Week 11: The Good, Bad and Ugly post game vent/rant Cowboys

[Tru11]

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, Joe's cap hit obviously props that up. Anytime you have a team spending $22M on a single player, that side of the ball gets most of the attention in terms of cap spending.

We spent about $40M on offensive players not named Flacco. Not a single offensive player on the team has a cap hit of greater than $5M other than Joe.

my point remains the same even though nothing you said is new information to me.

pretty sad we cant count on the offense at all at this point.

[Tank 92]

19 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, Joe's cap hit obviously props that up. Anytime you have a team spending $22M on a single player, that side of the ball gets most of the attention in terms of cap spending.

We spent about $40M on offensive players not named Flacco. Not a single offensive player on the team has a cap hit of greater than $5M other than Joe.

The QB on most teams is the highest paid player by far.  And the top 20 are all within $1 mil. to $6 mil. of each other, so it would seem that the Ravens are hardly in an unusual cap situation on offense. Just a guess, but I would think they are spending less on that side of the ball than most.

http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

Edited November 22, 2016 by Tank 92

[redrum52]

6 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

my point remains the same even though nothing you said is new information to me.

pretty sad we cant count on the offense at all at this point.

According to some there is suppose to be immediate payoff when you use your first round picks on offense and spend more money on that side of the ball.  should be a top unit.  Said person also claims that Pees is the only constant on a "bad" or "unclutch" defense.  Well... there is a constant on offense, but God forbid someone say to get rid of them...  

 

I'm not advocating either, just funny...

Knew certain holes wouldn't be fixed but didn't expect the offense to be this bad or edge pressure to be this terrible.  Not surprised with the secondary, since they seem to think Jimmy can cover 2 sides of the field.  Guess I should've seen the problem with the OL too.  Going to be a sad day when Yanda retires.

[rmcjacket23]

43 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

The QB on most teams is the highest paid player by far.  And the top 20 are all within $1 mil. to $6 mil. of each other, so it would seem that the Ravens are hardly in an unusual cap situation on offense. Just a guess, but I would think they are spending less on that side of the ball than most.

http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

Pretty much smack dab in the middle... 17th in the league in offensive cap spending. 19th in the league in defensive spending, so pretty balanced overall spending approach.

Positions where we spend very little money compared to the rest of the league:

RB: 28th in the league ($2.5M)

OL: 26th in the league ($18M)

DL: 32nd in the league ($7.2M)... unbelievable value here, though I suppose this may be skewed by the 3-4 vs 4-3 designations

Positions where we spend a lot of money compared to the rest of the league:

QB: 4th in the league ($24M)

LB: 9th in the league ($21.9M)... again, may be skewed by 3-4 vs 4-3 designations

S: 1st in the league ($18.9M)

 

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9 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Pretty much smack dab in the middle... 17th in the league in offensive cap spending. 19th in the league in defensive spending, so pretty balanced overall spending approach.

Positions where we spend very little money compared to the rest of the league:

RB: 28th in the league ($2.5M)

OL: 26th in the league ($18M)

DL: 32nd in the league ($7.2M)... unbelievable value here, though I suppose this may be skewed by the 3-4 vs 4-3 designations

Positions where we spend a lot of money compared to the rest of the league:

QB: 4th in the league ($24M)

LB: 9th in the league ($21.9M)... again, may be skewed by 3-4 vs 4-3 designations

S: 1st in the league ($18.9M)

 

My guess is we see a drop at S and LB next year and a spike in DL.  

 

I have wanted to make a cap thread so I don't keep asking this stupid question, but what is the cap situation like next year?

 

Also, is a real option to cut Webb, Doom and Pitta without taking that big a hit?

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, redrum52 said:

My guess is we see a drop at S and LB next year and a spike in DL.  

 

I have wanted to make a cap thread so I don't keep asking this stupid question, but what is the cap situation like next year?

 

Also, is a real option to cut Webb, Doom and Pitta without taking that big a hit?

All going to depend on cuts. 

Handful of players that I would consider "easy cuts" that would create space:

Zuttah ($2.4M in savings)

Watson ($3M in savings)

Arrington ($2.1M in savings)

Kendrick Lewis ($1.8M in savings)

Looking at in the $9-10M range of cap savings by cutting just those 4 guys, and it probably wouldn't take that much to find an upgrade or replacement. In most cases, these are non-starters who's replacements are better than them already.

