The Perriman Thread

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Where are the facts on 'most pressured QB' in the league?  

2 weeks ago, flaccopologist fans were up in arms about Flacco being 'most sacked QB in the league'   Now after few people dug into the fact, he actually hasnt been sacked much.   

Show me the facts.

I find this term extremely misleading.  I mean, anyone who said Joe was the most sacked qb in the league and didn't fact check themselves, well theyre just dumb.  Now saying that Joe is getting no line up and cant even step into his throw, like the Oakland game for example, does that make me a 'term you use'?

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

I find this term extremely misleading.  I mean, anyone who said Joe was the most sacked qb in the league and didn't fact check themselves, well theyre just dumb.  Now saying that Joe is getting no line up and cant even step into his throw, like the Oakland game for example, does that make me a 'term you use'?

Don't bother, the Flacconators seldom use logic in their statements.  

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Where are the facts on 'most pressured QB' in the league?  

2 weeks ago, flaccopologist fans were up in arms about Flacco being 'most sacked QB in the league'   Now after few people dug into the fact, he actually hasnt been sacked much.   

Show me the facts.

I posted it last week, you remember the discussion where you avoided all the questions/points directed at you, and just retorted with usual nonsense?

[usmccharles]

49 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Don't bother, the Flacconators seldom use logic in their statements.  

Haha valid point.  Just gets old, its like if i say, Joe just kept getting hit all day, some people hear Elite or something.

[Ravenseconbeast]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

I posted it last week, you remember the discussion where you avoided all the questions/points directed at you, and just retorted with usual nonsense?

Don't remember seeing that.  You can point it out here

[flynismo]

52 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Don't remember seeing that.  You can point it out here

Or...you can do your own legwork, instead of demanding things.

[BmoreBird22]

20 hours ago, Maryland said:

Byron Jones is actually a pretty big reason why Dallas's secondary is pretty good. And Malcolm Brown seems like a solid interior lineman for the Pats, at least I think he was pretty disruptive his rookie year--haven't paid much attention this year.

But you're only looking at 6 players anyway lol. 

I think the general consensus at the moment is that Brown is a disappointment, but Byron Jones was one of my favorite players in the draft prior the combine. I would have loved him here.

[ALPHA]

23 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the general consensus at the moment is that Brown is a disappointment, but Byron Jones was one of my favorite players in the draft prior the combine. I would have loved him here.

Was he on our radar, wasn't his hype primarily based around his workout?

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Was he on our radar, wasn't his hype primarily based around his workout?

You can go back to the 2014 winter, but I was actually talking him up as a steal of the fifth round before he blew up the combine.

I don't even know what put him on my radar since Connecticut isn't really a school to watch.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, flynismo said:

I posted it last week, you remember the discussion where you avoided all the questions/points directed at you, and just retorted with usual nonsense?

which one? theres too many of those exact situations to tell them apart..

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the general consensus at the moment is that Brown is a disappointment, but Byron Jones was one of my favorite players in the draft prior the combine. I would have loved him here.

i recall brown being initially a disappointment but i feel like i recall hearing he has been solid since late last season and has been sporadically disruptive.

[Maryland]

36 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Was he on our radar, wasn't his hype primarily based around his workout?

I'm pretty sure he was one of those players who blew-up the combine. I'm almost certain he broke the combine record for the long-jump and had a huge vertical. 

I think part of the question was whether he'd be a safety or a corner in the pros. He seems to be doing well as a safety. 

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i recall brown being initially a disappointment but i feel like i recall hearing he has been solid since late last season and has been sporadically disruptive.

Couldn't honestly tell you. I think he's just more solid than anything else.

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I'm pretty sure he was one of those players who blew-up the combine. I'm almost certain he broke the combine record for the long-jump and had a huge vertical. 

I think part of the question was whether he'd be a safety or a corner in the pros. He seems to be doing well as a safety. 

I think what he's asking is whether or not I knew about him prior to the combine. The answer is yes.

I actually liked him as a press man corner with upside in zone situations, but I had in fact known about him prior to the combine.

[Cillmatic]

I've got a good feeling about this game. Perriman might break out.

[Ravensfan23]

28 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I've got a good feeling about this game. Perriman might break out.

