Week 11: The Good, Bad and Ugly post game vent/rant Cowboys

[Cillmatic]

Just now, pep_meister said:

who hates him? names?

Just look at this forum. Half of the place despises the man.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

Dean Pees called his worst game of the year.

And ironically, he did precisely what most fans wanted him to do.

[ravensnj]

D Line was sooooo tired in the fourth , coming off with no emphasis. 

 

 

So many good questions by fans on this forum , need to be questioned , by coaching staff and ownership.

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

Dean Pees called his worst game of the year.

It's just the prevent and conservative crap. He's been here for a while. He should know better.

[pep_meister]

Just now, Cillmatic said:

It's just the prevent and conservative crap. He's been here for a while. He should know better.

the same thing that almost let pitt back in the game in the late 4th

[ravensnj]

One good thing, we had no illegal formation calls against us. I think we might have figured that one out.

[jimmypowder]

Pees got blown out in the second half. 

 

This is why we need a new DC 

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, DefensiveMind said:

yeah because starting flacco and paying  him a ton of money has done wonders since 2012!

And the alternative could be exponentially worse...

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, loveravensfootball said:

I may be in the minority, but I didn't feel like Flacco played that poorly today. And I couldn't have said it better myself.

I hope you aren't in the minority because Flacco played really well. I thought he ran the offense well at the LOS and delivered some really strong throws. Wallace should have completed that TD play and the offense was moving well outside of the stupid penalties.

 

[ravensdfan]

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And ironically, he did precisely what most fans wanted him to do.

Yes because we all clamoured for those 3 man rushes. smh  Please.

And we all asked for those 10 yd cushions when he did decide to bring a blitz - a perfectly obvious one as usual too.

Face it. He was aggressive, though not overly so, the first half. Then 2 mins hit and BAM! typical Pees crap. Then the 2nd half - with the exception of like 4 plays - 3/4 man rushes and huge cushions. He played scared.

Edited November 20, 2016 by ravensdfan

[jimmypowder]

Just now, Ravensfan23 said:

I hope you aren't in the minority because Flacco played really well. I thought he ran the offense well at the LOS and delivered some really strong throws. Wallace should have completed that TD play and the offense was moving well outside of the stupid penalties.

 

Flacco just did not get the ball enough in the 2nd half. 

[martinman89]

We played the best team in the NFL at their place and lost. It was a good game that turned frustrating to watch. The first half was good up until the Cowboys realized what horrible corners we had and started challenging S.Wright and J.Powers in the slot. When I found out J.Smith was inactive for this game, I knew we were going to lose this game. Our front 7 played exceptionally well but the Cowboys did what the Cowboys do...they wear down defenses slowly. Yeah we shut them down in the first half but what happened in the second half? Our Offense was no where to be found once again. They couldn't stay on the field and sustain drives long enough to give our Defense a break. I believe Kevin Byrne posted a something in one of his columns about how we could win this game by keeping our Defense fresh and dominant by chewing up clock on the Offensive side of the ball. Well that did not happen...AGAIN. Flacco continuously breaks down in the pocket. He's afraid to get hit after his knee injury last season. I don't fault him for that but he's definitely different this year, in a bad way because he gets rattled easily now. He's not worth the money the Ravens paid him. I thought our O-Line played well today...well enough for Flacco to succeed. The Cowboys have a mediocre secondary with its starting CBs absent and we couldn't find a way to expose them? We did have some success but it was almost too late....as always, lately. Im frustrated that Flacco still goes to his checkdowns even when we KNOW were GOING TO LOSE. This is a game we should have won. 

[omar586]

our Oline needs some major rebuilding, our turtle offense would never win in a catch up game. we're just inconsistent team overall, especially on offense. the good thing for us next sunday is AJ green is out.

