Next Up: Ravens vs Bengals, Sunday November 27 at M&T Bank

[hn68wb4]

2 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Reports are saying that Green will probably be back for the last game or two of the season. So this game is an 100% must win. 

We typically do not play well on the road and with Green back in their stadium, they will be looking to ruin our season week 17. The Ravens need this one.

I think it'll depend on where they are at that point, I suspect that if they're eliminated from playoff contention then they'll sit him, no sense in risking reinjury for a meaningless game on their end.

[Ravens4Real]

7 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I think it'll depend on where they are at that point, I suspect that if they're eliminated from playoff contention then they'll sit him, no sense in risking reinjury for a meaningless game on their end.

Try telling that to a competitive guy like AJ Green. A divisional foe, potential to ruin our season. If they aren't in the playoff race, then what's the harm of reinjury? He has 8 months to recover. If he's healthy enough to play, I'd bet a paycheck he is in there.

[hn68wb4]

59 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Hester almost consistently gives up yards because he is timid in fielding punts. Hester has always been a fumbler, but his home run ability has kind of made up for it. Since that home run ability isn't there anymore and he struggles to field punts, there isn't much justification left in keeping him. 

Campanaro's injuries have been frustrating, but they generally aren't the kind of lingering injuries that will affect him in the long run. He's certainly not a worldbeater by any means, but he brings more to the offense (considering that Hester brings nothing to the offense) and at this point in his career he is a better returner with more upside than Hester. 

It's not the severity of Camp's injuries that are holding him back, at this point its pretty much proven that he can't stay healthy. And I disagree that he's a better punt returner at the moment than Hester, his punt return abilities are really exaggerated around here, he provides about at much as Webb does back there, sure fire catch and maybe 10-15 yards if given room, he's not a home run threat either back there. If you're looking for homerun ability at punt returner then Asa is the best we've got there, if you're just looking for a sure fire catch then we can still just put Webb out there.

As far as Hester's decisions go, again this is something that this board is exaggerating. We're all frustrated with him to some extent but the majority of the time he's making the right decision when he's back there and we're getting unlucky. Letting it sail over his head inside the 10 is the right move, he can't really be blamed if they get a lucky bounce, by and large he's making the right decisions out there. I'm by no means someone that thinks he can't be replaced, but he definitely gets more crap than he really deserves.

[hn68wb4]

8 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Try telling that to a competitive guy like AJ Green. A divisional foe, potential to ruin our season. If they aren't in the playoff race, then what's the harm of reinjury? He has 8 months to recover. If he's healthy enough to play, I'd bet a paycheck he is in there.

I can tell it to him all day, in the end its not his decision to make. What's the harm of reinjury? are you serious? because we've definitely never seen a player hurt their career in the long run from a serious injury, there's only a million examples of players getting seriously injured and never being the same player again, what receiver needs a shoulder anyway?

Edited November 22, 2016 by hn68wb4

[Ravens4Real]

7 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I can tell it to him all day, in the end its not his decision to make, you really think Jimmy wouldn't have given anything to play last sunday. What's the harm of reinjury? are you serious? because we've definitely never seen a player hurt their career in the long run from a serious injury, there's only a million examples of players getting seriously injured and never being the same player again, what receiver needs a shoulder anyway?

What?!!!

First off, Green hurt his hamstring, not his shoulder. Not sure where that even came from. Second, a hamstring is not typically a body part that can hamper a career. It's not like a knee, neck or brain injury. There would be no harm in him actually reinjuring his hamstring. Like I said he has 8 months for it to heal fully and it would.

Theres also a major difference between him and Jimmy. Jimmy wasn't healthy enough to play. They said Green will probably be back. So you are saying that they will not play Green when he's healthy at the end of the year? You can try and tell a Green, when healthy, that he's still not playing. See how that works out for you.

And did you really say that he shouldn't play because he could get a serious injury?! Well then the game of football would not be around in your fairy land because every single player risks serious injury every time they step on the field. I guess they all should not play and live out their lives in a bubble. Dear lord.

Edited November 22, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[VermontRaven]

23 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Reports are saying that Green will probably be back for the last game or two of the season. So this game is an 100% must win. 

We typically do not play well on the road and with Green back in their stadium, they will be looking to ruin our season week 17. The Ravens need this one.

Yeah, we need to take care of business at home.  We have to go at least 9-7 to have a shot at the playoffs and I don't see us winning @ New England.  I think we need to win our remaining home games (this week vs. Bengals, next week vs. Dolphins, and week 15 vs. Eagles)...then we need to at least win 1 of 2 on road @ Pitt and @ Cincy....and we may have to win @ Pitt anyway depending what they do vs. Luck-less Colts, Giants, @ Bills, @ Bengals, and gimme home win vs. Browns.

