[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Cleveland Browns

[sizzlingdoom]

Next up, best RunD vs the best Oline and RB. I believe they say something's got to give. That statement could'be been said before the Pittsburgh game and we saw what happened there. This time, we're on the road vs a team with a very good and mobile qb. Love the Jimmy Dez matchup. Getting Lewis and Gilmore would be huge for our trenches. But the biggest difference heading into that game is something I was extremely worried about before the year started. Those worries have been alleviated by Big Mr. Pierce. Aside from BWILL, we didn't have another dominant run stuffer at all. WHAT a FIND. Lining up Jerny, BWILL, and Pierce next to eachother on running downs is an absolute thing of beauty. They allow Orr and Mosely to run free as they should. Bal vs Dallas is gonna be a hell of a game. I know who I think is gonna win. I just don't want any national or media love until Feburary. Really. The ravens would love to be the underdogs every single game.

[billiejean]

44 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

Kyle along can't even get out of his stance up in Minnesota. It was fortunate that we didn't sign him.

I really think it is the O line coaching that is screwing up the offense. Every season that Castillo has been in charge we have faired poorly and the line has looked terrible.

Alex Lewis is a diamond from the rough, so is Judson, so is Pierce, so was Tucker, Will Lutz looks like a nice Tucker copy with almost but not quite as strong a leg, so I think you are off base in this department.

Can't you enjoy the win and see if they can build off this? Last year the defense improved in the second half of the season so if they can continue to do that again this year, look out.

the offensive line coach is probably the coach that has the least impact on player performance.  I can guarantee you that every person on the offensive line knows their assignment and knows the proper technique to execute said assignment.  They just get beat sometimes and it happens every game except maybe to Yanda but its like CB Jimmy has played lights out this season but he still get chastised on this site.  People have to realize that 
CBs are going to give up some yardage.  Its just the nature of the game. Its completely inaccurate to say that "Every season that Castillo has been in charge we have faired poorly".  I woud tell you to go back and look at the last two years and look at how many back ups have had to start games.  James Hurst knows who he is supposed to block and how he is supposed to make the block but he just doesn't have the physical attributes to succeed.  This is the same case with John Urchel.  He can win the nobel prize for mathmatics but he will still be weak at the point of a attack and get pushed back a lot and in some instances just act as a turnstile ushering defenders to sacks and tackles for losses.  

[The Greek]

  52 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Dak meet Dan Pees.

Not sure who Dan Pees is, but he will most certainly meet Dean Pees

hehehehe

[Militant X 1]

40 minutes ago, ravenwildman said:

I heard B.J. on Ravens extra say "yeah, but it was the Browns".....and? The score was 28-7 not a 2 point squeaker. I think the Ravens beat them as they should have. The Defense is playing lights out! Awsome! The first half offense I found myself groaning "here we go again!". But in the second half, somebody must have doused them with coffee or something because they suddenly came alive Seeing that......yeah this team has the potential to beat anyone out there. O-line injuries are a bit of a concern, hope they can work around them until guys get healthy. Good win! GO RAVENS! CB 25

He did!  But we both know what he meant by that...don't we? 

[The Greek]

grateful as always for any win we get. offense needs to get to a quicker start and stanley was abused by collins which worries me moving forward. he seems a step or 2 too slow. o-line must do a better job handling blitzes on 3rd downs

[billiejean]

Just now, billiejean said:

the offensive line coach is probably the coach that has the least impact on player performance.  I can guarantee you that every person on the offensive line knows their assignment and knows the proper technique to execute said assignment.  They just get beat sometimes and it happens every game except maybe to Yanda but its like CB Jimmy has played lights out this season but he still get chastised on this site.  People have to realize that 
CBs are going to give up some yardage.  Its just the nature of the game. Its completely inaccurate to say that "Every season that Castillo has been in charge we have faired poorly".  I woud tell you to go back and look at the last two years and look at how many back ups have had to start games.  James Hurst knows who he is supposed to block and how he is supposed to make the block but he just doesn't have the physical attributes to succeed.  This is the same case with John Urchel.  He can win the nobel prize for mathmatics but he will still be weak at the point of a attack and get pushed back a lot and in some instances just act as a turnstile ushering defenders to sacks and tackles for losses.  

Pierce really is impressive isn't he.  He is just as successful against the run as he is against the pass which is unusual for a guy his size.  In B Wills first two seasons inthe league he had 1.5 sacks.  Pierce already has two.  I cant confirm this because I dont pay for PFF but i am pretty sure he has had a good number of qb hurries and hits as well.

