Proposed NFL Changes (merged)

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Look Baseball hasn't changed ether. An home run back in old days is the same as now. You trot around the bases you greet 3rd base coach step on home plate and then you high 5 your team mates. I don't see any dances or celebrations in Baseball. Same with the NBA..You dunk the ball and then you hurry back on defense. 

NBA is a continuous game with little intermissions or breaks. That's probably a big part of it. 

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

NBA is a continuous game with little intermissions or breaks. That's probably a big part of it. 

NBA also has a lot of the same complaints. There's guys dabbing on a nightly basis after making a 3 pointer.

I don't think Steve watches the NBA or MLB.

[Tank 92]

Did anyone see the guard(Perrantes maybe?) with UVA sniff the back of his hand after draining a 3 pointer?  What was that?   lol

Edited March 29, 2016 by Tank 92

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

NBA also has a lot of the same complaints. There's guys dabbing on a nightly basis after making a 3 pointer.

I don't think Steve watches the NBA or MLB.

Yeah, that's true. 

Athletes in sports are celebrating a lot more lately. Part of the reason is that's what viewers want. It's all a part of the show, man. It's entertainment. These guys are very much entertainers. Ray Lewis made money off of entertaining people---oh, and being a freaking beast on the field! 

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You do realize that one of the most highly talked about topics in Baseball right now is excessive celebrations and emotional outbursts in the game?

It's a more popularand debated subject matter than the sport itself.

Its clear that he doesn't realize...

3 hours ago, Steve0x said:

No it isn't. They're there to play football. Not to entertain.  

Wait...what? Sports are entertainment. That's a fact.  You have posted some interesting things before, but that statement easily takes the cake.  Why do you even watch sports?

[Tank 92]

Whoa, Lighten up!

I think there are a couple of points buried in here somewhere. It seems that more and more a true TEAM sport is increasingly becoming more about individuals, and less about what the TEAM has accomplished. Also the entertainment value should be more about the quality of play, less about the individual "showmanship". 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Whoa, Lighten up!

I think there are a couple of points buried in here somewhere. It seems that more and more a true TEAM sport is increasingly becoming more about individuals, and less about what the TEAM has accomplished. Also the entertainment value should be more about the quality of play, less about the individual "showmanship". 

The individual aspect is just the way things are becoming in everything with social media and the easy access to everyone's personal life.  It should be focused on the quality of play, but celebrations don't exactly affect the play quality, if anything its a response to good play quality. 

[K-Dog]

Jumping into the stands brings the fans into the game. I think it's cool when players do that.

Giving a fan the ball is awesome too. Especially when it is kids. Watching the faces of those kids at the Panthers games was fantastic.  That is turning kids into fans. 

It's all great PR.

[usmccharles]

33 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Jumping into the stands brings the fans into the game. I think it's cool when players do that.

Giving a fan the ball is awesome too. Especially when it is kids. Watching the faces of those kids at the Panthers games was fantastic.  That is turning kids into fans. 

It's all great PR.

Yea, don't really see how anyone can actually argue against that. 

[K-Dog]

15 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, don't really see how anyone can actually argue against that. 

Just wait...

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, Steve0x said:

No it isn't. They're there to play football. Not to entertain.  

No.

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

The individual aspect is just the way things are becoming in everything with social media and the easy access to everyone's personal life.  It should be focused on the quality of play, but celebrations don't exactly affect the play quality, if anything its a response to good play quality. 

Maybe a part of it, but I think it's more an unintended consequence of fantasy. The focus on individual stats has brought more focus to the individual and more of the "celebration" of things that really don't need to be celebrated. It seems that every tackle, every catch, every first down now requires a "celebration".  lol  Get up, go back to the huddle and act like you've been there before. You don't need to celebrate every time you do your job. 

As Grim pointed out earlier, it's all about the context in which the celebrations occur. Great tackles for a loss, a first downs gained on fourth, sacks, TDs, etc. should be celebrated as accomplishments and those types of celebrations add to the excitement and entertainment value of the game. The rest of it is juvenile and boorish.

[usmccharles]

8 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Maybe a part of it, but I think it's more an unintended consequence of fantasy. The focus on individual stats has brought more focus to the individual and more of the "celebration" of things that really don't need to be celebrated. It seems that every tackle, every catch, every first down now requires a "celebration".  lol  Get up, go back to the huddle and act like you've been there before. You don't need to celebrate every time you do your job. 

As Grim pointed out earlier, it's all about the context in which the celebrations occur. Great tackles for a loss, a first downs gained on fourth, sacks, TDs, etc. should be celebrated as accomplishments and those types of celebrations add to the excitement and entertainment value of the game. The rest of it is juvenile and boorish.

I completely agree about the context being the important aspect, I don't really care to see a celebration for a first down 6minutes into the game.  But if its 4th and 29 and its to keep the drive alive for a comeback win,,,by all means.  But the initial argument of banning the Lambeau leap I found very extreme

Edited March 29, 2016 by usmccharles

[Steve0x]

Well if i was the commish id would start fining players who do lambeau leap or give fans the ball after a TD.  