[hn68wb4]

1 minute ago, Ravens4Real said:

What?!!!

First off, Green hurt his hamstring, not his shoulder. Not sure where that even came from. Second, a hamstring is not typically a body part that can hamper a career. It's not like a knee, neck or brain injury. There would be no harm in him actually reinjuring his hamstring. Like I said he has 8 months for it to heal fully and it would.

And did you really say that he shouldn't play because he could get a serious injury?! Well then the game of football would not be around in your fairy land because every single player risks serious injury every time they step on the field. I guess they all should not play and live out their lives in a bubble. Dear lord.

You caught me, I mistyped his injury, congrats. 

And no, that's not what I said, and you know it, nice try at twisting my words though, it's pretty pathetic that you resort to that. I said he shouldn't play because he might seriously reinjure himself, coming back so soon from an injury greatly increases chances of injury beyond just playing football, how bout next time you stick on point rather than trying to put words in my mouth, you're only damaging your own credibility when you do that. Good to know player safety is high on your priority list though.

[rmcjacket23]

34 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Try telling that to a competitive guy like AJ Green. A divisional foe, potential to ruin our season. If they aren't in the playoff race, then what's the harm of reinjury? He has 8 months to recover. If he's healthy enough to play, I'd bet a paycheck he is in there.

Maybe, but it also may not be up to him.

We've seen how little amount of time 8 months is. One setback and you've got major problems.

I agree with the original post. If they're out of playoff contention, you'll see him sparingly or not at all the last week of the season. 

Also no guarantee that game defines the playoffs for either team. Still plenty of games to be played before then.

[jboy19]

2 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

It's not the severity of Camp's injuries that are holding him back, at this point its pretty much proven that he can't stay healthy. And I disagree that he's a better punt returner at the moment than Hester, his punt return abilities are really exaggerated around here, he provides about at much as Webb does back there, sure fire catch and maybe 10-15 yards if given room, he's not a home run threat either back there. If you're looking for homerun ability at punt returner then Asa is the best we've got there, if you're just looking for a sure fire catch then we can still just put Webb out there.

As far as Hester's decisions go, again this is something that this board is exaggerating. We're all frustrated with him to some extent but the majority of the time he's making the right decision when he's back there and we're getting unlucky. Letting it sail over his head inside the 10 is the right move, he can't really be blamed if they get a lucky bounce, by and large he's making the right decisions out there. I'm by no means someone that thinks he can't be replaced, but he definitely gets more crap than he really deserves.

He's definitely a better punt returner. You could fair catch a punt every time and we'd probably be better off than having Hester back there. There's been numerous times the offense has started within their own 10 because Hester isn't fielding punts that he should. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The thing that I'm most concerned about in this match-up going down the season's final stretch-run is: "How much do the Bengals love their coach?" I would image that they would run through a wall for him.

That said, we better be ready to run through a wall and climb the highest Burfict barbed-wired fence to free up our offense. I think we do. Let's get loud about it Ravens Nation. No looking back. GO Ravens!!!

[JoeyFlex5]

17 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

What?!!!

First off, Green hurt his hamstring, not his shoulder. Not sure where that even came from. Second, a hamstring is not typically a body part that can hamper a career. It's not like a knee, neck or brain injury. There would be no harm in him actually reinjuring his hamstring. Like I said he has 8 months for it to heal fully and it would.

Theres also a major difference between him and Jimmy. Jimmy wasn't healthy enough to play. They said Green will probably be back. So you are saying that they will not play Green when he's healthy at the end of the year? You can try and tell a Green, when healthy, that he's still not playing. See how that works out for you.

And did you really say that he shouldn't play because he could get a serious injury?! Well then the game of football would not be around in your fairy land because every single player risks serious injury every time they step on the field. I guess they all should not play and live out their lives in a bubble. Dear lord.

Its a torn hamstring. One of thr most misleading injuries in sports. And a severe injury too. Less than 2 months for a torn hamstring is unrealistic at best, and with that injury he could feel 100% healthy and realize in one step that he isn't when he tweaks it. It happens all the time and hamstrings are probably the most likely injury to aggravate for seemingly no reason. 

Ultimately the team makes the decision, they make the investment in him by paying him, they are employing him, and if he's a hazard to himself on the field they can shut him down. If they don't want rehab for a re-torn hamstring cutting into his off-season and they're out of contention, they won't activate him. Its common sense, and teams do it every year when they get eliminated early.

