Defensive Line Issue 2017

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think they were talking about it as a league wide issue, not the Ravens only.

ok well yeah were all just misunderstanding each other then lol. obviously not all teams have it easy as us when it comes to stopping the run, its just insane that we never really have to worry about it, we field late rounders and PS promoted guys and camp cuts all the time and consistently stop the run with the best of them, and this year were absolutely dominating against the run, and so many other teams just get gashed so easily. this is why im saying a guy like williams will get a big offer on the market and we dont have to worry as much because history indicates that we'll most likely be just fine without him.

[allblackraven]

4 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Raiders have 42 mil in cap space Broncos have 38 mil. 

Broncos don't have a real quarterback though and Carr is meh, nothing special

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Broncos don't have a real quarterback though and Carr is meh, nothing special

Being serious?

[BmoreBird22]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ok well yeah were all just misunderstanding each other then lol. obviously not all teams have it easy as us when it comes to stopping the run, its just insane that we never really have to worry about it, we field late rounders and PS promoted guys and camp cuts all the time and consistently stop the run with the best of them, and this year were absolutely dominating against the run, and so many other teams just get gashed so easily. this is why im saying a guy like williams will get a big offer on the market and we dont have to worry as much because history indicates that we'll most likely be just fine without him.

I'd prefer to retain Williams, but if he started approaching Damon Harrison money, I'd bow out. 

Now, for Pot-roast money, I'd keep him.

[rmcjacket23]

6 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Broncos don't have a real quarterback though and Carr is meh, nothing special

Rock solid candidate for MVP at the moment (though he won't win).

Will be getting a big, big, big payday in the offseason. 

[Cillmatic]

7 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Broncos don't have a real quarterback though and Carr is meh, nothing special

Carr's actually pretty good.

[52520Andrew]

On 11/17/2016 at 5:18 PM, rmw10 said:

I don't think it's as easy to find a quality run defender as you think it is.

Yeah I think it isn't hard to find someone who can defend the run decently but finding someone who can do as well as Williams is no easy task. Him and Pierce on the same line really takes our run defense to the next level and gives everyone behind them a much easier job against the run. That in turn allows us to focus more on coverage on the back end instead of having to keep our safeties up all the time. 

[RavensFanMania]

On 11/18/2016 at 0:37 PM, terrynjulia03 said:

Ok so I did a bit of research in relation to BWill and FA. The current teams that run a 3-4 are Cleve, Buff, SD,GB, AZ, Indy, KC, Jets, Niners, Pitt, Houston, Den, Chi, Oak and Tenn. 

Of those teams only Buff, SD, AZ, KC, Houston, Den, and Oak have DTs in FA this offseason. The only starters are SD, KC, Houston, Den and Oak. So that's only 5 teams that potentially need a NT. You can wipe SD off the list as Lissmore isn't even on their roster, or may be IRd doesn't say. AZ has Ruckers, who plays a role similar to Jerrigan for them but Peters is their starting NT so more than likely no interest there. Houston has Willfork, who is prob gone but they just drafted the kid from Clemson who has been splitting snaps, you'd imagine they'll use the money elsewhere and go with their draft pick moving forward. 

Which leaves only KC, Oak and Denver as potential suitors. KC has Poe with 39 tackles 1 sack and 1 FF. AND they drafted him pretty high. Oak has McGee with 14 tackles, 2.5 sacks and 2 FF. He's only making 500k so maybe a diamond in the rough dude or they got him off someone else's PS. Than you have Den with Williams 20 tackles 1 sack whom they also drafted pretty high given his 1.8M salary this year. 

Conversely BWill has 23 tackles and 1 sack. Basically the point is, the "open market" isn't going to go crazy. I'm betting he stays on a pretty cap friendly contract. None of those teams have crazy cap space and need a upgrade, they'll be bargaining just to keep their own player. 

Skins run a 3-4 as well and feel BWill could end there. 

[RavensFanMania]

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Carr's actually pretty good.

He can't be extended until after his 3rd season.  This is his 2nd season. He won't be extended until the end of 2017.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

8 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

He can't be extended until after his 3rd season.  This is his 2nd season. He won't be extended until the end of 2017.

Third. This is Carr's third season

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Third. This is Carr's third season

oh yeah, he was drafted in 2014.  Thanks for clarifying.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, RavensFanMania said:

oh yeah, he was drafted in 2014.  Thanks for clarifying.

Lost in Ravens Fan Mania ftw

[allblackraven]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Being serious?

Yes, I don't like him much

[RavensFanMania]

52 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Lost in Ravens Fan Mania ftw

lol, too say the least.  I think that is Wizard's name for us.

Edited November 19, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[terrynjulia03]

11 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

Skins run a 3-4 as well and feel BWill could end there. 

Meh they just signed Hood last year and he has another year left. Taking the cap hit of releasing him on top of having to pay BWill, just not gonna happen. But good catch I didn't even check the Skins roster, always thought they ran a 4-3. Lol

[JoeyFlex5]

11 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

Skins run a 3-4 as well and feel BWill could end there. 

been calling that one since we started making peace with the fact that hes probably gone.

