Is Juan Castillo helping our Blocking?

[FlocksGottaFeed]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

No no, I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, but absolutely not! In fact, you probably missed it, but just a few posts ago in this topic, I said the exact opposite. It absolutely is not on Castillo. Not at all!

Thank you. That's my only point here. We're not Dallas, but we're no scrubs either. Just about giving credit where credits due.

[flynismo]

9 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Thank you. That's my only point here. We're not Dallas, but we're no scrubs either. Just about giving credit where credits due.

Well, I wouldn't say we're scrubs, we are just inexperienced at two of the positions. and Zuttah is having a terribad year.

What I am saying is that the overall OL play has been very bad this year, but Castillo is not to blame for it. It's just due to lack of experience, and a vet playing poorly. And also, injuries, of course. There IS hope for this line, we just won't see the fruits of it this season.

Edited November 13, 2016 by flynismo

[FlocksGottaFeed]

2 minutes ago, The Raven said:

That's my point. Dolphins addressed their OL issues and are doing much better. We didn't do enough and now we're struggling. Castillo's not to blame. Ozzie is, or maybe Harbaugh.

Maybe you should take that to the 'Ozzie and Harbaugh Must Go Although We're Leading the Division Currently and Our Draft Picks, Free Agents, Un-drafted are All Contributing and Ranking Pretty High Based-on Where Some Pre-Season So-Called Experts Place Us ...' thread.

Or just make-up one. Just Copy and Paste.

[rmcjacket23]

5 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Based on your analysis, no one is accountable.

The FO supplied the players, the HC and FO made their cuts, and settled on the starters and backups, as Nfl caliber players able to get the job done. Even against the Browns, they were getting blown up with Stanley and Lewis in there. I did see a ton of missed blocking assignments Thurs night, even by the TE's.

Schemed up properly, would we be seeing the same issues? 

The Oline coaches are responsible for the Oline, bottom line, then the OC has to step in and make adjustments. 

Maybe it gets back to bringing in the right players, but there has to be Oline accountability here, because the rest of our season depends on it. The games are truly won or lost in the trenches.

 

Or here's a radical thought... when will fans start holding the PLAYERS accountable for literally anything?

You know... the PLAYERS? The people who are actually on the field playing football? How about those guys?

Na. That's not fun. Its much more fun for fans to want coaches to be held responsible and fire them instead. Nevermind the fact that none of these coaches are doing anything revolutionary out there. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

5 hours ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Speak for yourself fly. My I test tells me that the PFF assessment may not be the all-in-all barometer, but multiple Oline players having top 5 performance grades consistently throughout the season thus far says - we're not the scrubs that some are seeing in here.

Then where are the #11 ranked gaping holes opened for the backs? and why is the constant pressure Flacco sees causing picks? Is it Joe?

[FlocksGottaFeed]

21 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Then where are the #11 ranked gaping holes opened for the backs? and why is the constant pressure Flacco sees causing picks? Is it Joe?

See last half from the last game. It wasn't just the Oline playing better - it was the entire offense playing better together. Performance is looked at with a border lens. For example: Look at current Offensive Stats for the Ravens -

http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/statistics?team=BAL

We lead in nearly every offensive category (total offense, rushing yards, passing yards, time of possession, 1st downs, 3rd down conversions, etc.) against the average of all the teams played thus far. No, we're not a the top of the heap league-wide offensively, but have held court and beyond with everyone on our schedule thus far. That's important.

Our Oline (with injuries, position moves, scheme changes and new rule changes, etc.) have still contributed enough to win games and out-perform opponents.

If you want to discuss why per play 'gaping holes, etc.' happened (we must take it play by play not in board, undefinable, nonspecific theory) then I'll be more than ok and open to deconstruct each one with you. That would be cool. That's what is up.

Alright?

[Moderator 3]

47 minutes ago, The Raven said:

If you think we lead in nearly every offensive category, we need to start having literacy tests to join message boards. Either that or I want whatever drugs you're on.

