Next Up: Ravens at Cowboys, Sunday November 20th 1300

[PurpleCity5]

5 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

At worst I think Doom would be a big help. It seems like there are a couple instances every game where the opposing QB has so much time it's just sickening, having a guy that we know will get free relatively quickly even if he's picked up by a blocker would be huge. It's pretty amazing that we currently have arguably the best defense in the league even though we haven't had a consistent pass rush at any point this season, just goes to show just how good this defense is that they can have such a glaring hole in a department that can't be overstated how important it is, yet still be the top unit in the league. i really should temper my expectations but the prospect of getting a top pass rusher back at 100% for the first time this year has me salivating for the possibilities of this defense, how high can they climb? I'd venture to say, if Doom is 100% then this defense can win us the division, and pair it with playoff Joe we can go deep into the playoffs. A truly dangerous team come playoff time.

Clearly Doom wasn't 100% for those two games. I think and I hope he got the strength back in his foot and his explosiveness has returned as well. We still need a stud pass rusher and if Doom can return at that then no doubt we need him. As you said, we have the #1 D in the league without a consistent pass rush. Once we add that I can't imagine how good it will be. It's already a defense in the elite category, if we get Judon going and get Doom back to close to what he once was, then you're going to have a terrifying defense. I just personally think this defense can absolutely use another pass rusher. It may not look like a need, but its a huge want. 

[Ravens419]

I'll leave this here for all of you to read I guess we are all homers and very optimistic maybe they should go read the other threads on here LOL this is a quote straight from the cowboys game thread 

 

"LOL Ravens fans are some of the most overly optimistic I've ever seen. Here on the Dallas boards, I constantly see negative posts even when winning, but checking the game preview thread there, they are really underestimating the Cowboys and high on their team. A recap of their 2016 so far :

 

Barely beat the Bills
Barely beat the BROWNS
Barely beat the Jags
Lost to the Raiders (to their credit, a narrow loss to a great team)
Lost to the Redskins (basically a less talented Dallas team build at every level, including the previous Dallas O line coach)
Lost to the Giants
Lost to the JETS
Beat a truly beaten-up Steelers team with Burger coming off injury and looking terrible for most of the game
Beat the Browns again

 

Yeah, not seeing the '#1 rushing defense' being super legitimate considering that list of nonsense. Show me the team on that list known for an A+ rushing attack? Arguably the Steelers? But how healthy is a Steelers attack when Ben is throwing at the dirt for 3 quarters?

 

They've played 5 okay to good teams : Raiders, Redskins, Giants, and Steelers. The Raiders had pretty much zero defense at that point (they've been looking up the past few weeks and may be dangerous in the AFC!), and they played the Steelers at the absolute worst time, with Ben looking like garbage for most of the game and obviously coming back about a week too early. Playing the Browns twice? LOL. In the real world, the Eagles defense is better, and we've faced more than a few offenses that are better than the Ravens."

[hn68wb4]

This game is getting to me too much, now I'm making ill advised bets with Cowboys fans, I'm too involved. But the arrogance their fans are spewing just annoys the hell out of me.

[VermontRaven]

Just now, hn68wb4 said:

This game is getting to me too much, now I'm making ill advised bets with Cowboys fans, I'm too involved. But the arrogance their fans are spewing just annoys the hell out of me.

Which makes taking them down this weekend that much sweeter!

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, Ravens419 said:

I'll leave this here for all of you to read I guess we are all homers and very optimistic maybe they should go read the other threads on here LOL this is a quote straight from the cowboys game thread 

 

"LOL Ravens fans are some of the most overly optimistic I've ever seen. Here on the Dallas boards, I constantly see negative posts even when winning, but checking the game preview thread there, they are really underestimating the Cowboys and high on their team. A recap of their 2016 so far :

 

Barely beat the Bills
Barely beat the BROWNS
Barely beat the Jags
Lost to the Raiders (to their credit, a narrow loss to a great team)
Lost to the Redskins (basically a less talented Dallas team build at every level, including the previous Dallas O line coach)
Lost to the Giants
Lost to the JETS
Beat a truly beaten-up Steelers team with Burger coming off injury and looking terrible for most of the game
Beat the Browns again

 

Yeah, not seeing the '#1 rushing defense' being super legitimate considering that list of nonsense. Show me the team on that list known for an A+ rushing attack? Arguably the Steelers? But how healthy is a Steelers attack when Ben is throwing at the dirt for 3 quarters?