Then there's sort of the "wildcard" veterans that may or may not be retained:

Dumervil ($6M in savings)

Pitta ($3.3M in savings)

Wright ($2.7M in savings)

Webb ($5.5M in savings)

In my opinion, the top 4 guys are all long gone, and I think Dumervil and Pitta won't be back. Only chance Pitta has of coming back is to take another large paycut like this season... would suspect he'd have to cut at least $3M to return (he's due $5.5M salary).

Wright and Webb are interesting to me. Wright returning as a 3rd or 4th corner I think makes sense. He's got a $4M base salary, so if they could get him to agree to cut $1-2M off that, I think he's worth keeping. 

Webb is the ultimate question mark for me. I think he's valued more by the organization than fans think, and I think we like having him and Weddle back there at safety. He's nothing special, but the safety position is much, much better than last season, and is a key reason for the defense being a lot better. 

His base salary at $5.5M is probably too high for his position, and he's got the 2nd highest cap number on the team for 2017 currently. Given its the last year of his deal, an extension to lower his cap hit and give him some added assurances in the future makes sense. Similar to Wright, a deal where his cap hit is lowered by $2-3M makes some sense for both sides I think.

I would point out that IF they cut all 8 of these players (and you could argue most of them aren't offering much value at this point), you're talking about creating $26-27M in cap space. You can buy just about anything you want with that.

Very much on the high side though. I suspect when the dust settles we will probably be in the $15-20M in space to spend.

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2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

All going to depend on cuts. 

Handful of players that I would consider "easy cuts" that would create space:

Zuttah ($2.4M in savings)

Watson ($3M in savings)

Arrington ($2.1M in savings)

Kendrick Lewis ($1.8M in savings)

Looking at in the $9-10M range of cap savings by cutting just those 4 guys, and it probably wouldn't take that much to find an upgrade or replacement. In most cases, these are non-starters who's replacements are better than them already.

Then there's sort of the "wildcard" veterans that may or may not be retained:

Dumervil ($6M in savings)

Pitta ($3.3M in savings)

Wright ($2.7M in savings)

Webb ($5.5M in savings)

In my opinion, the top 4 guys are all long gone, and I think Dumervil and Pitta won't be back. Only chance Pitta has of coming back is to take another large paycut like this season... would suspect he'd have to cut at least $3M to return (he's due $5.5M salary).

Wright and Webb are interesting to me. Wright returning as a 3rd or 4th corner I think makes sense. He's got a $4M base salary, so if they could get him to agree to cut $1-2M off that, I think he's worth keeping. 

Webb is the ultimate question mark for me. I think he's valued more by the organization than fans think, and I think we like having him and Weddle back there at safety. He's nothing special, but the safety position is much, much better than last season, and is a key reason for the defense being a lot better. 

His base salary at $5.5M is probably too high for his position, and he's got the 2nd highest cap number on the team for 2017 currently. Given its the last year of his deal, an extension to lower his cap hit and give him some added assurances in the future makes sense. Similar to Wright, a deal where his cap hit is lowered by $2-3M makes some sense for both sides I think.

I would point out that IF they cut all 8 of these players (and you could argue most of them aren't offering much value at this point), you're talking about creating $26-27M in cap space. You can buy just about anything you want with that.

Very much on the high side though. I suspect when the dust settles we will probably be in the $15-20M in space to spend.

I forgot Lewis and Arrington were still on the team.

 

I agree with your point about Webb.  I don't think he's playing "bad", but not the right value for what he provides.  Would keep Wright because we at least know what he offers and as we see, depth can't hurt, but again the price tag seems too high.  With that space we could make a few moves for some key pieces, though, it wouldn't hurt to use a decent amount to try and re-sign Williams.

 

I'm salivating thinking about what could be done with that cap space and could see all of them cut if contracts can't be renegotiated. 

[rmcjacket23]

29 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I forgot Lewis and Arrington were still on the team.

 

I agree with your point about Webb.  I don't think he's playing "bad", but not the right value for what he provides.  Would keep Wright because we at least know what he offers and as we see, depth can't hurt, but again the price tag seems too high.  With that space we could make a few moves for some key pieces, though, it wouldn't hurt to use a decent amount to try and re-sign Williams.