[bosso_fataka]

Certainly was a breath of fresh air seeing that second half, how they (and my mood) needed that. In the first, Joe Cool looked like a broken man almost and I was worried for real, not only about this season. Such a relief. And the D just keeps playing great week after week!

[steelcityraven]

Again.... I said it last week and I will say it again. Congrats to Dean Pees who had the defense playing great. I have been very outspoken against Pees and his Defensive philosophy but I will give credit where it is due. Dean did a remarkable job over the past two weeks and I am not sure what the difference is (Tavon Young?) but I am sure that something is clicking. Lets hope he can keep it rolling vs the Cowgirls.

[Bat-mite]

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  1 hour ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

My 3 thoughts...

1. It's about time the offense decided to join the party
2. This defense is scary good...championship level good
3. Tavon Young is the real deal (he completely erased Corey Coleman)

Great points. Agree 1000%. This team is SOOOO different with Wright out and Tavon at the # 2 corner. Tavon and Pierce are 2 massive surprising difference makers for this team! We are Nasty! Dixon and Perriman joining the party changes the O big time as well

AGREED!!!!

An I allowed to do a +2, or is that too AOL? :)

[Bat-mite]

So, let me ask everyone for his/her honest opinion, not just a fanboy/girl opinion :)

Was the Perriman touchdown legit?

[sizzlingdoom]

So, let me ask everyone for his/her honest opinion, not just a fanboy/girl opinion :)

Was the Perriman touchdown legit?

Yes. Very. Amazing adjustment and snag. Flacco underthrew him again. Hit the ground barely but it was in his arms at the time. If it was called incomplete, it might've stood that way. But it was legit and a great catch

[Minionhunter]

So, let me ask everyone for his/her honest opinion, not just a fanboy/girl opinion :)

Was the Perriman touchdown legit?

Yes because of the rules regarding replay and determination of a catch. If it was called incomplete on the field it would have also been ruled incomplete by replay. It is currently very difficult to overturn the field call on catches/non-catches by replay with the rules put in place this past off season.

[cushrinada1986]

Dont forget about Pierce, if someone catches that knocked ball, we're talking 35-7 instead. Pierce may end up being the back up option in the event Williams walks for big $$$. Young has been a revelation at starting CB, this may also allow the ravens to reconsider some of the depth options they have going into next season. Wright have been good at times but I feel young may end up showing more consistency. And how about Waller showing he can be that redzone target when you give him the investment. Waller I can see being a great option in the post Pita era. And Matt Judon is jonny on the spot again with the fum rec. Something tells me another year and another good LB draft and we could have a solid post Suggs \Doom era set of LB. Would love to see SSSR stay in the slot role because it looks he can cause more damage that way. Wallace has become a great speed guy and now he is showing he can do it from all over the field. Thats great because maybe we can then push Chris Moore and Perrimen more as the down field options. Also wondering if Aiken is gonna slowly drift to the back of the stat line again....

[KidNme]

Again.... I said it last week and I will say it again. Congrats to Dean Pees who had the defense playing great. I have been very outspoken against Pees and his Defensive philosophy but I will give credit where it is due. Dean did a remarkable job over the past two weeks and I am not sure what the difference is (Tavon Young?) but I am sure that something is clicking. Lets hope he can keep it rolling vs the Cowgirls.

I would say the difference was playing a flailing Squeelers squad with a hurt QB and playing the worst team in football last night but then again, I'm a glass half empty kind of guy. :-)

[bioLarzen]

It's impossible not to see how much the performance of the offense depends on the O-line. That of course is true in general - but seems to be especially true for the 2016 Ravens. Flacco seems rattled by the injury, and seems to have lost some of his cool to wait until the last moment when hurried or pressured, and keep a cool head to make the right decision with pressure in his face. Ergo, at this point he'll only have good games as long as the line gives him enough time. Whenever it happened last night, he was good. Whenever he was pressured, he was bad. And that's very bad news, as it seems that he won't enjoy the benefits of a healthy O-line too much this season.

 

The win was good of course, and it's good that at last it was a "blowout" one - but let's be honest: this was by far the weakest opponent we've had in a while... not at all NFL level... and still, they were up in the halftime...

 

It's good to see some of our rookies go strong. Especially happy with Pierce continuing his good run. It was also good to see ZaDarius Smith doing business - so far he was one of the prime disappointments of the season for me. Let's hope he'll continue much better.

