you want it to illustrate.  Yes, Boldin dominated, but that doesn't mean that every single person falls under that same umbrella.  It's just senseless hate against Perriman for absolutely no reason.

[Ravensfan23]

Why is this thread still going on? This guy is basically a 2nd year rookie who missed all of his development practice time, so he's basically learning on the fly. It's like calling your 18 month old child a failure in life because they struggle to walk. Give the man time. He's doing some good thing and there are still things he needs to work on but I see improvement from him each game and it's not all about numbers.

As for his speed it's legit, the issue is that speed alone doesn't always win in the NFL like it does in college. That's why you need to learn better technique in camp but when you miss it and you miss it from a knee injury were you can't even in enough to work on your routes, you fall behind In your development. SSS is what 37 years old? And even he said earlier this year that it took him about 4 games to really trust his injured Achilles and a 2ND Year guy is just supposed to not have concerns at all? Give me a break.

I wish we could start labeling fans as a bust and trade or release them. It's a joke to call him a bust, but an even bigger joke for some many knowledgeable fans to still be discussing it.  

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, reed20 said:

Fitzgerald was not on that team. Boldin was the only weapon on that entire offense.

So Boldin was the only weapon... and that makes the production MORE impressive???

What?

When you're the only weapon you get force fed the ball. 

Boldin is a great player. No ones disputing that. But to put one players rookie production against Perriman and then declare Perriman sucks bc of it is just stupid. 

His speed is only part of what makes him an attractive prospect. The size, overall athleticism, ability to attack the ball in the air are all impressive too. 

Hes probably 5th in the pecking order in terms of weapons. He doesn't have anywhere near the targets that a guy like Boldin got his rookie season. 

Torrey put up over 1k yds when he was the only weapon. Does that make it impressive??

Marlon Brown had what 8 TDs and over 700 yds as a rookie when he was force fed the ball. Definitely an indicator of ability as a player. 

 

Great point. Totally makes sense. 

[OldToby]

When have we ever been good at developing WRs? This guy will put it together in time. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, OldToby said:

When have we ever been good at developing WRs? This guy will put it together in time. 

This is extremely frustrating.  I don't know any of the scouts and how that works or the wrs coach.   Have we had any change over in that area? 

[sflegend89]

18 hours ago, K-Dog said:

you have not seen the 2,786 threads about Flacco ?

We're talking in relation to Perriman. The correlation is rarely brought up when people get on Perriman for lack of production this year.

In fact there was an article on this site insinuating that Perriman was responsible for Flacco's 2 picks against the Jets which is absurd.

Not saying Flacco hasn't felt the heat from fans this year but for some reason there is little crossover from that when Perriman get's criticized.

[JoeyFlex5]

22 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

exactly, look at the other receivers in the same draft class as breshad other than amari cooper

kevin white, devante parker, nelson agholor, jaelen strong, devin smith, dorial green-beckham among many others

- not one of them is really considered a bust yet and most of them have played more and had more practice time than breshad

Lol Devin Smith... Everyone in these boards wanted him...

[Cillmatic]

WR isn't a constant threat after 8 games playing with a QB having a REALLY bad year with a patch work O-line? BUST!!!!! 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

32 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

WR isn't a constant threat after 8 games playing with a QB having a REALLY bad year with a patch work O-line? BUST!!!!! 

and itd even be one thing if he was getting the volume of targets to constitute a decent sample size... but idk if he even has 30 targets all season.

A big part of production is opportunity. And, probably rightfully so, since hes missed both of his training camps hes having to earn his opportunity. It'll come. And when it does then we can evaluate.

For every Boldin rookie season you can point to 5 good-to-great receivers who didn't have very good rookie years. It's such a dumb premise - but ive come to expect that around here.

[BmoreBird22]

10 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So Boldin was the only weapon... and that makes the production MORE impressive???

What?

When you're the only weapon you get force fed the ball.

I honestly think this depends on the receiver.

With Calvin Johnson, I do agree it made it more impressive (similar to AP's 2000 yard season).

[reed20]

12 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So Boldin was the only weapon... and that makes the production MORE impressive???

What?

When you're the only weapon you get force fed the ball. 

Boldin is a great player. No ones disputing that. But to put one players rookie production against Perriman and then declare Perriman sucks bc of it is just stupid. 

His speed is only part of what makes him an attractive prospect. The size, overall athleticism, ability to attack the ball in the air are all impressive too. 