 

They've played 5 okay to good teams : Raiders, Redskins, Giants, and Steelers. The Raiders had pretty much zero defense at that point (they've been looking up the past few weeks and may be dangerous in the AFC!), and they played the Steelers at the absolute worst time, with Ben looking like garbage for most of the game and obviously coming back about a week too early. Playing the Browns twice? LOL. In the real world, the Eagles defense is better, and we've faced more than a few offenses that are better than the Ravens."

Well, in their defense, its hard to argue against this.

I mean I don't think Pittsburgh is as good as people think they are and Ben was clearly hobbled, but we're kind of basing this whole "we're not that bad concept" based on us beating Pittsburgh at home and playing one great half against Cleveland at home. 

Fans need to remember... less than a month ago, we were a very, very bad football team. Can't even argue we were average. We had a defense that played pretty well but was inconsistent at times, and an offense that quite literally struggled to get a first down against average to below average NFL defenses.

As I said before... this is a barometer game. The Cowboys are easily a top 2-3 NFL team right now, and they have zero reason to think we are significantly different than a lot of the teams they've handled or beaten already.

For us, this game will tell us a lot about where we stand. We get blown out and its basically back to the drawing board, because we are a mediocre team who probably can't beat a good team. A close loss or a victory and you get instant respect from not only Cowboys fans but nationwide fans as well.

[Ravens419]

I'm making bets with cowboys fans I have one that trolls me everywhere god I hope we beat them on Sunday 

[hn68wb4]

8 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Which makes taking them down this weekend that much sweeter!

They haven't accepted the bet yet but man it's hefty:

1) After the game we're still the #1 run D in the league

2) Their rushing average for the game (whole team) is under 4 yds/carry

3) Elliott doesn't break 60 yds on the day - and given how many carries he's been getting per game, that would probably mean under 3 yds/carry on the day, maybe a little over 3 if they don't hand it off as much to him when he's struggling.

I just couldn't stand by and let him say Cox, Atkins, and Daniels were all better run stuffers than BWill, they can't play my boy wrong like that. I just pushed all my chips to the center of the table, his move now.

Edited November 16, 2016 by hn68wb4

[hn68wb4]

This game is getting more heated than any other recent Ravens game. We want to knock their fans down a few pegs, and they think they're invincible and don't like being told otherwise. This game is shaping up to be a special one.

[Purple_City39]

12 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

This game is getting more heated than any other recent Ravens game. We want to knock their fans down a few pegs, and they think they're invincible and don't like being told otherwise. This game is shaping up to be a special one.

Reminds me of that Broncos divisional game in 2012.  I was on a separate forum but Broncos fans came over to the Ravens board all week to let us know we didn't have a chance.  We mentioned the many players that missed the first game, and they said it wouldn't matter because they were missing a guard in the first game that would add another 2 TDs to the offense somehow.

Felt great to see the team shut those fans up

[hn68wb4]

If you haven't seen this yet, it's pretty hilarious

[Militant X 1]

2 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Some people don't understand that we absolutely need Doom. Especially if he's 100% healthy. That would be a major boost to this team, I can't describe how amazing that would be for us if Doom came back to form for us. I think a lot of his struggles last season had to do with being the only pass rusher on the team as he didn't get much help at all. Clearly he didn't look like he lost a step at the start of last season, if he can at least play close to what he's capable of, then we're going to have a really good pass rush in Suggs-Doom-Judon. FWIW, I'm a Matt Judon fan and its awesome that he's getting PT right now.

I'd love to see Doom prove my perception of his ineffectiveness wrong with his getting a sack or 2 or 3 on Sunday if he goes.

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, in their defense, its hard to argue against this.

I mean I don't think Pittsburgh is as good as people think they are and Ben was clearly hobbled, but we're kind of basing this whole "we're not that bad concept" based on us beating Pittsburgh at home and playing one great half against Cleveland at home. 

Fans need to remember... less than a month ago, we were a very, very bad football team. Can't even argue we were average. We had a defense that played pretty well but was inconsistent at times, and an offense that quite literally struggled to get a first down against average to below average NFL defenses.

As I said before... this is a barometer game. The Cowboys are easily a top 2-3 NFL team right now, and they have zero reason to think we are significantly different than a lot of the teams they've handled or beaten already.

For us, this game will tell us a lot about where we stand. We get blown out and its basically back to the drawing board, because we are a mediocre team who probably can't beat a good team. A close loss or a victory and you get instant respect from not only Cowboys fans but nationwide fans as well.

Agreed!  