Edited November 20, 2016 by omar586

[ravensdfan]

Just now, martinman89 said:

We played the best team in the NFL at their place and lost. It was a good game that turned frustrating to watch. The first half was good up until the Cowboys realized what horrible corners we had and started challenging S.Wright and J.Powers in the slot. When I found out J.Smith was inactive for this game, I knew we were going to lose this game. Our front 7 played exceptionally well but the Cowboys did what the Cowboys do...they wear down defenses slowly. Yeah we shut them down in the first half but what happened in the second half? Our Offense was no where to be found once again. They couldn't stay on the field and sustain drives long enough to give our Defense a break. I believe Kevin Byrne posted a something in one of his columns about how we could win this game by keeping our Defense fresh and dominant by chewing up clock on the Offensive side of the ball. Well that did not happen...AGAIN. Flacco continuously breaks down in the pocket. He's afraid to get hit after his knee injury last season. I don't fault him for that but he's definitely different this year, in a bad way because he gets rattled easily now. He's not worth the money the Ravens paid him. I thought our O-Line played well today...well enough for Flacco to succeed. The Cowboys have a mediocre secondary with its starting CBs absent and we couldn't find a way to expose them? We did have some success but it was almost too late....as always, lately. Im frustrated that Flacco still goes to his checkdowns even when we KNOW were GOING TO LOSE. This is a game we should have won. 

You mean for the what? 3 times the offense got the ball in the 2nd half? If the defense was tired it was their own fault. THEY couldn't get off the field.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Yes because we all clamoured for those 3 man rushes. smh  Please.

And we all asked for those 10 yd cushions when he did decide to bring a blitz - a perfectly obvious one as usual too.

Face it. He was aggressive, though not overly so, the first half. Then 2 mins hit and BAM! typical Pees crap. Then the 2nd half - with the exception of like 4 plays - 3/4 man rushes and huge cushions. He played scared.

Yeah, Shareece Wright in press coverage with a safety blitz package. No possible way that backfires. None whatsoever.

I mean you're not even trying at this point are ya.

[pep_meister]

Just now, omar586 said:

our Oline needs some major rebuilding, our turtle offense would never in a catch up game. we're just inconsistent team overall, especially on offense. the good thing for us next sunday is AJ green is out.

I like our OL when healthy. something in Flaccos psyche doesn't. We just need to not be in the position where we shuffle the entire OL with one injury. The rebuilding is in the WR corp when SSR is sipping mai thais on sunday and mike wallace is on his last year. If Perriman doesn't pan out which it's not looking that great, we are literally left with almost nothing.

[omar586]

we just need to sign someone that can replace SSS production and mentality, like Garcon or somebody.

[ravensdfan]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah, Shareece Wright in press coverage with a safety blitz package. No possible way that backfires. None whatsoever.

I mean you're not even trying at this point are ya.

So we let them march down the field without a single blitz - and because Pees is a genius who knows Wright is bad at press coverage, he strategically waits for them to be in the red zone to send a blitz - so that he can make sure there is a huge cushion to insure a TD? Is that your point? I think you are in deep denial.

Edited November 20, 2016 by ravensdfan

[martinman89]

4 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

You mean for the what? 3 times the offense got the ball in the 2nd half? If the defense was tired it was their own fault. THEY couldn't get off the field.

My point exactly! Make the most out of your drives. Stay on the field. Give the Cowboys less offensive chances to wear down our Defense and expose our CBs.

 

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

So we let them march down the field without a single blitz - and because Pees is a genius who knows Wright is bad at press coverage, he strategically waits for them to be in the red zone to send a blitz - so that he can make sure there is a huge cushion to insure a TD? Is that your point? I think you are in deep denial.

We let them march down the field with several blitzes on a completely separate drive. So how are you determining which one is better?

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, martinman89 said:

My point exactly! Make the most out of your drives. Stay on the field. Give the Cowboys less offensive chances to wear down our Defense and expose our CBs.

 

It's on both. The offense didn't do enough with the ball when they had it, and the defense didn't do nearly enough to stop them or to get off the field.

If you told me both of those things happened in the same game, I'd say we lose by 20. 

Overall, I had a much better outlook on the game as a whole than most did. Would have liked to have seen how it played out with Jimmy on the field.

[ravensdfan]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

We let them march down the field with several blitzes on a completely separate drive. So how are you determining which one is better?

No we didn't. That is disengenous. We rushed 3. 4. Brought 6 and held them to a short gain. Oh my it worked! Okay boys - back to rush 3. 4. They make the first down. Make another. Now we try bringing 6 again. It works! Back to rush 3/4. They make the first down. Rinse/repeat. It was aggressive vs scared. Plain and simple. The difference is obvious.