 

I'm salivating thinking about what could be done with that cap space and could see all of them cut if contracts can't be renegotiated. 

Both are on IR this season, but they are both currently under contract for 2017. Would be highly surprised if either returned.

[FerrariFan87]

On 11/20/2016 at 4:06 PM, Cville-Raven said:

Really need to replace Zuttah in the off season.

We need to replace him NOW. Why not plug in Urschel, assuming he figures out how to do a shotgun snap?

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, FerrariFan87 said:

We need to replace him NOW. Why not plug in Urschel, assuming he figures out how to do a shotgun snap?

I've been saying this all season because he was a hot mess, but I think he played pretty well in Dallas. The penalties were BS.  Maybe he will continue to up his game. 

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Pretty much smack dab in the middle... 17th in the league in offensive cap spending. 19th in the league in defensive spending, so pretty balanced overall spending approach.

Positions where we spend very little money compared to the rest of the league:

RB: 28th in the league ($2.5M)

OL: 26th in the league ($18M)

DL: 32nd in the league ($7.2M)... unbelievable value here, though I suppose this may be skewed by the 3-4 vs 4-3 designations

Positions where we spend a lot of money compared to the rest of the league:

QB: 4th in the league ($24M)

LB: 9th in the league ($21.9M)... again, may be skewed by 3-4 vs 4-3 designations

S: 1st in the league ($18.9M)

 

Good stuff.  Thanks.

 

[balfan23]

Just now, Tank 92 said:

I've been saying this all season because he was a hot mess, but I think he played pretty well in Dallas. The penalties were BS.  Maybe he will continue to up his game. 

Yes, he's become a favorite whipping boy, because he's had some very noticeable costly plays. Really, he's had other good games, but he's been pretty inconsistent. Unfortunately, he may be better than his backups, which is why he's still in the lineup.

I didn't like the unnecessary roughness call ... if a dude is still going after my player trying to bring him to the ground, he's fair game. 

[balfan23]

Despite my fond memories of Pitta, he's not making up for his woeful blocking in the passing game any more. I know it is unrealistic to think that Boyle is just going to click with the offense like he's never missed a day, but I really hope to see him taking the starting role soon. 

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10 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Yes, he's become a favorite whipping boy, because he's had some very noticeable costly plays. Really, he's had other good games, but he's been pretty inconsistent. Unfortunately, he may be better than his backups, which is why he's still in the lineup.

I didn't like the unnecessary roughness call ... if a dude is still going after my player trying to bring him to the ground, he's fair game. 

My problem with the play is it's almost always called against the OL, even when the refs forget to blow the whistle in that situation.

[Tank 92]

22 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Despite my fond memories of Pitta, he's not making up for his woeful blocking in the passing game any more. I know it is unrealistic to think that Boyle is just going to click with the offense like he's never missed a day, but I really hope to see him taking the starting role soon. 

Yeah, it's a shame, but it seems the double whammy on his hip has robbed him of some athletic ability. One can only imagine what he has gone through to get back on the field and he is to be admired for the efforts where a lesser man would have just quit.  

Oh well......at least he has a few $ to help heal the pain of perceived failure.  

Edited November 23, 2016 by Tank 92

[Tank 92]

15 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

 

I didn't like the unnecessary roughness call ... if a dude is still going after my player trying to bring him to the ground, he's fair game. 

There were so, so many questionable calls, and non calls. I know it has to be more than frustrating for the players and coaches to re watch the game and see the crap.

 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Okay this is it. It's 2 days after the Jerry World experience and there's still not anything out there evaluating 'What does it take for the Cowboys O-line to get called for a holding penalty?'. Is it grabbing outside shoulder pad during a touchdown pass?

(Observe Above: Grabbing of Jernigan's outside shoulder pad (completely twisting and contorting his upper-body) on an inside rush that led to Dallas TD.

League Rules

Use his hands or arms to materially restrict an opponent or alter the defender’s path or angle of pursuit. It is a foul regardless of whether the blocker’s hands are inside or outside the frame of the defender’s body. Material restrictions include but are not limited to:

1. grabbing or tackling an opponent;
2. hooking, jerking, twisting, or turning him; or
3. pulling him to the ground.

