Next Up: Ravens at Cowboys, Sunday November 20th 1300

[BmoreBird22]

8 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

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Doom has only played 2 games and, well, you see that he was ineffective in even in those games in every category prior to his injury.

Well, he clearly wasn't healthy to get shut down...

[VermontRaven]

2 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

It looks more and more like the Ravens are going to have to make one or more roster moves before this game with Lewis and Yanda almost certain to miss this game and Zuttah banged up...Can't see us going into the game with only 6 linemen (with Hurst as #6)  Then, you also have the question of Campanaro--does he get promoted to the 53 man roster.? What are everyone's thoughts?  Below are some POSSIBLE moves I could see:

Realized I forgot about Jensen, so we actually have 7 linemen now.  Our probable starters I think are Stanley-Urschel-Zuttah-Ducasse-Wagner, with Hurst and Jensen as back-ups.  Not ideal situation by any means, but not quite as desperate as I was thinking from a numbers standpoint because most games we have been going with 7 active linemen on gameday.

[Militant X 1]

11 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

Is that a note of optimism & excitement I hear?

Who even expected for the Ravens to be in the drivers' seat 2 weeks ago? Crazy stuff. Offense needs to build on what began last game. Except for the INTs. Hear me Joe? Don't build on those.

Defense needs to prove it is as good as it has seemed so far. Can only watch and hope.

You know that I try to be very balanced in my praise or critique of our Ravens gameplay.  So, yes, it is! 

However, to me, it's the offense that really, really, really needs to prove that it can so-call "breakout" (like a recent article here implied after the Browns win) against this Cowboys defense under the big lights in Jerry's World.  The defense has been "carrying" this team and NOW it's time for the offense to return the favor.

[Militant X 1]

55 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Well, he clearly wasn't healthy to get shut down...

Interesting how I provide you the facts about his ineffectiveness this season before his injury and you still try to justify it by saying that he didn't get "shut down?" Whether he got shutdown by other teams or not is not the issue.  The point is; he's been ineffective even in the 2 games he played in prior to his injury!  C'mon Bmore!   

I believe Doom is done bro and we need to move on.

Edited November 15, 2016 by Militant X 1
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[VermontRaven]

Ravens promoted Asa Jackson to 53 man roster and put Willie Henry on IR.  Gotta say...I saw roster moves coming, but not this one!

 

[allblackraven]

36 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

Interesting how I provide you the facts about his ineffectiveness this season before his injury and you still try to justify it by saying that he didn't get "shut down?" Whether he got shutdown by other teams or not is not the issue.  The point is; he's been ineffective even in the 2 games he played in prior to his injury!  C'mon Bmore!   

I believe Doom is done bro and we need to move on.

He doesn't have the injury, he is still recovering post off season surgery and is going very slow. In two games he played he definitely wasn't ready due to that foot not being 100%.

I'm not sure he's done but yes - we need to move on.

[allblackraven]

8 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Ravens promoted Asa Jackson to 53 man roster and put Willie Henry on IR.  Gotta say...I saw roster moves coming, but not this one!

 

We're short on depth at corner, makes sense from that point of view but Asa is a big head-scratcher ever since he was brought back.

[hn68wb4]

4 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

It looks more and more like the Ravens are going to have to make one or more roster moves before this game with Lewis and Yanda almost certain to miss this game and Zuttah banged up...Can't see us going into the game with only 6 linemen (with Hurst as #6)  Then, you also have the question of Campanaro--does he get promoted to the 53 man roster.? What are everyone's thoughts?  Below are some POSSIBLE moves I could see:

POSSIBLE Promotions from Practice Squad

G Jarell Broxton

C Matt Skura

WR/KR/PR Michael Campanaro

---I expect Broxton will be moved to the 53 man roster for depth on the line.  If we were going to bring an outsider in, I think we would have already.

--Definitely think the plan is to bring Campanaro to 53 man roster at some point.  My guess is that it is this week, but it's possible they wait.

 

Possible Cuts

Devin Hester

Lorenzo Taliaferro---seems to be buried 4th on the depth chart.

 

Possible IR

Alex Lewis---They are saying it's at least a 6 week injury, which wouldn't put him back until late December.  That's a long time to hold a roster spot, plus I think it would be tough for a rookie to be thrown back in there in December and hopefully January when he probably wouldn't be fully healthy.

Marshall Yanda--Assuming the Ravens see him coming back this season at all, I see the Ravens holding that spot for him.  It would be a big boost to get possibly the best guard in the NFL back, hopefully for a playoff run.

Crockett Gillmore--I know absolutely NOTHING about his injury, but with Boyle coming back next week and Gillmore's injury history, this could be a position where they make a move if they think he is going to miss much more time.

 

--My guess is Lewis goes to IR.  We know we have a significant injury and we are going to have to fill that whole on our 53 man roster. 

--I also guess that Hester will be cut and Campanaro will be promoted.  It's possible they hold off on Camp or cut Taliaferro and keep Hester and Camp, but after the Cowboys game, I think another player is coming off the 53 man roster for Boyle.

 

What are everyone's thoughts?  Any other candidates I am missing? 

