Path to the playoffs.

[JoeyFlex5]

Doesn't division record come before H2H?

[VermontRaven]

49 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Doesn't division record come before H2H?

No

1) head to head

2) division record

3) record in common games

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Interesting that we have the best divisional record in the entire NFL. I think there's two teams that are 3-0 in division (Houston and maybe KC, I think?) but we're the only 4-0 team. 

Helps to have the Browns and a down year overall in the AFCN... but still pretty cool. 

We also have tied for 3rd best conference record in the NFL at 6-2.

Pats are 7-1 and Oakland is 6-1 I believe. 

So... if and I do mean a big IF... we can win at least 3 out of 5 and some of the other non-division leaders drop some games (Miami which we have a say in, Denver, KC, etc...) were actually in really good shape for tie breakers should Pitt somehow beat us for the division and we end up tied at 9-7 or 10-6 in the wild card. 

Obviously winning the AFCN is the way to go. Control our own destiny. 

But if we were to end up losing 2 games with 1 to the Eagles and maybe to Pitt and they win out or something crazy - we could have a legit shot at a wildcard. KC and or Denver would have to drop 3 though. 

[VermontRaven]

19 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Interesting that we have the best divisional record in the entire NFL. I think there's two teams that are 3-0 in division (Houston and maybe KC, I think?) but we're the only 4-0 team. 

Helps to have the Browns and a down year overall in the AFCN... but still pretty cool. 

We also have tied for 3rd best conference record in the NFL at 6-2.

Pats are 7-1 and Oakland is 6-1 I believe. 

So... if and I do mean a big IF... we can win at least 3 out of 5 and some of the other non-division leaders drop some games (Miami which we have a say in, Denver, KC, etc...) were actually in really good shape for tie breakers should Pitt somehow beat us for the division and we end up tied at 9-7 or 10-6 in the wild card. 

Obviously winning the AFCN is the way to go. Control our own destiny. 

But if we were to end up losing 2 games with 1 to the Eagles and maybe to Pitt and they win out or something crazy - we could have a legit shot at a wildcard. KC and or Denver would have to drop 3 though. 

It's possible we could squeeze in as a wildcard at 9-7, but I still think it is unlikely. Too many teams have a decent chance to go 10-6...KC, Denver, Miami, Buffalo are the biggest contenders with long shots of Chargers, Titans, and Colts

Now if we lose to Pitt as our only loss and go 10-6 (assuming Pitt wins out), I think we'd be in good shape for a wildcard.

[RavensDieHard21]

The most important games to win are actually going to be Dolphins, Steelers, and Cincy. If we can win those three and pitt at least drop one to the Giants, we have a shot. 

This Dolphins game cannot be understated as the most pivotal game of the season, maybe besides our showdown with Pitt. I am going out on a limb and saying we win vs Miami in a close game where Flacco sets us up with a win finally. (W 23-20) 

In NE, if Brady and Gronk continue to look banged up we have a shot. Their defense is overrated, but we need a viable offense that can score 20-24 points to win this. Most likely they will keep it close until the defense gets gassed. (L 27-19) 

Back at home against an Eagles team that boasts a great front 7, but a terrible secondary and shaky offense, the Ravens D makes big splash plays that allows us to win our last home game. ( W 20-13) 

This game is going to be the most unpredictable as Ben will be healthy as will AB and Bell. Their defense is still trash, but will Flacco feel the January magic coming? It makes me uneasy knowing we have a 4 game winning streak against them. I say a miracle happens and we win 26-24 at the buzzer. 

At this point we play a tough game against Cincy, but AJ Green toasts us and we lose 24-17, but it is all good as we win the tiebreaker with Pitt to make the playoffs as they lost to us and the Giants. 

[VermontRaven]

5 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

This Dolphins game cannot be understated as the most pivotal game of the season, maybe besides our showdown with Pitt. I am going out on a limb and saying we win vs Miami in a close game where Flacco sets us up with a win finally. (W 23-20) 

Yeah. This game is big!  Tough games left so dropping this one leaves almost 0 margin for error 

+

if we lose, any wild card chances are pretty much shot--wild cards would then most likely be 2 of 3 of KC, Miami, and Denver

[Filmstudy]

HI folks,

I know I'm jumping in late, but I'm got some charts and simplifying explanations posted here:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/11/28/filmstudy/ravens-steelers-tiebreakers-week-13/

The Cliff notes version is the Ravens could possibly lose the division tiebreaker to the Steelers, but they almost certainly won't tie the Steelers if they do so.

[January J]

15 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

No

1) head to head

2) division record

3) record in common games

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

I thought conference record was the third tiebreaker? Guess not..

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, January J said:

I thought conference record was the third tiebreaker? Guess not..