[VermontRaven]

24 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Its a torn hamstring. One of thr most misleading injuries in sports. And a severe injury too. Less than 2 months for a torn hamstring is unrealistic at best, and with that injury he could feel 100% healthy and realize in one step that he isn't when he tweaks it. It happens all the time and hamstrings are probably the most likely injury to aggravate for seemingly no reason. 

Ultimately the team makes the decision, they make the investment in him by paying him, they are employing him, and if he's a hazard to himself on the field they can shut him down. If they don't want rehab for a re-torn hamstring cutting into his off-season and they're out of contention, they won't activate him. Its common sense, and teams do it every year when they get eliminated early.

Originally they thought it might be a torn hamstring, but turns out that it is a strained hamstring, meaning he may be back this season.  http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18106809/cincinnati-bengals-wr-aj-green-strained-hamstring-vs-ravens

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

Originally they thought it might be a torn hamstring, but turns out that it is a strained hamstring, meaning he may be back this season.  http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18106809/cincinnati-bengals-wr-aj-green-strained-hamstring-vs-ravens

Ahh well I never knew that. Why did they dramatize it so much lol

[TheRavenouseD2008]

We are also forgetting ALL of Cincys backs are injured or really banged up ..... 

[January J]

20 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

It's not the severity of Camp's injuries that are holding him back, at this point its pretty much proven that he can't stay healthy. And I disagree that he's a better punt returner at the moment than Hester, his punt return abilities are really exaggerated around here, he provides about at much as Webb does back there, sure fire catch and maybe 10-15 yards if given room, he's not a home run threat either back there. If you're looking for homerun ability at punt returner then Asa is the best we've got there, if you're just looking for a sure fire catch then we can still just put Webb out there.

As far as Hester's decisions go, again this is something that this board is exaggerating. We're all frustrated with him to some extent but the majority of the time he's making the right decision when he's back there and we're getting unlucky. Letting it sail over his head inside the 10 is the right move, he can't really be blamed if they get a lucky bounce, by and large he's making the right decisions out there. I'm by no means someone that thinks he can't be replaced, but he definitely gets more crap than he really deserves.

Could not disagree more. What games are you watching? This guy has been a HUGE liability  and literally makes a bad decision on almost every single punt. He looks timid and scared to catch the ball and I cringe everytime it goes his way. Eventually it's going to cost us a game and then its too late. I know I've been pretty vocal about this- but how others don't see it is beyond me. I don't care if campanaro only returns the ball 5 yards everytime, atleast he's not scared to catch the ball- and he gives us an alternative option in the slot. Its a no brainer to me- Hester is not going to do anything to help us- they've blamed some of it on his injury but at this point I really don't care- its absolutely foolish to waste a roster spot on a "specialist" when he's not even doing that job well. We cannot continue to run him out there and just wait for him to blow us a game. I'd rather send Webb out there and have him fair catch it every single time, straight up. Sorry for the rant its just crazy to me.

18 hours ago, jboy19 said:

He's definitely a better punt returner. You could fair catch a punt every time and we'd probably be better off than having Hester back there. There's been numerous times the offense has started within their own 10 because Hester isn't fielding punts that he should. 

Exactly.

 

45 minutes ago, TheRavenouseD2008 said:

We are also forgetting ALL of Cincys backs are injured or really banged up ..... 

Is Hill banged up too?

 

We get a win vs Cincinnati as long as we don't beat ourselves- which we tend to do at times. Limit  the penalties- do what we do best and shut down the run to make them one dimensional and force that red Ryder bb gun into throwing some interceptions. Let's hope that doom is actually ready this time. If him and suggs can even get back to 75% of what they were in 2014 then we will start giving offenses fits. Eifert is the only guy that could potentially beat us. Shut him down and we're good. Fully trust tavon on Boyd, and without green out there jimmy can roam free and we can just clamp down and Punish them. I know how this game SHOULD go...let's just hope it comes to fruition and we actually execute. Our defense can ball out all day long but if our offense doesn't show up we'd still lose. We need perriman to resurface. We need Boyle out there so we can stop watching pitta whiff on blocks, and we need to start throwing to waller again, esp in the redzone.

Edited November 23, 2016 by January J

[VermontRaven]

Practicing/Not practicing update:

Good to see Gillmore is finally back practicing.  Not good that Jimmy still isn't practicing.  Not surprised by Yanda..I am sure they will limit his practice reps.  Anyone know anything on Brandon Williams?  Is there an injury there?  Is this a precautionary thing, etc?

