The Perriman Thread

[OUravensfan]

22 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

That Cincy O-line has a 8.2% sacked rate (22 sacks in 246 pass attempts) which is the 2nd worst % in the league. Compare that to the Ravens who have a 4.3% sacked rate (14 sacks in 308 attempts). That ranks as the 6th best %. Cincy has given up 34 QB hits compared to our 44. 

As for the running game the Bengals are only averaging 30.1 more rush yards per game, and have 1 more rushing TD than us. I do agree that Cincy has a better run game, but It's a little closer than people think. 

And this guy 

(Picture is too large but it's AJ Green once again making a ridiculous catch for Dalton)

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, OUravensfan said:

Probably would be higher if he had AJ Green on the other end of it. 

The one thing that infuriates me about articles like these is they DO NOT give a damn definition for their statistics. What does accurate or inaccurate look like?  

Also, anyone else notice that as you move further down the list, the quality of deep ball specialists on those teams begins to deteriorate (keeping in mind Jackson was out most of the year for Washington).

[BmoreBird22]

35 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

That Cincy O-line has a 8.2% sacked rate (22 sacks in 246 pass attempts) which is the 2nd worst % in the league. Compare that to the Ravens who have a 4.3% sacked rate (14 sacks in 308 attempts). That ranks as the 6th best %. Cincy has given up 34 QB hits compared to our 44. 

As for the running game the Bengals are only averaging 30.1 more rush yards per game, and have 1 more rushing TD than us. I do agree that Cincy has a better run game, but It's a little closer than people think. 

It doesn't help that Dalton has taken a sack on almost 30% of his pressures, worst in the league and that does go back to the quarterback. 

I'd be more curious to see the pressure percentage because Joe actually knows how to move out of the pocket and avoid hits. Give me the percentage of dropbacks he's pressured on.

As far as the run game goes, the Bengals are 10th and the Ravens are 26th. The Ravens are "only" behind 30 yards on only four less carries, meaning the Bengals are doing it far more effectively than the Ravens. As someone else pointed out, they got nine carries for like 160 yards out of Hill. The Ravens don't have that type of back.

[OUravensfan]

Not fair my picture proves the point better and I can't compress it right now.

We are all pretty familiar with the impact an image can have in regards to capturing the pinnacle and underlying power of an argument versus descriptive vocabulary that conveys the same thing. 

 

[OUravensfan]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The one thing that infuriates me about articles like these is they DO NOT give a damn definition for their statistics. What does accurate or inaccurate look like?  

Also, anyone else notice that as you move further down the list, the quality of deep ball specialists on those teams begins to deteriorate (keeping in mind Jackson was out most of the year for Washington).

Nothing illustrates the impact a good WR can immediately have on Joe than seeing one come here and succeed right away in Steve Smith. Chemistry? It's natural between a great WR and talented QB, you don't need a whole season and 2 off seasons to 'develop' it

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, OUravensfan said:

Nothing illustrates the impact a good WR can immediately have on Joe than seeing one come here and succeed right away in Steve Smith. Chemistry? It's natural between a great WR and talented QB, you don't need a whole season and 2 off seasons to 'develop' it

One thing I will also say about Perriman is that people said that Clowney was a bust after two injury-plagued years but he has started to turn on the switch now in his third year. I am not and never was a fan of Clowney, but it shows that a guy can be derailed by injuries and eventually contribute. 

[OUravensfan]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

One thing I will also say about Perriman is that people said that Clowney was a bust after two injury-plagued years but he has started to turn on the switch now in his third year. I am not and never was a fan of Clowney, but it shows that a guy can be derailed by injuries and eventually contribute. 

I'm still giving him that chance, he has showed the briefest glimpses of being a good player, glimpses. 

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

One thing I will also say about Perriman is that people said that Clowney was a bust after two injury-plagued years but he has started to turn on the switch now in his third year. I am not and never was a fan of Clowney, but it shows that a guy can be derailed by injuries and eventually contribute. 

There are many players that flip the switch with time. Hell, look at Whitney Mercilus now. Even JJ Watt wasn't made overnight.

[PurpleCity5]

If Breshad was really shadowed by Revis all game, than that would definitely explain his absence. Even if Revis is on a downward spiral he's still a respectable CB. Tough for a guy who is pretty much a rookie to beat him out right like that. Hopefully he can turn it up in the 2nd half of the season. I'm still hopefully for the guy. 

[Maryland]

15 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I liked Breshad and I have high hopes for him. That said you can't rely on the guy next season as a "step up guy". What I mean is that you can't expect him to break out next year because he has not shown much this year. Not dissing him because he's missed so much time but I don't think we need to be bit by this "O well we can expect this guy to step up because he's shown bright spots" mentality that has killed us and has been part of the reason we're in the situation we're in right now. 