Seriously, in the same thread, you posted a ranking list from last year and said it was for this year, and now you're telling us we're at the top of the offensive rankings, which is just an outright falsehood. Are you a troll or...?

He said

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We lead in nearly every offensive category (total offense, rushing yards, passing yards, time of possession, 1st downs, 3rd down conversions, etc.) against the average of all the teams played thus far. No, we're not a the top of the heap league-wide offensively, but have held court and beyond with everyone on our schedule thus far. That's important.

And he is correct.  We've been winning the stats game after game.  Before you challenge someone's literacy, you might want to make sure you're reading things carefully.

[The Raven]

6 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

He said

And he is correct.  We've been winning the stats game after game.  Before you challenge someone's literacy, you might want to make sure you're reading things carefully.

Okay, misread.

But by that same terrible logic, our 2000 offense must've been dynamite, because we led most categories that year, too. 

http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/statistics?season=2000&team=BAL&seasonType= 

Or maybe our defense is carrying more than its fair share 

[757RavensFan]

On 11/13/2016 at 3:22 PM, gtalk12 said:

Yea well we had KO and he got an offer from OAK that he could not refuse.....

 

 

KO and Stanley on one side would have been great 

I doubt they draft Stanley if KO would have stayed. 

[trevorsteadman]

I mean he could try help blocking but they may call a penalty for 11 and a half men on the field.

[trevorsteadman]

7 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

I doubt they draft Stanley if KO would have stayed. 

I have no doubt they would have drafted Stanley in the same situation even with KO here. Monroe was out the door anyway. KO was limited at LT we wouldn't want to go into a season for him being our LT. There was nobody else on the board worth drafting at that point either. 

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I have no doubt they would have drafted Stanley in the same situation even with KO here. Monroe was out the door anyway. KO was limited at LT we wouldn't want to go into a season for him being our LT. There was nobody else on the board worth drafting at that point either. 

Don't see a scenario where that happened. If we retained KO, we aren't paying him the kind of money we offered him or others offered him to play LG. He would be our LT going forward.

My guess is IF KO was retained, we likely would have pulled the trigger on moving up to get Ramsey, or possibly even traded back a few spots to take somebody else. You had guys like Leonard Floyd or even Hargreaves who I think the FO liked but didn't want to use that high of a pick on.

[jdynamite]

On 11/13/2016 at 1:10 PM, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

After further review,

Maybe it was not Trestman, but Castillo and the Oline blocking that truly has been hurting this offense.

What kind of accountability does Castillo get? A free pass?

Since he has gotten here, except for the Kubiak year post SB, I have seen nothing but sub par O line play - his area of responsibility.

Games are won in the trenches, and no matter who is calling plays, if the Blocking scheme is a fail, then the Offense will fail. 

Review the game tape, see for yourself. It does not all fall on him, but we saw marked improvement when Kubiak implemented his own version. Thoughts?

Yep in the offseason, I went back to one of those old J.Castillo threads to point out how the oline regressed right back after Kubiaks departure since so many on here was saying it was Juan Castillo having more time and teaching up Wagner and others that lead to their improved play that season  

Now this season has been crazy in terms of oline injuries and the random combinations put together so for me he gets a pass this season.. 

 

[The Raven]

Here's a fascinating article (to me at least) detailing how quarterbacks can get themselves sacked. Thought I'd share it in an OL-oritented thread for informational purposes. http://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/18/13676686/nfl-quarterback-sacks-offensive-linemen-pass-blocking

A lot of people tend to put all the blame on linemen, but there are many situations in which quarterbacks can be responsible. When OL get into their kickslide, the goal is to get back to a certain point where they anchor, based on the QB's drop and protection call. Sometimes, a QB misses their point, and the OL get the blame.

This can also happen in the run game, where running backs, well, run the wrong way. They'll hit the C instead of the B. They'll bounce it outside when the line is expecting it inside. 

[rafahash]

No.