[VermontRaven]

Let's hope Harbaugh is right about Jimmy!  Glad to hear that it was just a rest day for Williams and Yanda.

[HoldingCall]

On ‎11‎/‎22‎/‎2016 at 1:23 PM, hn68wb4 said:

I think it'll depend on where they are at that point, I suspect that if they're eliminated from playoff contention then they'll sit him, no sense in risking reinjury for a meaningless game on their end.

I believe if the Bengals are out of it by the last game Green plays if able, if only for part of the game. The game could determine who, among coaches get fired.

[PurpleCity5]

On 11/21/2016 at 3:17 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Not likely anything happens with ZaDarius.

Doom is coming back as a part time rusher, and based on what I saw yesterday, I'm expecting Judon to take the biggest hit in playing time. Too many dumb penalties on ST and other places.

We still have Correa coming back. In that regard however he's not an edge setter at the moment and I don't think he's a legit starter right now. I personally think Za'Darius should see his snaps cut simply because of how ineffective he is this year. Doom coming back will do that, I personally see Za'darius gets that Upshaw role. He will split 1st and 2nd down with Correa and leave the field on 3rd/obvious passing downs. 

Judon has had ST problems and the only way for him to see the field is on ST, sucks because he's a better pass rusher than Za'Darius but ST's might lead him to the dog house. Don't think he deserves to be there. 

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I love playing Cinncy as much as the Steelers. Is always a very competitive game. 

[ravensnj]

Let's win this game. Don't abandon the running game. 

[nextgen_RavensFan]

2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Let's win this game. Don't abandon the running game. 

I like that idea a lot but unless they show us glaring weakness to stop our run we will try to force the ball downfield. For some reason They have a need to be a pass first team which would be great IF we had the O'line to pull it off but sadly currently we do not. I like running and controlling the tempo. A rested defense is much more effective as well.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

I like that idea a lot but unless they show us glaring weakness to stop our run we will try to force the ball downfield. For some reason They have a need to be a pass first team which would be great IF we had the O'line to pull it off but sadly currently we do not. I like running and controlling the tempo. A rested defense is much more effective as well.

If we are forced into having to pass like we did against Dallas, then we will abandon the run, and rightfully so.

[OUravensfan]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If we are forced into having to pass like we did against Dallas, then we will abandon the run, and rightfully so.

And then people that can't comprehend the context of the run pass mix will blame that if we lose

[OUravensfan]

This team has seen enough of what our corners look like without J Smith, if this isn't addressed next year I'm shocked 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Cant afford to lose.  We all heard what happen to AJ green and Giovanni Bernard.   

Don't lose to a already bad team that just lost its 2 main stars.   If I see us going 150 yards 0 TD for whole 1st 3 quarters again on passing game, im going to flip.

[VermontRaven]

15 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Cant afford to lose.  We all heard what happen to AJ green and Giovanni Bernard.   

Don't lose to a already bad team that just lost its 2 main stars.   If I see us going 150 yards 0 TD for whole 1st 3 quarters again on passing game, im going to flip.

I get yout point that we need to win this game, but those injuries are obviously on their offense, not their defense. Our defense needs to pretty much shut them down with green and bernard out.

Obviously I hope our offense has a good game--but our defense should shut them down so we don't NEED much from our offense.

[OUravensfan]

Having seen all the Bengals games this year in addition to ours, their defense is noticeably weaker. Geno Atkins however could make this an ugly game for us, he is still doing his thing. Their LB they picked up from Cleveland whose name is escaping me right now has been very weak in pass coverage, Burfict hasn't been as good as he has been. Their secondary is awful, the Redskins showed the passing blueprint on how to eat them up. Our offense should have a good game and it should come through the air mostly.

On offense, Dalton hasn't looked good this year and now without Green I'm salivating at seeing him struggle. Eifert is still making his way back, Boyd will get better but he's still very much a rookie and hasn't carried a full load yet, that could change now. Lafayell has showed flashes, with no Jimmy his big frame could cause issues. No Bernard is huge, I'm confident we will stuff Hill. Their stupid read option may get us a few times but we should shut their offense down, no excuses. Their pass pro has been getting worse.

Edited November 24, 2016 by OUravensfan

[OUravensfan]

Joe needs to be ready for heavy blitzes however. They did this extensively to Cousins and Tyrod, we need to have blitz beaters called. 

[Militant X 1]

2 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

Joe needs to be ready for heavy blitzes however. They did this extensively to Cousins and Tyrod, we need to have blitz beaters called. 

Those are his achilles.