(Above: Orr is being push from the side while having upper shoulder pad grabbed) In addition Mosley and Pierce are both having their outside wrists grabbed (not shown from this angle).

(Above: On this Elliot run both Ravens were able to get one arm free for tackling Elliot, but Cowboys lineman are still reaching to grab again after Ravens broke free. Can a double-double holding penalty be called?)

Our guys never stood a chance. That said, I'm moving-on to Cincinnati. Really, I'm moving-on to Cincinnati.

GO Ravens!!! We'll still win in the end. 

[The Raven]

Just FYI, according to RSR's Filmstudy, Ravens only had three of 37 defensive snaps with a three man rush.

Any Pees haters complaining about too many three man rushes want to comment on that? I thought @ravensdfan was going on and on about all those three man rushes??? 

And no, six man rushes aren't the solution, no matter how much you rant about it.

[January J]

How many of y'all thought that pass to Wallace in the corner was a TD on first glance? I know I did before I saw the replay. Was a great catch- his body was just in a awkward position in order to get both feet down. Really sucks too BC a touchdown at that point in the game would've really put the pressure on them. Every single time we have a team on the ropes we are unable to capatilize and show that killer instinct. We lag and let them hang around until before you know it its a tie game... and then we lose the lead- then you look up and its already the 4th quarter with 6 minutes left and were forced to stop running the ball and start finally playing with an urgency. Its like were unable to move the ball the whole third quarter but then when its nearly too late we start marching the ball down the feild. I get that a lot of it is BC defenses switch to prevent trying to avoid giving up a big play but where was that urgency earlier in the game when we had the chance to go up 14-0?

[ravensdfan]

On 11/21/2016 at 5:06 PM, redrum52 said:

WHY BOTHER?  This is like arguing with Sami about Flacco.

I'm still waiting for that breakdown that is going to prove Pees did not change his approach in the 2nd half. So far it hasn't surfaced. Because he DID.

[ravensdfan]

15 hours ago, The Raven said:

Just FYI, according to RSR's Filmstudy, Ravens only had three of 37 defensive snaps with a three man rush.

Any Pees haters complaining about too many three man rushes want to comment on that? I thought @ravensdfan was going on and on about all those three man rushes??? 

And no, six man rushes aren't the solution, no matter how much you rant about it.

Keep up my man, I said 3/4 man rushes and what? I was not the one who talked of the constant 3 man rushes. Better go back and read again. . And it was one mention as well. About aggressive vs scared. Now, want to break down how many 5/6 man blitzes we actually had that 2nd half which your buddy was going on and on about?

Find a new bully target. And if you choose to bully, at least get your facts straight.

Edited November 23, 2016 by ravensdfan

[rmcjacket23]

13 hours ago, The Raven said:

Just FYI, according to RSR's Filmstudy, Ravens only had three of 37 defensive snaps with a three man rush.

Any Pees haters complaining about too many three man rushes want to comment on that? I thought @ravensdfan was going on and on about all those three man rushes??? 

And no, six man rushes aren't the solution, no matter how much you rant about it.

 

1 hour ago, ravensdfan said:

Keep up my man, I said 3/4 man rushes and what? You aren't going to call out @Militant X 1 on that? Who was the one who said about constant 3 man rushes? Typical. And it was one mention as well. About aggressive vs scared. Now, want to break down how many 5/6 man blitzes we actually had that 2nd half which your buddy was going on and on about?

Oh and just to help you out.

Militant X 1 said:

Find a new bully target. And if you choose to bully, at least get your facts straight.

Yeah there's more detail in FilmStudy's notes also...

1. The Raven is actually mistaken (if I'm reading his notes correctly). There were 37 TOTAL snaps where the Cowboys dropped back to pass... 36 attempts and 1 sack. Ravens rushed 4 or less on 23 of those 37 snaps, which is roughly 62%. So a 5+ man rush on about 40% of snaps.

2. 24 snaps Prescott had ATS, 13 snaps where he didn't have ATS. On the non-ATS snaps (basically when the pressure is good enough to affect the play), 6 of those snaps were 4 man rushes, and 7 were 5+ man rushes. 