He needs it. Even with SSS back, I think Marty game plans to get Perriman involved early and often. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

I've got a good feeling about this game. Perriman might break out.

i dont think he will this week. i have this odd feeling that artie burns is gonna give him fits. hes one of the only cb's in the league with the athleticism to run and jump and play the ball with perriman, he doesnt have the IQ or the mirror ability of some of the guys who have just BARELY defended passes against perriman this year, but i think hes gonna struggle to get deep on burns if he has to see him often, if hes not getting over the top often then that opens up opportunities for the db to make plays.

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

I've got a good feeling about this game. Perriman might break out.

I keep having that feeling as well.

[Wisdom]

No, we can not and why would we?

[I AM LEGEND]

Been watching this thread for weeks. But doing my hardest to stay out of it.. Can't do it any longer.

1. I will never ever EVER call a WR a bust playing with this offense. 

2. Perriman has made some catches...and yes he's had some drops... But the overreaction of using the word bust is funny...especially when he hasn't even played half a season yet.

3. He's coming off a pretty significant injury... wait...those excuses are only for why flacco underachieves. Nvm

But seriously... I know we all want a 10 rec 100 yd game from our first round pick but flacco can barely get the ball to anyone on the team now we're expecting perriman to put up great numbers. How?! 

[Maryland]

2 hours ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Been watching this thread for weeks. But doing my hardest to stay out of it.. Can't do it any longer.

1. I will never ever EVER call a WR a bust playing with this offense. 

2. Perriman has made some catches...and yes he's had some drops... But the overreaction of using the word bust is funny...especially when he hasn't even played half a season yet.

3. He's coming off a pretty significant injury... wait...those excuses are only for why flacco underachieves. Nvm

But seriously... I know we all want a 10 rec 100 yd game from our first round pick but flacco can barely get the ball to anyone on the team now we're expecting perriman to put up great numbers. How?! 

Honestly, that YPC is way too low--I want that closer to 16, preferably more like 20. He's supposed to be a deep threat, after all, so make it 10 catches for 200 yds.

Edited November 6, 2016 by Maryland

[reed20]

Ponyman still looking for his first touchdown. Whats new..

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 hours ago, reed20 said:

Ponyman still looking for his first touchdown. Whats new..

We have like 5 passing TDs as a team.

And Ponyman?? What does that even mean? Is it an allusion to his horse like speed and jumping ability? If so, maybe it is fitting then.

Dude hasnt had an offseason yet. He's had 8 weeks of practice his entire career so far (less than most rookies get their 1st offseason) and he hasnt had the luxury of being able to focus on development in those 8 weeks bc he's having to learn the game plan and be ready for games.

He's shown the ability to make the circus catch deep, come across the middle, making diving catches, snatch the ball out of the air, etc...

But, hes had some concentration drops. His route running needs to improve. He's gotta get off the line better. Things that most rookies struggle with. He'll continue to improve once Joe starts trusting him more... and once he has a full offseason to work with - then you can truly evaluate him.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

We have like 5 passing TDs as a team.

And Ponyman?? What does that even mean? Is it an allusion to his horse like speed and jumping ability? If so, maybe it is fitting then.

Dude hasnt had an offseason yet. He's had 8 weeks of practice his entire career so far (less than most rookies get their 1st offseason) and he hasnt had the luxury of being able to focus on development in those 8 weeks bc he's having to learn the game plan and be ready for games.

He's shown the ability to make the circus catch deep, come across the middle, making diving catches, snatch the ball out of the air, etc...

But, hes had some concentration drops. His route running needs to improve. He's gotta get off the line better. Things that most rookies struggle with. He'll continue to improve once Joe starts trusting him more... and once he has a full offseason to work with - then you can truly evaluate him.

People don't seem to understand the difference that TC makes. why do you think veterans get so many days off? Because they are developed. Young guys get a heavy workload in TC because they need to get up to speed with nfl technique before the season starts, once the season starts it becomes all about executing the playbook and there is nothing but reps to do so, but taking playbook reps and taking development reps are totally different. If he even had a month of developmental practice before the playbook reps started then he can work on technique and execution at the same time. 

It seriously makes such a big difference. Not every wr is amari Cooper coming out.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

People don't seem to understand the difference that TC makes. why do you think veterans get so many days off? Because they are developed. Young guys get a heavy workload in TC because they need to get up to speed with nfl technique before the season starts, once the season starts it becomes all about executing the playbook and there is nothing but reps to do so, but taking playbook reps and taking development reps are totally different. If he even had a month of developmental practice before the playbook reps started then he can work on technique and execution at the same time. 