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Man ole man. Never was a fan, but that speech Romo just gave conceding his role as the franchise QB was absolutely a game changer. That was a Rudy, Remember the Titans, Brian's Song work of art. Truly inspiring. If I'm a teammate, I'll run through a wall for this dude. I'm looking at our coming-up game a little differently now. He just made it a 'statement game' for the Cowboys when it was just supposed be our 'statement game'.

Oh well. That said, we still have Jerry Jones' ridiculous statement disrespecting Romo that preceded it. I'm thinking if I'm a Dallas player I'd run through a wall to get away from a owner like that and if I'm a Raven I'd run through a wall to humble an arrogant, disrespectful, unappreciative ego-maniac owner like that.

It could go either way. We still have a 'statement game' to play Sunday.

GO Ravens! 

Edited November 16, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
I'm looking at our coming-up game a little differently now

[Ravensfan23]

7 hours ago, January J said:

Oh Ofcourse he will definitely have to earn it- nothing in this league is just handed to you. And your right he probably needs a little more time to get up to speed. Do we agree that Hester's days are numbered  though? My view on  it is that ASA has been getting work in at returner during practice- he will get a shot and depending on how he does over the next 2 weeks camp either gets promoted or stays put. Hester will be cut for boyle- and then ASA ( if he doesn't hold onto the job ) will be demoted back to the PS for camp. This Sunday may be the last time we see Hester. Boyle becomes eligible right after Sunday. Meanwhile that gives campanaro another 2 weeks to get up to speed- so if ASA doesn't grab ahold of the job and run away with it we will see camp brought up for Miami or new england. I just think we could really use camp on offense as well to add another shifty chain mover. We will see what happens. As much as I'd like to see camp back there BC I trust his hands and decision making- im hoping that ASA has resolved his ball security issues bc thatR boy was electric when he got the ball in space. We need somebody like that who's a threat to take it to the house and actually get us some good feild position. I am absolutely tired of watching Hester let the ball bounce BC he's afraid to catch it giving us horrible feild position; seeing him muff the ball on routine fair catches; and calling for fair catches when there is nothing but green grass and no defenders within 10 yards. Catch that thing and run north and stop running sideways. Every 5 - 10 yards help, and could be the difference in tucker getting in range for an easy 3. Every yard and every point matters, and feild position is key. He has been a huge liability and is putting our Offense in tough positions week in and week out. Enough is enough- don't wait until its too late and he costs us a game by fumbling the ball on a key punt return late in the game when were either down by a score or up by  a few, give them the ball in prime feild position and lose us the game from a chip shot feild goal. Sorry for rambling but it's so obvious this guy is done- he's not doing us any good whatsoever.

Definitely agree. I was on board with the Hester signing because it was low risk and potential high reward, but it didn't work, no more than T. Rich. So just cut bait I say. I'm so over Hester that I though allowing Reynolds to get those reps would have been better, at least with him you understand that it's trail and error, in game training. 

As for Asa, I thought he should have been the guy last year. Yes he had a couple fumbles, but in hindsight how would Asa have been worse than Hester is now? I think Asa is the most dynamic RS we currently have. He's electric. 

With Tavon playing so well outside, I think Asa will stick around for slot depth behind Powers. So even if he doesn't grab hold of the return job, which i believe he will, he'll stick around imo. I think Lewis to IR and Hester cut are the moves that are made to make room for Camp. I just can't see the advantage to not placing Lewis on IR. If the time frame is 6 weeks that places him just outside the Christmas match up with the Steelers. So that last week of practice before the Bengals game is when he'd return. At that point even if Urshcel(I assume he's the guy) isn't playing well, from a continuity standpoint you'll probably stick with him heading into the playoffs. 

I want to see Camp used in this offense as well. He just brings something that no other WR can as that shifty slot guy. I just hope that Camp being active doesn't force Moore to be inactive, he's turning into a ST ace for this team. I'd rather see the snaps/opportunities taken from Aiken, with SSS, Wallace, Perriman and Camp as your top 4 WRs. 

It'll be interesting to see how short or long the leash is for Hester in this game with Asa now on the roster. 

[nextgen_RavensFan]

31 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Definitely agree. I was on board with the Hester signing because it was low risk and potential high reward, but it didn't work, no more than T. Rich. So just cut bait I say. I'm so over Hester that I though allowing Reynolds to get those reps would have been better, at least with him you understand that it's trail and error, in game training. 

As for Asa, I thought he should have been the guy last year. Yes he had a couple fumbles, but in hindsight how would Asa have been worse than Hester is now? I think Asa is the most dynamic RS we currently have. He's electric. 