3. Ravens still yielded 50% ATS with 5+ man rushes. So only about half the time where we brought "pressure" was it even remotely effective.

4. Cowboys averaged 11.4 YPP when Ravens rushed 5+. 

As he even referenced himself in his notes, quantity of rushers was completely meaningless in the Dallas game.

He also pointed out that there were 3 "exotic" blitz calls on those 37 snaps, and 2 of those plays resulted in completions of greater than 10 yards. The third resulted in an incompletion.

 

 

Edited November 23, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[ravensdfan]

43 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

 

Yeah there's more detail in FilmStudy's notes also...

1. The Raven is actually mistaken (if I'm reading his notes correctly). There were 37 TOTAL snaps where the Cowboys dropped back to pass... 36 attempts and 1 sack. Ravens rushed 4 or less on 23 of those 37 snaps, which is roughly 62%. So a 5+ man rush on about 40% of snaps.

2. 24 snaps Prescott had ATS, 13 snaps where he didn't have ATS. On the non-ATS snaps (basically when the pressure is good enough to affect the play), 6 of those snaps were 4 man rushes, and 7 were 5+ man rushes. 

3. Ravens still yielded 50% ATS with 5+ man rushes. So only about half the time where we brought "pressure" was it even remotely effective.

4. Cowboys averaged 11.4 YPP when Ravens rushed 5+. 

As he even referenced himself in his notes, quantity of rushers was completely meaningless in the Dallas game.

He also pointed out that there were 3 "exotic" blitz calls on those 37 snaps, and 2 of those plays resulted in completions of greater than 10 yards. The third resulted in an incompletion.

 

 

The exotic blitz stuff I absolutely get. Quite frankly, Pees isn't good at them and one can see them coming a mile away. They are rarely effective.

And what were the results when we rushed less than 5? What percentage of effectiveness? What did the Cowboys average when we brought less than 5? That stat seems incomplete.

 

[rmcjacket23]

12 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

The exotic blitz stuff I absolutely get. Quite frankly, Pees isn't good at them and one can see them coming a mile away. They are rarely effective.

And what were the results when we rushed less than 5? What percentage of effectiveness? What did the Cowboys average when we brought less than 5? That stat seems incomplete.

 

Prescott had ATS on 17/23 dropbacks with a 3-4 man rush, so roughly 74%.

He had ATS on 7/14 dropbacks with 5+ man rush, so roughly 50%.

I'm not 100% if the YPP stat applies to just passing downs or ALL downs, but my guess is it applies to just passing downs, since the entire analysis is based on that. So given that we gave up 11.4 YPP with a 5+ rush, and the total YPP on pass plays for the game was 8.1 YPP for Dallas, that would mean that YPP was a lot lower on 3-4 man rushes than it was on 5+ man rushes, which is pretty much expected. Doing quick math, looks like the YPP on pass plays on a 3-4 man rush was roughly 6.1 YPP.

So 6.1 YPP on a 3-4 man rush, 11.4 YPP on a 5+ man rush. So basically we were likely equally as effective in terms of getting pressure with a 5+ man rush as we were giving up a big play (over 10 yards) with a 5+ man rush.

FilmStudy also referenced the fact that 3 of the "pressure" plays that we got were based on "free runners" or unblocked pressure. One from Judon, one from Correa, and one from Weddle. My guess is that an unblocked OLB in most scenarios is simply a blown protection coverage, meaning the pressure was more about the Cowboys not picking it up rather than us applying it.

 

Edited November 23, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Dean Pees had to call a game vs a team with an elite oline, elite rb, future hall of fame TE, and a good wr corps. He called a poor second half but we were eventually down two corners. Every defense suffers after that. And we don't have a good edge rusher(Judon is inconsistent) yet. 

 

Sorry. He's literally the least of the team's worries this season/not the problem. We will have a top ten unit come the seasons end. 

[Militant X 1]

2 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

Keep up my man, I said 3/4 man rushes and what? You aren't going to call out @Militant X 1 on that? Who was the one who said about constant 3 man rushes? Typical. And it was one mention as well. About aggressive vs scared. Now, want to break down how many 5/6 man blitzes we actually had that 2nd half which your buddy was going on and on about?

Oh and just to help you out.

Militant X 1 said:

Find a new bully target. And if you choose to bully, at least get your facts straight.