 

I'm a primetime hater of this "color rush" idiocy, the only reason of which is to generate extra profit for Nike. That said, I have to say... this all-purple strip was pretty rad. I definitely liked it.

 

And last for not least: let's start the Cowboys game with 3 checkdowns to Steve Smith. That may mean a 3-and-out - but Steve must make the 1000 catches, and he's at 997 currently. He could get hurt any play (not because he's 37, but because any player can get hurt any play), and sure as hell he wouldn't come back for another season just to get 3 catches...He needs to have those ASAP. He deserves it.

[Derrel]

  28 minutes ago, Bat-mite said:

So, let me ask everyone for his/her honest opinion, not just a fanboy/girl opinion :)

Was the Perriman touchdown legit?

Yes because of the rules regarding replay and determination of a catch. If it was called incomplete on the field it would have also been ruled incomplete by replay. It is currently very difficult to overturn the field call on catches/non-catches by replay with the rules put in place this past off season.

maybe so but it looked like the ball hit the ground and wasn't controlled

[Bat-mite]

21 minutes ago, Derrel said:

maybe so but it looked like the ball hit the ground and wasn't controlled

Really did seem to be a judgment call.  Glad they didn't overturn it.  Perriman needs some confidence boost.

[steelcityraven]

5 THOUGHTS
IT GETS HARDER FRO HERE BUT

1. Sizzle looks like he has found the fountain of youth. He is playing inspired and his play is lifting the rest of the defense.

2. We need to continue to feed Perriman and Waller...They both looked dangerous last night and we saw glimpses of who they can be. Feed them

3. Flacco needs to get his confidence back. IDK if it is the knee... of if he is getting hit too much or a combination or what the deal is... but even when he had time.... he looks a little gun shy.

4. Dixon showed flashes... hope he continues to grow with more playing time.

5. We have some budding stars on this team (Waller, Dixon, Stanley, Judon, Pierce, and Z. Smith) all seem to be poised to take their games to the next level. If we can get Perriman in the mix and KC to develop... I think it is a good nucleus of young players to add to the handful of veterans that we already possess (BWilliams, CJ, Jimmy, Suggs, Yanda, Doom, Wagner, Tucker, Weddle, SSS and Wallace)

[Bat-mite]

33 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

5 THOUGHTS
IT GETS HARDER FRO HERE BUT

1. Sizzle looks like he has found the fountain of youth. He is playing inspired and his play is lifting the rest of the defense.

2. We need to continue to feed Perriman and Waller...They both looked dangerous last night and we saw glimpses of who they can be. Feed them

3. Flacco needs to get his confidence back. IDK if it is the knee... of if he is getting hit too much or a combination or what the deal is... but even when he had time.... he looks a little gun shy.

4. Dixon showed flashes... hope he continues to grow with more playing time.

5. We have some budding stars on this team (Waller, Dixon, Stanley, Judon, Pierce, and Z. Smith) all seem to be poised to take their games to the next level. If we can get Perriman in the mix and KC to develop... I think it is a good nucleus of young players to add to the handful of veterans that we already possess (BWilliams, CJ, Jimmy, Suggs, Yanda, Doom, Wagner, Tucker, Weddle, SSS and Wallace)

Well said.  I would add that we really need a consistent, dependable, well-coached offensive line.

[craymonham]

I'm happy we won back to back games. I noticed we need elvis back badly, He can help us wreak havoc if hev returms. The offense looked better in hurry up but flacco doesn't seem to throw the ball away for some reason. I hope whatever flaccos going through mentally it doesn't affect him down the strectch. We needed this confidence builder on offense badly.

[RavensBaltimore]

So, let me ask everyone for his/her honest opinion, not just a fanboy/girl opinion :)

Was the Perriman touchdown legit?

It looked like it probably hi the ground, but you couldn't tell for sure. He may have pinned it against his side before it hit the ground, if it hit the ground at all. By rule, a play should not be overturned unless the evidence is conclusive, and it wasn't conclusive, so yes, it was legit.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

1) It was a blow out because the Browns beat themselves a bit. Hue Jackson looked like he didn't have his team prepared for the game at all. He should have never have benched Kessler unless he was hurt. McCown stunk up the joint.