With Tavon playing so well outside, I think Asa will stick around for slot depth behind Powers. So even if he doesn't grab hold of the return job, which i believe he will, he'll stick around imo. I think Lewis to IR and Hester cut are the moves that are made to make room for Camp. I just can't see the advantage to not placing Lewis on IR. If the time frame is 6 weeks that places him just outside the Christmas match up with the Steelers. So that last week of practice before the Bengals game is when he'd return. At that point even if Urshcel(I assume he's the guy) isn't playing well, from a continuity standpoint you'll probably stick with him heading into the playoffs. 

I want to see Camp used in this offense as well. He just brings something that no other WR can as that shifty slot guy. I just hope that Camp being active doesn't force Moore to be inactive, he's turning into a ST ace for this team. I'd rather see the snaps/opportunities taken from Aiken, with SSS, Wallace, Perriman and Camp as your top 4 WRs. 

It'll be interesting to see how short or long the leash is for Hester in this game with Asa now on the roster. 

I was a huge Camp fan before he started showing he is a (can never stay healthy) type of player and i would not take reps from any starting reciever to take a chance on him again. We need to develop timing and not gamble on a "maybe" player like he is with his issues. He has all of the tools and can be a huge X factor when he is on the field but how often is that ? Aiken has earned his spot.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Cowboys 1st half rushing yards against Steelers = 42 yards
Steelers 9th ranked rushing defense
Ravens 1st ranked rushing defense

I truly don't think we give up 400+ yds on the team. If they beat us they'll have to do something they haven't done all season. Our offense needs to do something we haven't done consistently this season - execute plays for 4 quarters and we basically win this game.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

I'd love to see Doom prove my perception of his ineffectiveness wrong with his getting a sack or 2 or 3 on Sunday if he goes.

Yea i don't think people are thinking clearly when it comes to him  yea he may not be here next year but if he is healthy and on the field, he's a difference maker.  Having him Sunday would be huge but I know we wont

[nextgen_RavensFan]

18 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Cowboys 1st half rushing yards against Steelers = 42 yards
Steelers 9th ranked rushing defense
Ravens 1st ranked rushing defense

I truly don't think we give up 400+ yds on the team. If they beat us they'll have to do something they haven't done all season. Our offense needs to do something we haven't done consistently this season - execute plays for 4 quarters and we basically win this game.

Very true, we would have to have a total collapse on defense and those guys are determined to dominate. I love their aggression. I think we can run on them and that will be huge. I do not think Bell is anything special, never have and he looked like Eric Dickerson against the Cowboys. So if we can run the ball and get some quick tosses outside we can control the game.

Edited November 16, 2016 by nextgen_RavensFan

[Ravensfan23]

18 minutes ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

I was a huge Camp fan before he started showing he is a (can never stay healthy) type of player and i would not take reps from any starting reciever to take a chance on him again. We need to develop timing and not gamble on a "maybe" player like he is with his issues. He has all of the tools and can be a huge X factor when he is on the field but how often is that ? Aiken has earned his spot.

How so through 9 games? I'm a fan of Aiken but it's clear he doesn't have a defined role in this offense as long as SSS and Wallace are here. He's getting 1 or 2 targets per game for like 7 yards. How is that helping the offense at all? Again i'm a fan but Camp brings a completely different dynamic to this offense and Aiken doesn't come close to to bringing it. If Camp is healthy, which he is, he can really help this offense. If he can't stay healthy you just utilize him as much as you can while he's healthy. Camp could be a difference maker, Aiken just isn't that guy. If Camp earns his way into the offensive gameplan and he plays 50+ snaps but only get 1-2 targets per game than i'll say the same about him that I say about Aiken. The Ravens need guys to make plays now. Aiken just isn't the guy that doing that right now. Let's see what he does in Dallas

[RavensPunkXVX]

Think Dixon and SSR could be x factors on the offense. I like that Dixon is catching passes out of the backfield.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Just now, Ravensfan23 said:

How so through 9 games? I'm a fan of Aiken but it's clear he doesn't have a defined role in this offense as long as SSS and Wallace are here. He's getting 1 or 2 targets per game for like 7 yards. How is that helping the offense at all? Again i'm a fan but Camp brings a completely different dynamic to this offense and Aiken doesn't come close to to bringing it. If Camp is healthy, which he is, he can really help this offense. If he can't stay healthy you just utilize him as much as you can while he's healthy. Camp could be a difference maker, Aiken just isn't that guy. If Camp earns his way into the offensive gameplan and he plays 50+ snaps but only get 1-2 targets per game than i'll say the same about him that I say about Aiken. The Ravens need guys to make plays now. Aiken just isn't the guy that doing that right now. Let's see what he does in Dallas

I am looking at last year and this year friend as far as Aiken. No one looks good this year due to offensive issues except for Pitta and Wallace. I just would hate to see us put more time into Camp just for him to go down in a crucial point and time and then we go back to Aiken anyway. Do you think he will turn out to be a healthy player ?