Hes probably 5th in the pecking order in terms of weapons. He doesn't have anywhere near the targets that a guy like Boldin got his rookie season. 

Torrey put up over 1k yds when he was the only weapon. Does that make it impressive??

Marlon Brown had what 8 TDs and over 700 yds as a rookie when he was force fed the ball. Definitely an indicator of ability as a player. 

 

Great point. Totally makes sense. 

Sure you get a lot of attention from your offense but you also get a lot of attention from opposing defenses. Doulbe, triple coverage even. Teams will gameplan to stop primarily you if you're the sole weapon. Great players still make plays.

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

and itd even be one thing if he was getting the volume of targets to constitute a decent sample size... but idk if he even has 30 targets all season.

A big part of production is opportunity. And, probably rightfully so, since hes missed both of his training camps hes having to earn his opportunity. It'll come. And when it does then we can evaluate.

For every Boldin rookie season you can point to 5 good-to-great receivers who didn't have very good rookie years. It's such a dumb premise - but ive come to expect that around here.

38 Targets. The first game of the season is the only game he wasn't targeted at least 4 times in. He's being targeted more than Aiken but I think he should be targeted more. I know he's not really being schemed into the offense as much as guys like SSS, Wallace and Pitta, but he had Steelers DBs playing off and I though he should have been a focal point in the 2nd half, but he wasn't targeted at all. There were a couple of 2nd & 2 situations where the DB was playing off and i thought it would have been a great time to just get the ball in his hands. I definitely think the coaches are making him earn his opportunities and he seems up to the challenge.

 

[Edgar]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lol Devin Smith... Everyone in these boards wanted him...

Not everyone.

[TuckerTime9]

After the 2014 draft class (Evans, Watkins, OBJ) people just seem to have unrealistic expectations for WRs coming out of college. Give it time! It's been 8 weeks....

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

How about this - if you want to call Perriman a bust at this point... have at it.

But, then we get to call you an idiot.

[PurpleCity5]

14 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

38 Targets. The first game of the season is the only game he wasn't targeted at least 4 times in. He's being targeted more than Aiken but I think he should be targeted more. I know he's not really being schemed into the offense as much as guys like SSS, Wallace and Pitta, but he had Steelers DBs playing off and I though he should have been a focal point in the 2nd half, but he wasn't targeted at all. There were a couple of 2nd & 2 situations where the DB was playing off and i thought it would have been a great time to just get the ball in his hands. I definitely think the coaches are making him earn his opportunities and he seems up to the challenge.

 

Perriman did struggle a bit against the press. I don't think that should be a problem for him given his size and speed but it certainly has been. I do think he has to earn his opportunities, there are certainly some catches he should have made that would have given them to him but unfortunately for him, his learning curve is super tough given the circumstances. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

I still say if you pick virtually any good WR from the past, their first year numbers aren't that far off from Perrimans'. Take T.O.'s 1st year 58 targets/35 receptions on 16 games. Perriman on 8 games 38 targets/17 receptions. Where is there a big enough difference to call him a bust? I don't get it.

[BmoreBird22]

23 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Perriman did struggle a bit against the press. I don't think that should be a problem for him given his size and speed but it certainly has been. I do think he has to earn his opportunities, there are certainly some catches he should have made that would have given them to him but unfortunately for him, his learning curve is super tough given the circumstances. 

Beating press is more about footwork than anything else.

[Ravens4Real]

He's a bust compared to where he was taken in the draft. Should have probably been a 2nd rounder but so many teams needing a WR pushed him into the 1st.

He will probably end up being a 2-3 WR that lifts the top off the defense. The best we can hope for is probably what DJax is in Washington right now.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, Ravens4Real said:

He's a busy compared to where he was taken in the draft. Should have probably been a 2nd rounder but so many teams needing a WR pushed him into the 1st.

He will probably end up being a 2-3 WR that lifts the top off the defense. The best we can hope for is probably what DJax is in Washington right now.

While I agree his raw ability pushed him into the first round (rumors of him runnning a 4.18 40 yard dash and his 6'2 height). I think his raw ability alone is good enough for where we drafted him even though I would've rather had other players but you get what you get. But I still think the Eagles and Colts reached more for Agohlor and Dorsett respectively.

[reed20]

4 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

How about this - if you want to call Perriman a bust at this point... have at it.

But, then we get to call you an idiot.

And then if we're right and Perriman truly busts then you can call yourselves idiots.