I feel like this is one of those sensible opinions that inflames fans for some reason. I feel like you can depend on someone like Judon becoming a contributor next season, at least as a DPR, since he's already showing talent, but you can't depend on guys like Perriman or Correa until they show something promising. You're not saying that they'll bust, just that you can't feel comfortable depending on them playing major snaps next year; their spot on the roster shouldn't preclude you from signing or drafting someone at the same position, since their development is uncertain right now.

[flynismo]

13 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It doesn't help that Dalton has taken a sack on almost 30% of his pressures, worst in the league and that does go back to the quarterback. 

I'd be more curious to see the pressure percentage because Joe actually knows how to move out of the pocket and avoid hits. Give me the percentage of dropbacks he's pressured on.

As far as the run game goes, the Bengals are 10th and the Ravens are 26th. The Ravens are "only" behind 30 yards on only four less carries, meaning the Bengals are doing it far more effectively than the Ravens. As someone else pointed out, they got nine carries for like 160 yards out of Hill. The Ravens don't have that type of back.

I was going to address something similar to what you said.

It isn't the sack-to-dropbacks percentage, it's the sack to pressures percentage that we should be looking at. Flacco the most pressured QB in the league, but is sacked half as often as Luck and other guys says a lot for Flacco and his supposed lack of pocket awareness.

[BmoreBird22]

48 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I was going to address something similar to what you said.

It isn't the sack-to-dropbacks percentage, it's the sack to pressures percentage that we should be looking at. Flacco the most pressured QB in the league, but is sacked half as often as Luck and other guys says a lot for Flacco and his supposed lack of pocket awareness.

Luck has been the most hit, sacked, and hurried quarterback since entering the league, so I'm not sure how he stacks up, but I'd have a hard time believing guys like Ryan, Rivers, or Dalton are pressured more

[terps85]

8 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

If Breshad was really shadowed by Revis all game, than that would definitely explain his absence. Even if Revis is on a downward spiral he's still a respectable CB. Tough for a guy who is pretty much a rookie to beat him out right like that. Hopefully he can turn it up in the 2nd half of the season. I'm still hopefully for the guy. 

Not only would it explain his lack of stats, but it shows what the Jets think of him and that he might be/probably is doing better than what the fans' perception is. 

[PurpleCity5]

5 hours ago, Maryland said:

I feel like this is one of those sensible opinions that inflames fans for some reason. I feel like you can depend on someone like Judon becoming a contributor next season, at least as a DPR, since he's already showing talent, but you can't depend on guys like Perriman or Correa until they show something promising. You're not saying that they'll bust, just that you can't feel comfortable depending on them playing major snaps next year; their spot on the roster shouldn't preclude you from signing or drafting someone at the same position, since their development is uncertain right now.

Right now, I would pretend as if Perriman and Correa are bubble guys. They're certainly not and are guranteed a roster spot next year but until they show something you cannot assume that they will blow up. We've been bitten before by the "This guy will step up" mentality that has killed this team. Guys like Courtney Upshaw, Tandon Doss,, Za'Darius Smith, have shown not a glimpse of elite play at their position. Now Za'Darius Smith 6 sack season left people satisfied but at the same time, we also saw that a lot of those were coverage sacks and when you look at pressure as a whole(Which in my opinion matters just as much as sacks), then it was something to be desired in him. Then you look at guys like , Shareece Wright, Rashaan Melvin, and Chykie Brown and you look at their resumes and its not all that good. 

I don't want us to make that same mistake with Perriman and Correa until they show something. 

[443hurricane]

He is going to be a bust just like Arthur Brown. He doesn't have the dog in him. I watched the entire game on dvr and it's obvious even in his other games. He does not have that dog in him. Watch SSS he has that dog. Go watch AJ Green he has that dog in him.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, 443hurricane said:

He is going to be a bust just like Arthur Brown. He doesn't have the dog in him. I watched the entire game on dvr and it's obvious even in his other games. He does not have that dog in him. Watch SSS he has that dog. Go watch AJ Green he has that dog in him.

I won't go as far as your first statement, but his personality definitely doesn't match what you typically see out of a #1 WR.  Perriman doesn't seem mentally tough, and that's definitely a concern.  That doesn't mean he can't get better of course, but he just seems a little different overall.

Zrebiec wrote about it here: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-perriman-1026-20161025-story.html

[Edug27]

9 minutes ago, 443hurricane said:

He is going to be a bust just like Arthur Brown. He doesn't have the dog in him. I watched the entire game on dvr and it's obvious even in his other games. He does not have that dog in him. Watch SSS he has that dog. Go watch AJ Green he has that dog in him.

Demaryius Thomas had that dog in him his rookie season? 