Nope... they go from least variables to most.

Head to head, there's no variables bc its team vs team. If you beat em twice youre better.

Then divison... well cuz they like to keep emphasis on winning within the division, plus you each play the same opponents twice within the division so in theory that would be more compelling evidence that you were better against those opponents than just someone you each played once in the last 4 years.

The common games.... well bc theyll each definitely be in common.

Then conference, because A) they still like to keep that delineation of the two separate leagues, and you play teams within your conference more frequently than  you do out of conference opponents... so those teams (even if not common) will have more likely played more teams that you each had in common as opponents.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, January J said:

I thought conference record was the third tiebreaker? Guess not..

Not for divisional tiebreakers. Common games is a better measurement because two divisional teams will have played 12 games that season against the same opponents, so its a better barometer than just conference games. You would only have 10 conference games to judge against in a divisional tiebreaker.

Conference record is used as a higher tiebreaker than common games for Wildcard tiebreakers, since there's a less likelihood of having sufficient common games to make a judgment AND all teams play the same amount of conference games. In fact, with Wildcard tiebreakers, you are required to have at least four common games in order to even use common games as a tiebreaker. 

 

Edited November 30, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Cillmatic]

18 minutes ago, Ravens419 said:

JIMMY SMITH IS PRACTICING EVERYONE I REPEAT HE IS ON THE PRACTIVE FIELD 

Half speed apparently. 

[Ravens4Real]

19 minutes ago, Ravens419 said:

JIMMY SMITH IS PRACTICING EVERYONE I REPEAT HE IS ON THE PRACTIVE FIELD 

Hensley said he did not look healthy while trying to just do simple running tasks. That isn't a good sign. Back issues can linger. Please do not rush him back and get him injured for Christmas Day against the Steelers. That will be worse case scenario.

[Ravens419]

24 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Half speed apparently. 

 

22 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Hensley said he did not look healthy while trying to just do simple running tasks. That isn't a good sign. Back issues can linger. Please do not rush him back and get him injured for Christmas Day against the Steelers. That will be worse case scenario.

Ahhh I looked it up prematurely and just saw he was on the field but a good sign none the less 

[Gtown Purple]

I don't see us beating NE so we basically have to win out otherwise...........unless Pit loses again but they have an easier schedule than us by far.

[rmcjacket23]

20 minutes ago, Gtown Purple said:

I don't see us beating NE so we basically have to win out otherwise...........unless Pit loses again but they have an easier schedule than us by far.

Pittsburgh isn't winning out. They aren't the kind of team that is capable of winning 5 straight games.

Wouldn't call their schedule easy either... still have to play Giants and Bills, who are both .500 or better caliber teams. They've got a tough 3-4 game stretch coming up.

[January J]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not for divisional tiebreakers. Common games is a better measurement because two divisional teams will have played 12 games that season against the same opponents, so its a better barometer than just conference games. You would only have 10 conference games to judge against in a divisional tiebreaker.

Conference record is used as a higher tiebreaker than common games for Wildcard tiebreakers, since there's a less likelihood of having sufficient common games to make a judgment AND all teams play the same amount of conference games. In fact, with Wildcard tiebreakers, you are required to have at least four common games in order to even use common games as a tiebreaker. 

 

Ahhh I see, thanks for clarifying- that's probably where I got mixed up then.

[TuckerTime9]

Patriots will be missing Gronk next monday when we take them on.... Suddenly this game feels awfully win-able with us getting Jimmy back on D + no gronk

[Ravens4Real]

12 minutes ago, TuckerTime9 said:

Patriots will be missing Gronk next monday when we take them on.... Suddenly this game feels awfully win-able with us getting Jimmy back on D + no gronk

I said in another thread, it's a help that gronk wont be there but they still have a ton of other weapons. Our problem isn't on the defensive side of the ball. It's our terrible O.

Ravens are also 2-3 on the road. Our two wins have come against the Browns (the game where it was 20-0 before they self imploded) and the lowly Jaguars, who also had a solid chance of beating us. We also lost to the Jets on the road and that's just plain ugly.

We are notoriously bad on the road. Although we play the Patriots tough usually, this game will still be a big hurdle to win in my book.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[kjbmore]

GRONK DONE FOR THE SEASON!!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000749361/article/rob-gronkowski-to-have-surgery-set-to-miss-rest-of-16

we can win the AFC - we just need our offense to pull its damn finger out!!

[JEEPercreepermd]

14 hours ago, kjbmore said:

GRONK DONE FOR THE SEASON!!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000749361/article/rob-gronkowski-to-have-surgery-set-to-miss-rest-of-16

we can win the AFC - we just need our offense to pull its damn finger out!!