Edited November 20, 2016 by ravensdfan

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Just want to end my input with the good (We all should) Ending with a positive note.

The Ugly: After half-time for some unknown reason both of our coordinators took their feet off the pedal. Why? It had their offense playing into our strengths and was completely exposing their defense before the half. What gives? The game 'critical' phantom calls that were heavily in favor of the Cowboys (Inconsistent Questionable Officiating). The commentators and replay team. There was so much questionable stuff going-on in the Dallas secondary that never got attention or a second look - it was hard to watch this game for anyone who really knows the sport.

The Bad: We didn't get to silence the Raven Trolls.

The Good:

1) We unquestionably out-rushed the anointed 'Gods of Rushing' in the 1st half (West, Dixon and our O-line) double rushing yards).

2) We unquestionably out-played the anointed "Gods of America's Team" all around in the 1st half.

3) Although we went into the locker room tied (see 'Officiating - Ugly and Scheme Changes' above) we showed those who really know the sport that we can beat anybody when given a fair opportunity to do so.

4) Steve Smith reached a plateau that only league greats achieve.

5) There was never a moment (even when a loss was eminent) our players gave up (character).

6) We're still 1st in our division! 

Edited November 21, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
(see 'Officiating - Ugly and Scheme Changes' above)

[Ravens419]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

This is exactly the defense you'd expect with no Jimmy Smith playing. Were we really surprised?

This ^^^ as soon as I saw Jimmy wasn't playing I said Dez gets atleast two on us and what do you know the only positive things I can say about this game is we did stop Zeke fairly well that cowboys OL can move some men it was like there Oline went lights out come the second half Dak had all day in the pocket and the offense didn't look that bad I think we got Joe back for the rest of the year I'll say he's playing good smart football our offense didn't play bad minus the penalties we have a HUGE one in a week against  Cinciy and the Raven killer won't be playing let's go get one 

[drillem]

I'd kinda like to see a running back become the punt returner.  Someone expendable like Forsett (don't know why they dissed him).  We tried all sorts of things and maybe this makes no sense, but we rarely get a good return.  Shake things up.  Try new things.  Be innovative.  And win.

[Tank 92]

The D got smoked in the second half and it had nothing to do with scheme, play calling or our offense, or even poor execution. We just don't have the personnel to get consistent pressure against a quality O line like they faced today. And I'm not sure having Jimmy on the field would have mattered that much.  When you give ANY QB that much time to throw it's next to impossible to keep cover.  

[loveravensfootball]

Just now, Tank 92 said:

The D got smoked in the second half and it had nothing to do with scheme, play calling or our offense, or even poor execution. We just don't have the personnel to get consistent pressure against a quality O line like they faced today. And I'm not sure having Jimmy on the field would have mattered that much.  When you give ANY QB that much time to throw it's next to impossible to keep cover.  

 

That may be true, but I'd like to think that Jimmy plays a little better than Wright against Dez. We did get some pressure on the Cowboys in the first half but it just felt different after they converted that 1st and 30. 

[Tank 92]

Just now, loveravensfootball said:

That may be true, but I'd like to think that Jimmy plays a little better than Wright against Dez. We did get some pressure on the Cowboys in the first half but it just felt different after they converted that 1st and 30. 

yeah, the 1st and 30 series was the changing point of the game. Everything swung their way after that and we just could't get off the field.

[ravensnj]

18 minutes ago, omar586 said:

we just need to sign someone that can replace SSS production and mentality, like Garcon or somebody.

We chose to pass on Sterling Shepard. Hopefully, Christian McCaffrey will be there for us. He can single handedly keep the Offense going.  

[Ravensfan23]

31 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Flacco just did not get the ball enough in the 2nd half. 

Yeah and people like Brad Jackson will say it's his and the offenses fault that the defense couldn't get off the field but that's not the case. My only issue with the offense outside of the penalties is that neither Waller or Perriman seemed to be apart of the game plan, but again the offense just didn't tough the ball enough in the 2nd half as you said.

Zuttah has to be replaced.