[allblackraven]

30 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

been calling that one since we started making peace with the fact that hes probably gone.

Who exactly started making peace with his exit?

[ALPHA]

32 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Who exactly started making peace with his exit?

It's widely assumed that he's going to be overpriced, we're talking Damon Harrison type money.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Who exactly started making peace with his exit?

ok, since i made peace, lol. plenty have as well, its all about how you view him and his value. 

i dont think hes gonna be in our price range, we'll let him test the market, he'll talk to ozzie and see if they can work something out, ozzie will give him a competitive offer but he will get a bigger offer elsewhere. 

as ive said, stuffing the run is one area we are not worried about, williams can walk and we still probably have the best run D in the league, but if we re-sign him for big money, then our pass rush wont be improving any, and will strap us for future cash to work on that nonexistent pass rush.

[rafahash]

B-Will is most likely gone, but it's gonna take some time until I can make peace with his exit. I love the guy.

[terrynjulia03]

I took a look, all the teams mentioned, along with the redskins are in the bottom 10 of run D. So maybe KC dies decide to pay BWill instead of Poe or Denver instead of Williams. Or the Skins, or even the Niners who are dead last in run D, except they just paid Buckner 4 for 18. I'm still not sold on a team saying pay the guy top 5 money just to stop the run game. When that completely changes your cap in regards to your line. Maybe I'm being optimistic but let's be honest. Look below and tell me a team would value BWill in the likes of some of the other big names. BTW Oak is out, they just paid Williams 4 for 25. And the majority of the below teams, are in the bottom chunk of run D. Teams are paying for a guy that can make havoc on the passing game, not the run game. I'm guessing the limit for BWill will be in that 4 for 25 range. Cheap cap hits next year so we can get Jerrigan resigned also, 2nd year decent, 3rd and 4th pushing it but structured so they can cut bait if needed without hurting too bad  

Recent contracts. 2015

Darreaus Buffalo 6 for 96

McCoy TB 6 for 95

Liugent SD 5 for 51

Crawford Dallas 5 for 45

Williams Oak 4 for 25

 

2016

Cox Philly 6 for 102

Jackson Jax 6 for 85

HARRISON( since he keeps getting brought up) 5 for 46

Brochess LA 3 for 33

Buckner SF 4 for 18. 

[Tank 92]

If you think Williams' only contribution is "stuffing the run" you are sadly mistaken.  He constantly eats up blockers and makes others around him better players with his dominating play. Pray we find a way to keep him because we don't have another like him on the roster.

[ALPHA]

On 21/11/2016 at 3:15 AM, Tank 92 said:

If you think Williams' only contribution is "stuffing the run" you are sadly mistaken.  He constantly eats up blockers and makes others around him better players with his dominating play. Pray we find a way to keep him because we don't have another like him on the roster.

People said the same thing about Ngata but it turns out we made the right choice by moving him when we did, we had a strong run D before and after Ngata and the same will be true of Williams.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

People said the same thing about Ngata but it turns out we made the right choice by moving him when we did, we had a strong run D before and after Ngata and the same will be true of Williams.

Exactly. Our defense, at most, will take a SMALL step back without williams. but taking that SMALL step back leaves room for improvement in many areas where we desperately need it.

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, ALPHA said:

People said the same thing about Ngata but it turns out we made the right choice by moving him when we did, we had a strong run D before and after Ngata and the same will be true of Williams.

Not even close to being the same. We had B. Will and Detroit paid Haloti more than he was worth to us at that point of his career.

We paid Ngata after his rookie contract and he played here 9 seasons.  As long as the money doesn't get too stupid look for Williams to be here for at least 9 years as well.  

It may very well be that we lose him, but I'm afraid that the impact would be more than just a "small step back" because right now we don't have anyone close to being comparable on the roster.

[Somerset Ravens]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Exactly. Our defense, at most, will take a SMALL step back without williams. but taking that SMALL step back leaves room for improvement in many areas where we desperately need it.

I think Williams has more value to our team than you give him credit for. One of our strengths is stopping the run and losing Williams will hurt us in that area. I feel he is worth at least 28m for four years. If he can get a crazy offer like KO then we will lose him. Williams is entering his prime playing years. Williams has shown his value, he is a sure thing. You know what they say about a bird in hand ( no pun intended) .  I don't see how creating one hole to fill another helps us.

 

 

[ALPHA]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

Not even close to being the same. We had B. Will and Detroit paid Haloti more than he was worth to us at that point of his career.

We paid Ngata after his rookie contract and he played here 9 seasons.  As long as the money doesn't get too stupid look for Williams to be here for at least 9 years as well.  

It may very well be that we lose him, but I'm afraid that the impact would be more than just a "small step back" because right now we don't have anyone close to being comparable on the roster.

Maybe last year we didnt, but we have Pierce now and hes obviously the next man up in the middle if Williams walks.

[Tank 92]

9 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Maybe last year we didnt, but we have Pierce now and hes obviously the next man up in the middle if Williams walks.

Yes, he may be.  But Pierce is not Williams. And if I'm not mistaken most of Pierce's snaps have been next to Brandon which is a big part of why he has had some success.