They still have a girl named Brady back there at quarterback...and there's no telling what loop holes Belichick will try to jump through when we meet them in Foxboro. 

I just take a lot of pride in how scared they are of us up there. 

Edited December 2, 2016 by JEEPercreepermd

[JEEPercreepermd]

20 hours ago, TuckerTime9 said:

Patriots will be missing Gronk next monday when we take them on.... Suddenly this game feels awfully win-able with us getting Jimmy back on D + no gronk

If we could score more than 1 offensive touchdown per game, I'd agree with you. Really this whole thing is up to the offense.

 If they can somehow find a way to be productive, the Ravens can beat any team in the league. 

[kjbmore]

4 hours ago, JEEPercreepermd said:

They still have a girl named Brady back there at quarterback...and there's no telling what loop holes Belichick will try to jump through when we meet them in Foxboro. 

I just take a lot of pride in how scared they are of us up there. 

No doubt BUT all I'm seeing when I read that - is Gronk sitting up in Krafts suite looking down as we shut out Brady & Belichick in the second half in Foxborough to win the AFC Championship on our way to the Superbowl.

plus the pats defense has just sent out Collins n Jones.

Is our defense that good again? If Doom is back and can give us some pass rush and Jimmy can be healthy - maybe??

Can we get there, think that firmly rests on Joes shoulders, Marty and the Offense - really hope these guys are putting in work - AFC looks ripe for the picking in my eyes. 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2016 by kjbmore

[JoeyFlex5]

I wonder how much our fan base understands what the loss of Collins and Jones has done to the pats defense. Those are big losses. 

I also wonder if our fan base realizes how good of a matchup we have on defense vs the patriots. That dink and dunk stuff isn't gonna work against our defense if they're all healthy which they currently seem to be. Tavon young seems to be at his best defending the short passing game, if Jimmy is full strength then we can basically expect his side to be blanked in man coverage, our linebackers are playing stellar in coverage this year and the middle of the field will not be a gimme for them, we finally have smart safeties who can play with brady, the short passes will need to be lofted due to our length up front, and gronk was their only real deep threat. 

We really have a good squad for beating the patriots. I expect our defense to dominate them. I think 23 points could win that game. If we can score 2 td's instead of 1 then I think we win that game.

[edthehead]

what was Al Davis famous quote

     " Just win Baby "

miami is hot but that is a winnable game

NE , it will be a test but we are built for NE and Pitt

Pitt, either way

Philly win

cincy, if AJ Green is back I see a lost game , we struggled in our house and and they had a couple people not playing 

this is all up to the offense, they need to show and show out,

all these scenarios you all have are good but if Joe and company don't produce

these next couple weeks will tell us who we are,,, 

[Gtown Purple]

On 11/30/2016 at 4:42 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Pittsburgh isn't winning out. They aren't the kind of team that is capable of winning 5 straight games.

Wouldn't call their schedule easy either... still have to play Giants and Bills, who are both .500 or better caliber teams. They've got a tough 3-4 game stretch coming up.

Didn't say it was easy, just easier than ours.

 

Giants could do us a real favor but their offense is just as mediocre as ours at times.

[JoeyFlex5]

36 minutes ago, Gtown Purple said:

Didn't say it was easy, just easier than ours.

 

Giants could do us a real favor but their offense is just as mediocre as ours at times.

thats a   s  t  r  e  t  c  h   to say the least lol.

[K-Dog]

Simple reality is, we certainly can beat anyone and anyone can certainly can beat us.

If we can beat Pitt and NE in December, than I will feel quite optimistic in January.
Now February football is another story....  

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

16 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Simple reality is, we certainly can beat anyone and anyone can certainly can beat us.

If we can beat Pitt and NE in December, than I will feel quite optimistic in January.
Now February football is another story....  

 

We have a pretty good track record in our February games

 

[JoeyFlex5]

i think part of the reason for my extreme optimism is the attitude of the players recently. our guys are getting vocal about how they want things done, theyre telling the media some things that are really exciting to hear, it sounds like a fires being lit under them because they can feel the chemistry developing but theyre frustrated that its not coming together just yet. 

theres no doubting that we have improved on offense recently, when considering the opponents it seems we've been on a weekly uptick, its been slowly ramping up and the players are feeling it, so hearing them get behind the podium and say "we need to start putting the game away earlier" and "we need to be more aggressive" and things like that after seeing a gradual improvement, it makes me feel like we are due for an offensive breakout any week now. the confidence that would come from a well executed game could get this team riding high at the perfect time. 

now of course, it could all be that we've just performed slightly better because the OL is holding up better and the players are just running their mouths, but i prefer to think the team is feeling its stride coming and thats why theyre talking a big game.

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

We have a pretty good track record in our February games

 

Fact .