It seriously makes such a big difference. Not every wr is amari Cooper coming out.

It's the most critical time for a young player.

And it's almost a double whammy, since he's missed 2 years now, and hes now practicing every day, every week focusing on game preparation - it means he's reinforcing any bad habits he may have.

Now, im sure the coaches talk to him, pull him aside every now and again, talk about technique, etc... but there's a difference between talking about it, and being able to run 50 routes, talk about each one after, and then go apply those improvements on the next rep.

Right now, any success he's having is almost based 100% on his athletic ability and natural talents. Sure, he's had some coaching, but far less than anyone he's facing out there so hes at a huge disadvantage when it comes to technique. And we've seen some jaw-dropping type stuff from him already.

Its tough to have success just based on athleticism and raw talent in the NFL. So that tells me hes got something a little extra. Given a full offseason to cultivate it - i think we'll be pleased with the results.

[reed20]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

We have like 5 passing TDs as a team.

And Ponyman?? What does that even mean? Is it an allusion to his horse like speed and jumping ability? If so, maybe it is fitting then.

Dude hasnt had an offseason yet. He's had 8 weeks of practice his entire career so far (less than most rookies get their 1st offseason) and he hasnt had the luxury of being able to focus on development in those 8 weeks bc he's having to learn the game plan and be ready for games.

He's shown the ability to make the circus catch deep, come across the middle, making diving catches, snatch the ball out of the air, etc...

But, hes had some concentration drops. His route running needs to improve. He's gotta get off the line better. Things that most rookies struggle with. He'll continue to improve once Joe starts trusting him more... and once he has a full offseason to work with - then you can truly evaluate him.

We'd have more passing touchdowns as a team if Perriman was at all contributing.

Wallace has 4 of flaccos 6 touchdowns. SSS and gillmore have the other two even though they've both missed time. Lack of WR production, outside of wallace is why we have so few touchdowns. SSS coming back meant more opportunities for wallace since BP isn't scaring anyone and we saw more production out of the WR position because of that. He's a one trick pony, even in college he was. His stats were not even that great. He had one 1000 yard season and that was barely even eclipsed. Every attribute of his, even the ones you mentioned is that of a one trick pony. None of your praise was "terrific hands, great route running, gets physical with defenders, breaks tackles."

You think he's gonna develop any of that just because he's got 4.2 speed and came out of the first round? Not a lot of guys that dont already have that go to develop it by just attending training camp.

[reed20]

Look at boldin in his rookie season for example. Being on a crap 4-12 team and a rotation of poor quarterbacks is even worse than missing a training camp when it comes to production. And he runs a 4.71 mind you! Slow as all hell for a receiver but guess what? He's a football player through and through and elapses 1000 yards with 8 tds as a rook. Perriman has no excuse besides just not being that good.

[gtalk12]

6 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Look at boldin in his rookie season for example. Being on a crap 4-12 team and a rotation of poor quarterbacks is even worse than missing a training camp when it comes to production. And he runs a 4.71 mind you! Slow as all hell for a receiver but guess what? He's a football player through and through and elapses 1000 yards with 8 tds as a rook. Perriman has no excuse besides just not being that good.

He also played along side another HOF receiver. I get your point though, this whole season if very frustrating. The offense is not what we had envisioned, from protection to Flacco's play.

 

Joe F looks like he's gone backwards, I had hoped he would work on mechanics alot more and possibly get together with his receivers and develop chemistry.

[rmw10]

12 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Look at boldin in his rookie season for example. Being on a crap 4-12 team and a rotation of poor quarterbacks is even worse than missing a training camp when it comes to production. And he runs a 4.71 mind you! Slow as all hell for a receiver but guess what? He's a football player through and through and elapses 1000 yards with 8 tds as a rook. Perriman has no excuse besides just not being that good.

Yeah, let's compare it to one of the best rookies seasons from a WR of all time...

Seriously, if Boldin's rookie season is the line between bust or not, then almost every WR is a bust.

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah, let's compare it to one of the best rookies seasons from a WR of all time...

Seriously, if Boldin's rookie season is the line between bust or not, then almost every WR is a bust.

exactly, look at the other receivers in the same draft class as breshad other than amari cooper

kevin white, devante parker, nelson agholor, jaelen strong, devin smith, dorial green-beckham among many others

- not one of them is really considered a bust yet and most of them have played more and had more practice time than breshad