[nextgen_RavensFan]

4 minutes ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

Think Dixon and SSR could be x factors on the offense. I like that Dixon is catching passes out of the backfield.

Dixon and those quick outs should be huge this game i hope. SSR should also get some great chances in the middle of the field, would love to see him crossing the field and bust free for a 50 yard TD.

Edited November 16, 2016 by nextgen_RavensFan

[FlocksGottaFeed]

21 minutes ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

Very true, we would have to have a total collapse on defense and those guys are determined to dominate. I love their aggression. I think we can run on them and that will be huge. I do not think Bell is anything special, never have and he looked like Eric Dickerson against the Cowboys. So if we can run the ball and get some quick tosses outside we can control the game.

Yanda's return will be huge. He is the Alpha Male in that unit and a beast. I think the entire O-line performance will reflect this Sunday.

[Ravensfan23]

2 minutes ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

I am looking at last year and this year friend as far as Aiken. No one looks good this year due to offensive issues except for Pitta and Wallace. I just would hate to see us put more time into Camp just for him to go down in a crucial point and time and then we go back to Aiken anyway. Do you think he will turn out to be a healthy player ?

I know you where looking at last year, honestly that's all we can look at. It's not about Aiken looking good or bad, when SSS was down he stepped up and that's great. However when SSS, Wallace and Pitta on the field you'll rarely target Aiken. He doesn't bring what Perriman does, so he won't get more targets than BP even though he gets more reps. So the question is Aiken helping this offense right now? Meanwhile, Camp has the ability to get open quick and create separation to give Flacco a easy target to hit. That would greatly help this oline because they wouldn't have to block as long. 

I agree that the injuries to Camp are frustrating, but you don't just keep this guy on the bench if he can help you. Aiken is who he is at this point. He's that ole reliable guy. If the Ravens need the offense to run through him, he'll make some nice catches, but when shinier weapons are available Aiken will fall to the back burner. I'm not saying Aiken should be benched, just that I'd rather see Aiken share his 40 snaps per game, than Perriman. Wallace or SSS sharing their snaps because all those guys are game changers, Aiken just isn't.

[Cillmatic]

I've got a bad feeling that both Doom and Yanda don't play this Sunday.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

41 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I've got a bad feeling that both Doom and Yanda don't play this Sunday.

I thought they had full practice reps today.

[Ravens419]

47 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I've got a bad feeling that both Doom and Yanda don't play this Sunday.

 

4 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

I thought they had full practice reps today.

Yeah so did I... I was hopeful we'd see both of them out there

[K-Dog]

Okay if I AM, talking to people about the purple shades, you know something has gone out of whack. 

 

First of all calling Cowboys fans cocky and overly optimistic is a whole lot of pot calling the kettle black.   With an 8-1 record they full well have earned the right to be cocky, confident, and optimistic.  We are a 5-4 team, we play like a 5-4 team.  If we were 8-1 and playing a 5-4 team how would we be acting ?  If you say ANYTHING other than JUST LIKE THEM, you are riding a boat in denial. 

I don't remember what my second of all was.....

[BmoreBird22]

The Ravens have only ever lost to a rookie quarterback three times. 

Two of the times (Blaine Gabbert and EJ Manuel) were due to an extremely poor showing by the Ravens more than the rookie actually beating the Ravens. Remember Joe's 5 picks against Buffalo?

The only time I'd actually say a rookie quarterback was against the Redskins and I believe at that time, the Ravens were down to McClellan and Ayenbendajo starting at inside linebacker or something crazy like that. I don't remember exactly, but I know the defense across the board was ravaged by injury.

This time, the Ravens should be largely healthy. I don't know that they'll lose this one because the Ravens defense is healthy enough to confuse a rookie quarterback and the offense will be pretty healthy.

[Rav'n Maniac]

19 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

I thought they had full practice reps today.

Everyone who came back was FP. The LP's were Mosley and Talli with Jimmy, Lewis & Gilmore the DNP's.

Edited November 17, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac