Week 11: The Good, Bad and Ugly post game vent/rant Cowboys

[rmw10]

41 minutes ago, omar586 said:

im i the only one who thinks Pitt has been a liability especially in blocking.

Pitta looks like he's close to done.  The blocking has always been an issue, but it's been really bad so far this year.  He's seriously lacking in the pass catching portion of the game as well, though.  He's really struggling to separate as most of his receptions are short, underneath routes.  He rarely gets YAC, except for a nice one against a zone defense against Dallas.  He's still a reliable target when the ball goes his way since he still has quality hands, but he looks so slow and lethargic out there.

[Cillmatic]

12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Pitta looks like he's close to done.  The blocking has always been an issue, but it's been really bad so far this year.  He's seriously lacking in the pass catching portion of the game as well, though.  He's really struggling to separate as most of his receptions are short, underneath routes.  He rarely gets YAC, except for a nice one against a zone defense against Dallas.  He's still a reliable target when the ball goes his way since he still has quality hands, but he looks so slow and lethargic out there.

I'm pretty much thinking the same thing. It feels like we don't have a TE.

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, Sunday QB said:

Player played trying to play their best for the plays called.

 

 

Hmmm... 

 

Numerous catches made on players, who were in position, but I guess it's Pees fault that they are 5'9 going against 6'2 + wrs

Edited November 22, 2016 by redrum52

[FlocksGottaFeed]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Good  insight but I haven't seen anyone blame the loss on the refs..if they did that's just silly. .

That's a good point, didnt think about that.

Do a search on 'missed' calls in Cowboys games in the last 2-3 years and say again..."that's just silly." Just because it's not a topic of mass media conversation week to week doesn't mean it has no barring on outcomes. That's a proven. Now, do a search for the missed calls (replayed Sunday) from this game...crickets.

What is holding when it comes to the 'Elite' Cowboys O-line and under-talented defensive back field? Really?

[BmoreRavens732]

2 hours ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

I'm with you on this one. I'm a fan that also doesn't normally go there at all (even when it is sometimes questionable and not beyond reason). This last game...?

What is holding when it comes to the Cowboys? Pinning arms, grabbing hands, tearing jerseys off receivers?

It's amazing and somewhat unprecedented how no post game analysis, post game article and/or replay throughout league coverage didn't even bring to attention even the most obvious officiating errors (example: End-zone holding of Aiken, no whistle personal foul of Zuttah, Holding penalty inconsistencies between our O-line and the 'vaunted' Cowboys O-line, etc.). Just saying. Normally when officiating is that obviously questionable and/or open to interpretation there is immediate follow-up reports from the league outlining missed calls, rule discrepancies and readdressing measures that may possibly fix it (although too late for this game).

Do a search. You'd be hard pressed to find anything, but 'Where will Romo land?' or 'How bout' those Cowboys?'. etc. etc. etc. 

Man, officiating was so horrible it was almost like it's rigged. Like jerry Jones was writing checks. Now, I'm not saying I believe that but, I'm not saying I dont believe it either. Or at least there may have been major favoritism playing its part. I mean there was so many obvious missed holding calls, PI calls. Illegal contact calls and of course questionable calls being made on us. I'm usually not that guy as well, but if its that bad and that obvious, then I have no choice but to voice my opinion and views weather I receive flack or not for it. Mainly being labeled a sore lose by cow girl fans. But I dont care I know what I saw and if those refs are that bad then they dont belong in the NFL or college or even pee wees for gods sake.

[redrum52]

27 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Do a search on 'missed' calls in Cowboys games in the last 2-3 years and say again..."that's just silly." Just because it's not a topic of mass media conversation week to week doesn't mean it has no barring on outcomes. That's a proven. Now, do a search for the missed calls (replayed Sunday) from this game...crickets.

What is holding when it comes to the 'Elite' Cowboys O-line and under-talented defensive back field? Really?

ON a big run they flat out grabbed Williams face mask to block.. No call.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Sunday QB said:

Maybe we should see someone else run our draft board one time instead of Ozzie. Dean Pees needs to stop playing Prevent defense, just play Ravens football for 60 minutes. Then the only argument left is how players play.

The problem with that is, you cant just do a one year trial at GM because it takes years to build what said GM envisions. 

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

I'm pretty much thinking the same thing. It feels like we don't have a TE.

He's looking like Todd Heap in his later years - catch it and fall down immediately.

[terrynjulia03]

Ok so I've watched the game again, for the 3rd time. People calling it a "prevent D", it's not. However just like in the Pitt game Pees went into a version of a 2deep zone nickel. That pulls your LBs back and CBS now have sideline and deep responsibility. This leaves a lot of the underneath stuff wide open, along with giving Zeke room to run if he bounces it outside, which he did. A lot of people are defending Pees and that's fine. I'll even say the guy is really really good at gameplanning. Look at your typical 1st half defense since he's been here. Not many complaints. The problem is he's not very good at adjusting. The Cowboys, like Pitt saw what he was doing and adjusted around it. He changed to his usual, and they already planned for it. He tried throwing in some of years same things that worked in the 1st quarter, except they've already seen that, and hence it didn't work in the 3rd. This is why he was run out of NE. Do a google search for articles from Boston back when he was there. You'll see it's the same exact thing we've been saying here for years. 

 

As as far as people saying the offense only had 3 possessions in the second half so give them a break. Um, the Cowboys only had 3 possessions also. They went TD TD FG. We went Punt TD bye bye. 

My biggest problem is where was Perriman? Everyone boohooing about Jimmy being out, well they have their starting corner AND ss out and the 20th ranked secondary. Pitt got behind them and abused them. We had Wallace a few times and that's it. Most of SR stuff was short. You'd expect bombs away and let your big fast guys beat their pathetic secondary. Perriman and Waller were non existent. Why? 

[BmoreBird22]

11 hours ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

What is holding when it comes to the 'Elite' Cowboys O-line and under-talented defensive back field? Really?

I have said this many times, but the reputation of the player(s) will win out on calls. If you are considered one of the elite units in the NFL, the referees will give you a break.

Look at Brandon Browner in Seattle vs anywhere else. In Seattle, everyone knew those DBs were just mugging everyone down the field and about as handsy as Michigan State corners, but they weren't getting called with the frequency you'd expect. Browner moves onto NE and NO and he's the highest flagged corner for illegal contact and DPI. What changed? He's no longer apart of the "LoB." 

That's why when Dez Bryant had a clear push off on Tavon Young for a first down catch on third down (full arm extension and Tavon Young had no ability to come back to the ball with Dez), there was no call. The referees are going to chalk that up to a veteran move of savvy because Bryant is one of the top 5 NFL wide receivers when healthy and playing. If someone like Perriman did that, he's getting that called every single time.

Now, that doesn't change that there were a lot of other BS calls (the personal foul on Zuttah when the play wasn't over), but it is what it is. The Ravens played uninspiring football in the second half on both sides of the ball, but the officials didn't make it any easier to get things done. I don't know that the Ravens would have won since they had no red zone answers for Dez, but I think the game would have been a lot more competitive, maybe coming down to a final drive.

[Tank 92]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I have said this many times, but the reputation of the player(s) will win out on calls. If you are considered one of the elite units in the NFL, the referees will give you a break.

Look at Brandon Browner in Seattle vs anywhere else. In Seattle, everyone knew those DBs were just mugging everyone down the field and about as handsy as Michigan State corners, but they weren't getting called with the frequency you'd expect. Browner moves onto NE and NO and he's the highest flagged corner for illegal contact and DPI. What changed? He's no longer apart of the "LoB." 

That's why when Dez Bryant had a clear push off on Tavon Young for a first down catch on third down (full arm extension and Tavon Young had no ability to come back to the ball with Dez), there was no call. The referees are going to chalk that up to a veteran move of savvy because Bryant is one of the top 5 NFL wide receivers when healthy and playing. If someone like Perriman did that, he's getting that called every single time.

Now, that doesn't change that there were a lot of other BS calls (the personal foul on Zuttah when the play wasn't over), but it is what it is. The Ravens played uninspiring football in the second half on both sides of the ball, but the officials didn't make it any easier to get things done. I don't know that the Ravens would have won since they had no red zone answers for Dez, but I think the game would have been a lot more competitive, maybe coming down to a final drive.

I think you're theory here is correct, but it was more the case with the Cowboys team as a whole. May just be human nature(or maybe not), but I think that at least some of the officiating crew had decided prior to the game that Dallas was the better team and was going to win. Whatever it was the bias was blatant and fully apparent to even a casual observer.

[Militant X 1]

12 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Pitta looks like he's close to done.  The blocking has always been an issue, but it's been really bad so far this year.  He's seriously lacking in the pass catching portion of the game as well, though.  He's really struggling to separate as most of his receptions are short, underneath routes.  He rarely gets YAC, except for a nice one against a zone defense against Dallas.  He's still a reliable target when the ball goes his way since he still has quality hands, but he looks so slow and lethargic out there.

i always felt that Pitta was done.

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

i always felt that Pitta was done.

I was slightly hopeful after his 1 big game this year, but we haven't seen anything close to that since. 

[rmcjacket23]

17 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

5 years. Same argument. So either Ozzie & Co are bottom tier at what they're paid to do - orrrrrrrrrrrrr Pees doesn't know how to utilize personnel orrrrrrrrrrrr it is just a garbage argument.

5 years is a very, very, very short period of time in the NFL. Basically the length of one draft class.

[Tank 92]

11 hours ago, rmw10 said:

He's looking like Todd Heap in his later years - catch it and fall down immediately.

lol..... Pitta has always caught a lot of his passes like this.  I don't think he falls after the catch, more like he slides down while catching. It does seem that it happens more often now though.  I think what's more of a bad sign is his complete failures at blocking. He never was a great blocker, but now he's just like a turnstile. 

Unless he has some sort of nick we don't know about it may be that Dennis will never be the same player he was.

[BmoreBird22]

31 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I think you're theory here is correct, but it was more the case with the Cowboys team as a whole. May just be human nature(or maybe not), but I think that at least some of the officiating crew had decided prior to the game that Dallas was the better team and was going to win. Whatever it was the bias was blatant and fully apparent to even a casual observer.

I don't think the Ravens lost because of officiating, but they certainly only made it a steeper uphill battle. Felt it was very lopsided.

[Tank 92]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think the Ravens lost because of officiating, but they certainly only made it a steeper uphill battle. Felt it was very lopsided.

Impossible to tell, but many of the penalties/non calls stopped drives and robbed momentum. I think one would have to assume that the offense would have a had a much better game.

[edthehead]

I am of the few who thinks, we really have talent here,

I bleed purple so don't cut off my head, unless you want purple blood everywhere 

people do you think it's time for change,

I love the picks last draft and we do not know what the future holds

our coaches can not get it done with the players we have.

so we need an aggressive draft to get those or that 1 player

after every lost game we have the same excuses 

shoulda coulda woulda , there was a new one this week 

"we should beat dallas"

why is Devin Hester here, I live in atl and they ran him out so why was harb wanting this guy and now we are stuck 

this is not a slight against the ST, but we just need to get back to playing good old fashion smash mouth football

Good - 1st QTR

Bad- coaches adjustment

Ugly - zuttah, Pitta , penalties blaming the officials 

really ugly - HESTER 

[VermontRaven]

1 minute ago, edthehead said:

I am of the few who thinks, we really have talent here,

I bleed purple so don't cut off my head, unless you want purple blood everywhere 

people do you think it's time for change,

I love the picks last draft and we do not know what the future holds

our coaches can not get it done with the players we have.

so we need an aggressive draft to get those or that 1 player

after every lost game we have the same excuses 

shoulda coulda woulda , there was a new one this week 

"we should beat dallas"

why is Devin Hester here, I live in atl and they ran him out so why was harb wanting this guy and now we are stuck 

this is not a slight against the ST, but we just need to get back to playing good old fashion smash mouth football

Good - 1st QTR

Bad- coaches adjustment

Ugly - zuttah, Pitta , penalties blaming the officials 

really ugly - HESTER 

I'm REALLY shocked he is still on the roster.  I guess nobody else is showing they are better in practice...which is a really scary thought.  I still think Camp will be activated soon and he will be gone.  Supposedly, Camp had other options, so I can't see him sticking around much longer on the Practice Squad.  Also-either before or after the Bengals game, someone I think is going to lose a roster spot to Boyle.

[ravens rule]

We are deadl last in offensive dvoa. We can't run the ball. Don't have a TE or a 3rd receiver. No identity through week 11. 

[hereweare]

38 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

lol..... Pitta has always caught a lot of his passes like this.  I don't think he falls after the catch, more like he slides down while catching. It does seem that it happens more often now though.  I think what's more of a bad sign is his complete failures at blocking. He never was a great blocker, but now he's just like a turnstile. 

Unless he has some sort of nick we don't know about it may be that Dennis will never be the same player he was.

unfortunately, I think it's the later. Always been a huge fan of Pitta, but how often does he outrun a LB up the seam...?  We need a TE.

Edited November 22, 2016 by hereweare

[rmcjacket23]

19 minutes ago, ravens rule said:

We are deadl last in offensive dvoa. We can't run the ball. Don't have a TE or a 3rd receiver. No identity through week 11. 

Our identity is play good defense and hope that the offense puts up enough points and effort to give our defense a breather. 

Pretty much a less-effective, not as good version of the 2015 Broncos.

[AsianRice]

10 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Ok so I've watched the game again, for the 3rd time. People calling it a "prevent D", it's not. However just like in the Pitt game Pees went into a version of a 2deep zone nickel. That pulls your LBs back and CBS now have sideline and deep responsibility. This leaves a lot of the underneath stuff wide open, along with giving Zeke room to run if he bounces it outside, which he did. A lot of people are defending Pees and that's fine. I'll even say the guy is really really good at gameplanning. Look at your typical 1st half defense since he's been here. Not many complaints. The problem is he's not very good at adjusting. The Cowboys, like Pitt saw what he was doing and adjusted around it. He changed to his usual, and they already planned for it. He tried throwing in some of years same things that worked in the 1st quarter, except they've already seen that, and hence it didn't work in the 3rd. This is why he was run out of NE. Do a google search for articles from Boston back when he was there. You'll see it's the same exact thing we've been saying here for years. 

 

As as far as people saying the offense only had 3 possessions in the second half so give them a break. Um, the Cowboys only had 3 possessions also. They went TD TD FG. We went Punt TD bye bye. 

My biggest problem is where was Perriman? Everyone boohooing about Jimmy being out, well they have their starting corner AND ss out and the 20th ranked secondary. Pitt got behind them and abused them. We had Wallace a few times and that's it. Most of SR stuff was short. You'd expect bombs away and let your big fast guys beat their pathetic secondary. Perriman and Waller were non existent. Why? 

great points.....I was screaming that why didn't we take advantage of their abysmal secondary? but instead they took advantage of our #1 CB out....

 

Dean Pees is absolutely not good at adjusting the flow of the game; when other team change their game plan, Pees will just stick to the same old game plan and refuse to adjust it.  He's just stubborn or clueless when his game plan was exposed....sometimes it's his personality and it's hard to change that......

 

 

[ravens rule]

17 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Our identity is play good defense and hope that the offense puts up enough points and effort to give our defense a breather. 

Pretty much a less-effective, not as good version of the 2015 Broncos.

I'm talking about offense and the broncos could run the ball at least. We do nothing well.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, ravens rule said:

I'm talking about offense and the broncos could run the ball at least. We do nothing well.

If you're talking about offensively, sure, we have no identity. Neither do a lot of teams.

Broncos didn't run the ball well last year either. 17th in yardage, 13th in YPC (4.2). Ironically, they're also as bad as Baltimore at running the football right now.

[Militant X 1]

23 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If you're talking about offensively, sure, we have no identity. Neither do a lot of teams.

Broncos didn't run the ball well last year either. 17th in yardage, 13th in YPC (4.2). Ironically, they're also as bad as Baltimore at running the football right now.

This is true but there are some teams that do...the Cowboys being one of them.  And, they seem to run their offense to perfection so to speak.  They know who they are and what they want to accomplishing in every game; run Zeke, chew the clock and control the time of possession.  I believe the stats from their games bear that out?

[Drew P]

Gillmore needs to suck it up and get his butt out there

[Tru11]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Our identity is play good defense and hope that the offense puts up enough points and effort to give our defense a breather. 

Pretty much a less-effective, not as good version of the 2015 Broncos.

pretty sad when majority of the cap is spend on the offense.....

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Tru11 said:

pretty sad when majority of the cap is spend on the offense.....

Well, Joe's cap hit obviously props that up. Anytime you have a team spending $22M on a single player, that side of the ball gets most of the attention in terms of cap spending.

We spent about $40M on offensive players not named Flacco. Not a single offensive player on the team has a cap hit of greater than $5M other than Joe.

[redrum52]

Anyone have the special teams stats?  Would like to know how that unit is doing as a whole.