Why are you mentioning my name and quote when someone is addressing you?

[Filmstudy]

22 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Pretty much smack dab in the middle... 17th in the league in offensive cap spending. 19th in the league in defensive spending, so pretty balanced overall spending approach.

Positions where we spend very little money compared to the rest of the league:

RB: 28th in the league ($2.5M)

OL: 26th in the league ($18M)

DL: 32nd in the league ($7.2M)... unbelievable value here, though I suppose this may be skewed by the 3-4 vs 4-3 designations

Positions where we spend a lot of money compared to the rest of the league:

QB: 4th in the league ($24M)

LB: 9th in the league ($21.9M)... again, may be skewed by 3-4 vs 4-3 designations

S: 1st in the league ($18.9M)

 

The DL is amazing value.  There is no expensive vet in the group and the group is healthy.  Good combination for value, but it will change in next 2 years.

The OL is also inexpensive, but that's about to change if they resign Wagner.

LB has Suggs, Doom, and a R1 pick.  This could be much lower next season.

S is the big waste spot with Webb and Elam big cap numbers.  The Ravens need to get younger here ASAP.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Filmstudy said:

The DL is amazing value.  There is no expensive vet in the group and the group is healthy.  Good combination for value, but it will change in next 2 years.

The OL is also inexpensive, but that's about to change if they resign Wagner.

LB has Suggs, Doom, and a R1 pick.  This could be much lower next season.

S is the big waste spot with Webb and Elam big cap numbers.  The Ravens need to get younger here ASAP.

OL shouldn't increase a ton though. Even if Wagner gets like $7M a year, that would probably only put us about middle of the pack in spending, and that'll likely be offset by dropping Zuttah, so may only see a few million increase. If they resigned Wagner, dumped Zuttah, and drafted a new center, you're looking at 3 rookie deals on the OLine. That's going to be cheap regardless.

Safety I'm conflicted with. Elam's cap number is only like $2.1M, so its not that big. I'm also beginning to think that the FO sort of "likes" having two veterans starting safeties. I think we're about to see a pretty strong youth movement at Corner, with Young and probably another moderately early round draft pick behind Jimmy, and so I'm not sure if the FO looks to get younger at safety in 2017. 2018-2019 absolutely, since Weddle is in the back end of his career and so is Webb. 

I know its not popular sentiment, but I actually think they attempt to extend Webb for like 2-3 years and lower his 2017 cap figure. No chance he's back at that price.

[Filmstudy]

BTW, OL scoring is up.

I saw Zuttah got a good grade from PFF.  He blocked well when not penalized, but the impact of the penalties was enormous and not properly weighted by PFF's system.  Part of it is that pass blocking is simply more important that run blocking due to leverage.  The other is that the mechanism for scoring balances positives and negatives with poor weighting.  That game was an F by a wide margin in terms of his total contribution.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/11/23/filmstudy/jeremy-zuttah-penalties-costly-dallas/

[Filmstudy]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

OL shouldn't increase a ton though. Even if Wagner gets like $7M a year, that would probably only put us about middle of the pack in spending, and that'll likely be offset by dropping Zuttah, so may only see a few million increase. If they resigned Wagner, dumped Zuttah, and drafted a new center, you're looking at 3 rookie deals on the OLine. That's going to be cheap regardless.

Safety I'm conflicted with. Elam's cap number is only like $2.1M, so its not that big. I'm also beginning to think that the FO sort of "likes" having two veterans starting safeties. I think we're about to see a pretty strong youth movement at Corner, with Young and probably another moderately early round draft pick behind Jimmy, and so I'm not sure if the FO looks to get younger at safety in 2017. 2018-2019 absolutely, since Weddle is in the back end of his career and so is Webb. 

I know its not popular sentiment, but I actually think they attempt to extend Webb for like 2-3 years and lower his 2017 cap figure. No chance he's back at that price.

I would like them to stop pushing cap dollars forward for Webb, even though his tag will be high next year.  If they draft a safety, I'd like someone on the extreme end of the spectrum.  Either great ball skills or the outstanding short-area coverage skills to play dime.  I don't think the Ravens will do as well someone who's a little of both.

How do you feel about resigning Elam for 2 years at, say, $3-4 M total?