Proposed NFL Changes (merged)

[Steve0x]

The Kansas City Chiefs have proposed a rule change for the 2016 NFL season where any quarterback who gives himself up and falls to the ground is considered down and cannot get back up and throw a forward pass. This obviously brings up a painful memory for Steelers fans.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-opinions-reactions-news-updates/2016/3/20/11268128/proposed-nfl-rule-change-for-quarterbacks-going-to-the-ground-still

I like this rule. Flacco doesn't do this. And besides i like the see play clock back to 30 seconds. You cant start clock unit the ball and the Yard markers are set.   

[Tank 92]

eh, Peyton didn't go down on purpose or give himself up, he lost his wheels eluding the defender.

[Steve0x]

But now if you go down like that you're down even you didn't get touched.

[K-Dog]

I actually am for that rule change.

Here is a list of all ( ? ) the proposed rule changes....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645284/article/2016-playing-rules-proposals

[Tank 92]

The way this is proposed doesn't make sense. The QB can't fall down, get  up and throw a pass, but he can get up and run, or he can lateral to a team mate. huh? How does that protect anybody?  Just touch him down like any other player with the ball. Or play it like college, if you fall down you are down.

Effect: Quarterbacks are prohibited from falling to the ground, getting up, and throwing a forward pass.

Reason: When defenders see a Quarterback lying on the ground, there is a natural instinct to "let up," particularly in light of recent player safety points of emphasis. The Quarterback is incentivized to "play dead" without officially giving himself up, which puts the defenders in a precarious position. Sometimes simply touching the player down isn't an option, as the defender needs to get to the Quarterback quickly. That situation leads to player safety issues. If the Quarterback knows he can't throw a forward pass after being in that situation (i.e., on the ground while possessing the ball), then he can stay on the ground long enough to have the play be blown dead. If he chooses to get up, he can always run with it (or even lateral to another player who can pass the ball.  

[Steve0x]

I agree with Tank here. Once your knee is down your down no matter if you're touched or not. That includes backs and recivers too just like in college.  

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

I agree with Tank here. Once your knee is down your down no matter if you're touched or not. That includes backs and recivers too just like in college.  

I would not agree to the rule including  backs and receivers. 

[JO_75]

2 hours ago, K-Dog said:

I actually am for that rule change.

Here is a list of all ( ? ) the proposed rule changes....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645284/article/2016-playing-rules-proposals

I agree with it too, if your down, your down. I hope they take away the ability to get up and run with it. Talk about player safety... I mean imagine falling down then running with the ball and he gets hit or maybe he tears his ACL running with the ball and going down with no contact. You fall down, your down plain and simple. Some of those rules I'm ok with if they pass but if number one on that list passes, then returns become more dead than they already have become.

[Steve0x]

JO_75 those are basic rules to football. College and High School play that rule when your knee is down you're down.

[Tank 92]

6 hours ago, JO_75 said:

I agree with it too, if your down, your down. I hope they take away the ability to get up and run with it. Talk about player safety... I mean imagine falling down then running with the ball and he gets hit or maybe he tears his ACL running with the ball and going down with no contact. You fall down, your down plain and simple. Some of those rules I'm ok with if they pass but if number one on that list passes, then returns become more dead than they already have become.

Doesn't #1 permanentely move the extra point to the 15?

[BmoreBird22]

Number two would be a big boost for the Ravens since Pees sits in the booth. It may cut down on communication issues and effectively allow him to talk on the sideline.

[TDubbs]

"16. By Competition Committee; Expands the horse collar rule to include when a defender grabs the jersey at the name plate or above and pulls a runner toward the ground." 

It's a small amendment but I can think of a bunch of plays over the years where a guy was effectively horse collared, but the hand didn't quite get inside the back of the pads. I hate seeing horse collars and anything to prevent them, or at least penalize for the attempt is a good change. 

Edited March 21, 2016 by TDubbs

[JO_75]

One rule that would have benefited the Bengals and hurt the Steelers is the new rule that applies with the crown of the helmet.

 

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Specifically, the new interpretation eliminates the requirement that a defender would have to “line up” his opponent in order for a hit with the crown of the helmet to be a penalty. Starting this season, when a defender lowers his head and forcibly hits with the crown of the helmet, it will be a foul, regardless of the angle the player takes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/21/ryan-shaziers-hit-in-playoffs-will-now-be-a-penalty/

[Steve0x]

22 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Doesn't #1 permanentely move the extra point to the 15?

I want to see that rule changed. Extra point on 5 yard line. If you go for 2 ball on 3 yard line. Or you must drop kick the extra point no ball holder. Heres how you must kick the extra point try 

 

[Willbacker]

On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 9:25 AM, TDubbs said:

"16. By Competition Committee; Expands the horse collar rule to include when a defender grabs the jersey at the name plate or above and pulls a runner toward the ground." 

It's a small amendment but I can think of a bunch of plays over the years where a guy was effectively horse collared, but the hand didn't quite get inside the back of the pads. I hate seeing horse collars and anything to prevent them, or at least penalize for the attempt is a good change. 

I wonder if they're gonna fix that rule where you can horsecoller a QB while he's in the pocket.