[PurpleCity5]

Perriman's learning curve has been tougher than expected. He ran the full route tree in college and played in a pro style offense. I figured that would help him some but than again he hasn't played in UCF for 2 years. It sucks what injuries can do to you. I know he doesn't want to use that excuse but if I had not got in work in 2 years I know I would certainly be rusty coming back to work. I think Perriman needs to just think of the mental things for now. Focus drops, chemistry and cleaning up the mental mistakes with be the most important thing going forward. 

Odell Beckham Jr. exploded week 9 of his rookie year and took the league over from then on. Now we all know there is no comparison between Odell and Breshad what so ever, Beckham is a very rare guy to come by, but Giants fans got frustrated with him as well at the start. It took him a while to shake off the rust himself. Let's just give Perriman time for the sake of it. 

[flynismo]

5 hours ago, Edug27 said:

Demaryius Thomas had that dog in him his rookie season? 

That just sounds creepy lol

[Tru11]

On 25-10-2016 at 3:58 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

Luck has been the most hit, sacked, and hurried quarterback since entering the league, so I'm not sure how he stacks up, but I'd have a hard time believing guys like Ryan, Rivers, or Dalton are pressured more

dalton has a pretty darn good o-line.
Ryan has a decent one.

Rivers o-line seems to be made out of glass tbh.
think they are better this season but the previous seasons where brutal lol.
.

[ALPHA]

Nobody drafted between Perriman and Maxx has done anything of note so we're not really missing out on anything with his progression, I mean it could have been worse considering that we were targeting Bud Dupree.

[rmw10]

8 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Nobody drafted between Perriman and Maxx has done anything of note so we're not really missing out on anything with his progression, I mean it could have been worse considering that we were targeting Bud Dupree.

If only Marcus Peters had fallen a bit farther.  When they said there were some guys that didn't make it down to them that they thought would, I think it's clear Peters was the main guy there.

[reed20]

It at least soothes my soul that nobody drafted after perriman in the first is doing anything anyway.

[January J]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

If only Marcus Peters had fallen a bit farther.  When they said there were some guys that didn't make it down to them that they thought would, I think it's clear Peters was the main guy there.

Yeah I  really really wanted peters. I thought for sure he'd make it to us. Him across from jimmy is a heck of a combo . Imagine that with ramsey and weddle in the back end. If we could've made that work and KO would've excepted our offer we'd be sittin pretty right now.

Once Peters was gone though perriman made perfect sense.  Pretty much the obvious choice. I'm really bummed about maxx Williams. Everybody was excited about swiping him from Pittsburgh and they've gotten more production from freaking Jesse James.

Edited October 27, 2016 by January J

[Rav'n Maniac]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

If only Marcus Peters had fallen a bit farther.  When they said there were some guys that didn't make it down to them that they thought would, I think it's clear Peters was the main guy there.

Yeah, I'm with you there. I wanted him not only because he is good but, because that's my last name as well.

[terps85]

11 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Nobody drafted between Perriman and Maxx has done anything of note so we're not really missing out on anything with his progression, I mean it could have been worse considering that we were targeting Bud Dupree.

Preston Smith has been pretty good for the Skins and would definitely had filled a need. 

But I'm still not convinced Perriman won't turn it around here soon. 

[kennethyamini1989]

apparently I am not the only one concerned with Perriman's progression. 

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/10/26/ravens-coach-john-harbaugh-is-getting-impatient-with-wr-breshad-perriman.html

[ALPHA]

2 hours ago, terps85 said:

Preston Smith has been pretty good for the Skins and would definitely had filled a need. 

But I'm still not convinced Perriman won't turn it around here soon. 

True, hes no world beater but hes contributing. Big power edge rushers just seem to translate better, man strength is real.

[Maryland]

17 hours ago, reed20 said:

It at least soothes my soul that nobody drafted after perriman in the first is doing anything anyway.

Byron Jones is actually a pretty big reason why Dallas's secondary is pretty good. And Malcolm Brown seems like a solid interior lineman for the Pats, at least I think he was pretty disruptive his rookie year--haven't paid much attention this year.

But you're only looking at 6 players anyway lol. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

On 10/25/2016 at 9:08 AM, flynismo said:

I was going to address something similar to what you said.

It isn't the sack-to-dropbacks percentage, it's the sack to pressures percentage that we should be looking at. Flacco the most pressured QB in the league, but is sacked half as often as Luck and other guys says a lot for Flacco and his supposed lack of pocket awareness.

Where are the facts on 'most pressured QB' in the league?  

2 weeks ago, flaccopologist fans were up in arms about Flacco being 'most sacked QB in the league'   Now after few people dug into the fact, he actually hasnt been sacked much.   

Show me the facts.