[Steve0x]

Let me give you another example. Look what O's management did eliminating the pie in the face celebration. What you fans think about that one? So thats justified right?

[rmcjacket23]

27 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Well if i was the commish id would start fining players who do lambeau leap or give fans the ball after a TD.  

And then the owners would fire you for being that stupid.

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Let me give you another example. Look what O's management did eliminating the pie in the face celebration. What you fans think about that one? So thats justified right?

1. Not even occurring during an actual game. Its done in the postgame when the other team is off the field.

2. Practically nobody outside of Orioles fans even knows we were doing that. Its not something that's even shown nationally. Its just something MASN really enjoys doing.

[berad]

27 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Well if i was the commish id would start fining players who do lambeau leap or give fans the ball after a TD.  

That would only lead to a bunch of anti-NFL/Goodell stories and sentiment.

Who does gifting a fan a ball or jumping into the stands for a few seconds hurt? Integrity of the game? Not quite, those are memorable moments and add to fan experience - it's an entertainment business, after all. The athletics and competition alone don't equate to $12-13 billion the NFL makes in revenue.

 

[Steve0x]

You're there to play football. Not to jump into stands or give footballs away. Now what if Tiger Woods gave his balls away how you think PGA officials would feel? Or of Andre Agassi toss tennis balls to fans how you think the USTA would feel? 

[K-Dog]

24 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

You're there to play football. Not to jump into stands or give footballs away. Now what if Tiger Woods gave his balls away how you think PGA officials would feel? Or of Andre Agassi toss tennis balls to fans how you think the USTA would feel? 

Unlike you I don't think they should, nor would care one single bit. 

[Tank 92]

8 hours ago, Steve0x said:

You're there to play football. Not to jump into stands or give footballs away. Now what if Tiger Woods gave his balls away how you think PGA officials would feel? Or of Andre Agassi toss tennis balls to fans how you think the USTA would feel? 

Tiger and all pro golfers regularly give away autographed balls, gloves, etc. to young fans in the galleries. I'm guessing the PGA loves it, and pretty sure that they encourage it. Ever watched the ladies tournament where every winner jumps into the lake at the 18th green?

Don't watch a lot of tennis but what I have seen is players banging bunches of balls into the stands after a match. Granted, this generally happens after play has completed, but it is SOP. 

[usmccharles]

17 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Well if i was the commish id would start fining players who do lambeau leap or give fans the ball after a TD.  

 

9 hours ago, Steve0x said:

You're there to play football. Not to jump into stands or give footballs away. Now what if Tiger Woods gave his balls away how you think PGA officials would feel? Or of Andre Agassi toss tennis balls to fans how you think the USTA would feel? 

You sound really fun to hang out with....really fun. 

When players give fans shoes, jerseys, balls, etc...it brings the fan closer to the game instead of watching from a distance.  You tried to make a point using Tiger, which actually proves the point against your view considering he does that all the time.  How do you come up with this stuff. 

Edited March 30, 2016 by usmccharles

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

 

You sound really fun to hang out with....really fun. 

When players give fans shoes, jerseys, balls, etc...it brings the fan closer to the game instead of watching from a distance.  You tried to make a point using Tiger, which actually proves the point against your view considering he does that all the time.  How do you come up with this stuff. 

shoe?  no thanks!   lol

[usmccharles]

Just now, Tank 92 said:

shoe?  no thanks!   lol

haha, soccer fans....

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

shoe?  no thanks!   lol

 

if kobe gives you his shoes this season , you will end up a rich man lol

[Tank 92]

31 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

 

if kobe gives you his shoes this season , you will end up a rich man lol

into a zip loc and onto ebay!  

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, Steve0x said:

You're there to play football. Not to jump into stands or give footballs away. Now what if Tiger Woods gave his balls away how you think PGA officials would feel? Or of Andre Agassi toss tennis balls to fans how you think the USTA would feel? 

I think they'd feel great. In particular, Golf is a sport that is slowly dying due to a completely lack of interest from young fans. Guess what would bring young fans around?

More positive interaction with the athletes.

I'm legitimately starting to wonder if you actually even watch sports at all, because a lot of the things you are saying athletes don't do they do on a daily basis in their sport. And its even right there on the TV for you to see.

I would strongly recommend you start watching some of these sports before you blindly make false accusations about what their athletes are doing.

[ludy51]

I only have an issue with celebrations if the player makes it abou themselves. (doesn't count if fans are included)

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, ludy51 said:

I only have an issue with celebrations if the player makes it abou themselves. (doesn't count if fans are included)

Well, realistically, it should be about them or their team, since them are the one's who did something worth celebrating.

The fans didn't really do anything.

[Tank 92]

8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I think they'd feel great. In particular, Golf is a sport that is slowly dying due to a completely lack of interest from young fans. Guess what would bring young fans around?

More positive interaction with the athletes.

You must be thinking about Maryland horse racing.  lol  Golf is thriving and has an unprecedented number of young fans. The First Tee program has exposed thousands of kids to the game that otherwise would never have touched a club. Young phenoms like Rickie Fowler and Jordan Speith are imitated and admired. While the economy has forced some sponsors out of the game, others have picked up the slack and are making long term commitments. Golf is headed north, not south.