2) While we can heap praise on Perriman and Waller for what they did, I will couch that for what they didn't do. Perriman dropped at least one pass that was easily catchable and I think Waller had two drops, but one for sure that hit him right in the hands just like Perriman. They need to become consistent. Dixon looked very good.

3) Defense wins championships, still. You can get by with a decent offense, but you have to have a good defense to actually win it all. You can win a lot of games with an amazing offense and a bad defense, but that only gets you so far. Difference in this game: Suggs #1 = pressure. Most pressure I have seen on a QB so far and is it any surprise that the secondary played the best I have seen in a long time in that same game? It all starts up front.

4) Losing Lewis (I am gonna say for the season) is a major blow. If he didn't break that thing it has to be a high ankle sprain or some sort of tear/dislocation. It looked too ugly for it to be minor. Zuttah banged up, Yanda banged up. We need this O-line to stay relatively intact.

5) Should have still been a penalty because they were in formation.

[Moderator 3]

3 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

So, let me ask everyone for his/her honest opinion, not just a fanboy/girl opinion

Was the Perriman touchdown legit?

ESPN thought so.  It was #6 in the Top 10 plays.

[Fastynart]

Why the heck should the defense have to carry the team when you are paying your quarterback 20 mil a year? Doesn't anyone ever ask that question?
I am not a Perriman fan and have made that quite clear, but, I give him credit for that TD catch. It was great.
The first half they looked like the same Ravens. Fortunately the Browns, with the exception of one TD pass looked worse. Beating the Browns and puffing out your chest about it is like stealing cookie money from the Girl Scouts and bragging what a tough guy you are. We will see over the next couple of weeks what this team is made of when the big boys show up.
Kudos to Young and Suggs. They were great.

[dirtybird66]

a patchwork o-line when our toughest schedule is now ahead,not good,not good.

[dirtybird66]

i'd like to ask a question,please,isn't very easy to score in this league? isn't it setup that way? and isn't it harder to play defense in this league? i mean we have weapons right? this is 1 game right? against cleveland,right? how many people think this output by FLACCO is just another inconsistancy,will the offense go out yet again next game and start off slow out of the gate,just like they did this game,is that the only consistant thing about this offense? or do you believe this will be the spark harbaugh has said will come? what do you think?

[billiejean]

12 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

Kyle along can't even get out of his stance up in Minnesota. It was fortunate that we didn't sign him.

I really think it is the O line coaching that is screwing up the offense. Every season that Castillo has been in charge we have faired poorly and the line has looked terrible.

Alex Lewis is a diamond from the rough, so is Judson, so is Pierce, so was Tucker, Will Lutz looks like a nice Tucker copy with almost but not quite as strong a leg, so I think you are off base in this department.

Can't you enjoy the win and see if they can build off this? Last year the defense improved in the second half of the season so if they can continue to do that again this year, look out.

You clearly have forgotten about the 2014 season when our offensive line was arguably one of the best units that the Ravens have ever fielded in team history.

[sizzlingdoom]

Why the heck should the defense have to carry the team when you are paying your quarterback 20 mil a year? Doesn't anyone ever ask that question?
I am not a Perriman fan and have made that quite clear, but, I give him credit for that TD catch. It was great.
The first half they looked like the same Ravens. Fortunately the Browns, with the exception of one TD pass looked worse. Beating the Browns and puffing out your chest about it is like stealing cookie money from the Girl Scouts and bragging what a tough guy you are. We will see over the next couple of weeks what this team is made of when the big boys show up.
Kudos to Young and Suggs. They were great.

Dude, 23 of the 32 starting qbs average at least 15 mill a year. It's the going rate for a qb in the NFL these days. And most of those that are not making 15mil or more, either suck or are on rookie contracts. Flacco has not been good this year, we all know that. Good news is it can only get better from here. And it probably has something to do with coming back to early which isn't an excuse. All that said, I'm glad we have Flacco. From here on out is all that matters and it looks like he's starting to get it going. We only need him to play average-good to beat anyone in our path with this D. Time to start playing December ball now as Harbaugh said.
And I don't think we're puffin our chest out after beating the Browns. Esp. if you listen to Suggs post game interview. I think we are more excited that Flacco was able to get it going. Also, if Weddle doesn't miss a coverage, we probably pitch a shutout!
I agree, Sizzle and Young were great and have been all year. The Ravens are a completely different with Young in the #2 Corner spot!

[January J]

I thought it was a legit catch. The ground caused the ball to move a tad but that is while it was secured in his arms. Glad they didht overturn strictly for his confidence.