[Steve0x]

Heres a rule i favor. Thats for players to stop jumping into stands after touchdown or even giving fans the football after they score a TD. If players do so its a 15 yard penalty for excessive celebration on the kickoff. Players to stop leaping to fans like Packers do and giving footballs to fans like Panthers players do. And also move kickoff back to 35 yard line 

Edited March 27, 2016 by Steve0x

[K-Dog]

7 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Heres a rule i favor. Thats for players to stop jumping into stands after touchdown or even giving fans the football after they score a TD. If players do so its a 15 yard penalty for excessive celebration on the kickoff. Players to stop leaping to fans like Packers do and giving footballs to fans like Panthers players do. 

Why ?

[JO_75]

8 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Heres a rule i favor. Thats for players to stop jumping into stands after touchdown or even giving fans the football after they score a TD. If players do so its a 15 yard penalty for excessive celebration on the kickoff. Players to stop leaping to fans like Packers do and giving footballs to fans like Panthers players do. And also move kickoff back to 35 yard line 

You must work for the No Fun League. There is a reason it's called the No Fun League by fans. Why you would want the NFL to become so corporate and filled with a bunch of glorified Yes men is crazy. The NFL needs a commish that can make the NFL fun again, not another Roger Goodell type. One that will allow the fun back in the NFL. Then again since the Owners are also to blame as they vote on rules, need new owners who are more in touch with what NFL fans really want.

[Steve0x]

Look in the old days when real men were true professonals. They didn't celebrate in the end zone by doing these stupid dances. Look how they scored a TD the right way. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yoXZh3hpYc

 

See how John Mackey went into the end zone? He didn't celebrate it . He left to ball there and go back to the bench 

Edited March 28, 2016 by Steve0x

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Look in the old days when real men were true professonals. They didn't celebrate in the end zone by doing these stupid dances. Look how they scored a TD the right way. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yoXZh3hpYc

 

See how John Mackey went into the end zone? He didn't celebrate it . He left to ball there and go back to the bench 

You sound like one of those old baseball fans that never want things to change.  You have to look at how the world is, what you want just isn't feasible with the way kids grow up these days.  Football is entertainment, let it be that. 

[K-Dog]

That doesn't answer why you want the rule change .

[GrimCoconut]

8 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Look in the old days when real men were true professonals. They didn't celebrate in the end zone by doing these stupid dances. Look how they scored a TD the right way. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yoXZh3hpYc

 

See how John Mackey went into the end zone? He didn't celebrate it . He left to ball there and go back to the bench 

Get off my lawn!!!

Edited March 28, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[ALI624]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Get off my lawn!!!

Fixed it for you. lol.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Fixed it for you. lol.

Lol yeah. I actually came here to fix it because I posted it while I was still trying to awaken. Feeling groggy lol. 

[52520Andrew]

The point of the game is to be entertained and have fun. Older players not doing TD celebrations is the only reason I hear that people don't like them. I'd rather they don't bring the game to a complete stop but for the most part they are fun and creative. 

Edited March 28, 2016 by 52520Andrew

[Tank 92]

Celebrations with fans and TD dances are cool, I like. But a lot of the "celebrations" now are nothing more than "hey look at me I got a first down and ain't I sumthin".  That stuff, for me, is jive at best and a bore. 

Edited March 28, 2016 by Tank 92

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Celebrations with fans and TD dances are cool, I like. But a lot of the "celebrations" now are nothing more than "hey look at me I got a first down and ain't I sumthin".  That stuff, for me, is jive at best and a bore. 

Big hits, sacks, TDs, interceptions, fumbles, and big plays deserve celebrations, but making a tackle is hardly a reason to celebrate. That's called doing your job. Some celebrations are dumb. I mean, it's all context anyway. If you're marching down the field, down to less than 2-minutes, and you're driving trying to go for the game-winning TD (whether you're behind or ahead) and get the first down, that's a reason to celebrate, too. Converting 4th downs are hard, so that's a reason to celebrate as well. 

It's all context for me. 

[Steve0x]

Look Baseball hasn't changed ether. An home run back in old days is the same as now. You trot around the bases you greet 3rd base coach step on home plate and then you high 5 your team mates. I don't see any dances or celebrations in Baseball. Same with the NBA..You dunk the ball and then you hurry back on defense. 

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Big hits, sacks, TDs, interceptions, fumbles, and big plays deserve celebrations, but making a tackle is hardly a reason to celebrate. That's called doing your job. Some celebrations are dumb. I mean, it's all context anyway. If you're marching down the field, down to less than 2-minutes, and you're driving trying to go for the game-winning TD (whether you're behind or ahead) and get the first down, that's a reason to celebrate, too. Converting 4th downs are hard, so that's a reason to celebrate as well. 

It's all context for me. 

prezactly

[rmcjacket23]

11 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Look Baseball hasn't changed ether. An home run back in old days is the same as now. You trot around the bases you greet 3rd base coach step on home plate and then you high 5 your team mates. I don't see any dances or celebrations in Baseball. Same with the NBA..You dunk the ball and then you hurry back on defense. 

You do realize that one of the most highly talked about topics in Baseball right now is excessive celebrations and emotional outbursts in the game?

It's a more popularand debated subject matter than the sport itself.