 

 

I doubt we're as eager as you think we are to bring Camp up. I realize people aren't happy with Hester but Camp was never THAT special as a return man, all he'd be doing is coming on to make the sure handed catch but we have Webb who can do that. I think that if Camp were going to be brought up then it would have happened with moving Henry to IR, but we chose to bring up Asa - who was an absolutely electric punt returner if he could just hold on to the ball. I think Camp is just going to spend this entire season on the PS unless we start getting injuries at the position, if he stays healthy there then he'll get a shot to make the team next year.

it wouldn't really make sense to cut LT at this point, we've held on to him through everything and he's still here, so I think the coaches still see a place for him on short yardage and on ST. I think Buck would be cut before LT at this point considering that with Dixon healthy he has no role whatsoever on offense, he's really just a ST right now and came on in garbage time vs. Browns - I don't suspect either will be cut though because both provide good ST play.

Unless someone gets injured, I suspect the cut to bring Boyle back would come down to Asa or Lewis-Harris. I can see Skura maybe being brought up if we have another injury up front but I don't think that'll happen until after said injury. Lewis could go to IR but I think we hold off on that for a couple weeks, if we're eliminated from playoff contention then he gets sent to IR, if we continue to lead the pack in the division then I think we keep him and wait for him to get healthy. He was playing fantastic since moving back to LG from LT.

[Tank 92]

51 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Ravens promoted Asa Jackson to 53 man roster and put Willie Henry on IR.  Gotta say...I saw roster moves coming, but not this one!

 

I heard he has really bulked up and will back up at guard.   

[hn68wb4]

I remember Asa's draft year, I wanted us to take him so bad and when we did I was excited - and for a time there it seemed like he had developed into a solid slot guy but then he just fell off a cliff play wise.

Didn't he also get FG blocks in back to back weeks last year or the year before? I seem to remember that happening. And he was such an unbelievably electric punt returner in the preseason, it seemed like he broke long returns every time...only to fumble at the end. If he could hold on to the ball, he probably would have never been cut.

I don't think he'll be on the active roster for long though. Even if he manages to hang around for a little while, I suspect he'll be the guy we cut to bring Boyle onto the active roster.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, hn68wb4 said:

I remember Asa's draft year, I wanted us to take him so bad and when we did I was excited - and for a time there it seemed like he had developed into a solid slot guy but then he just fell off a cliff play wise.

Didn't he also get FG blocks in back to back weeks last year or the year before? I seem to remember that happening. And he was such an unbelievably electric punt returner in the preseason, it seemed like he broke long returns every time...only to fumble at the end. If he could hold on to the ball, he probably would have never been cut.

I don't think he'll be on the active roster for long though. Even if he manages to hang around for a little while, I suspect he'll be the guy we cut to bring Boyle onto the active roster.

Suspect Lewis heads to IR when Boyle returns. He's staring at a 6 week injury, which means best case, he's back for the last game of the regular season, and we're already thin at OL, meaning we could end up needing to add a body there.

 

[MTRavensFan]

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

Ravens promoted Asa Jackson to 53 man roster and put Willie Henry on IR.  Gotta say...I saw roster moves coming, but not this one!

 

I can see Hester getting cut in the near future,  with Asa as our new return guy.  Noticed Webby out there fielding punts on Thursday. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

Interesting how I provide you the facts about his ineffectiveness this season before his injury and you still try to justify it by saying that he didn't get "shut down?" Whether he got shutdown by other teams or not is not the issue.  The point is; he's been ineffective even in the 2 games he played in prior to his injury!  C'mon Bmore!   

I believe Doom is done bro and we need to move on.

Errr, I was saying shutdown as in the Ravens didn't believe his foot had healed the way they had hoped and then pulled him from action because it was still ailing him...

This wasn't a new injury and stats aren't "facts."

[The Raven]

Is Willie Henry going to real IR or the phantom IR? I don't remember him being hurt.

Regardless, it's a shame. He needs the practice time to figure it out. He's a physical specimen. Just a freak. Kind of reminds me of Antwan Barnes. All the physical ability, and none of the technique or mental capacity.

 

[rmcjacket23]

10 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Is Willie Henry going to real IR or the phantom IR? I don't remember him being hurt.

Regardless, it's a shame. He needs the practice time to figure it out. He's a physical specimen. Just a freak. Kind of reminds me of Antwan Barnes. All the physical ability, and none of the technique or mental capacity.

 

Phantom IR is my guess.

[Halshayeji]

On November 11, 2016 at 4:38 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

This is a barometer game. Its not a game we have to win, but its a game where we have to be competitive. 

You go to Dallas and get blown out, its back to the drawing board in terms of being a playoff contender. A one score loss probably shows that we're an above average, maybe even good team, that just got beat by a good team on the road.

Its not a game I expect to win, though I do think in some ways we match up well with them. They should have a tougher time running the ball against us than most, and they're not a particularly good pass rushing unit.

I agree. This is probably an esier game to pull of than the steelers Patriots and maybe the two bengals games. I'd be disappointed if we let this one slip away because we match up so well against the Cowboys. Looking at the remaining schedule, I'd be so much more comfortable sitting at 6-4 than 5-5.

We really need this game and you don't get much healthier than this in the NFL. I'd be heartbroken if we lose by 1 score!

[OldToby]

We are going to sneak up on them. Hoping everything goes our way.

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I doubt we're as eager as you think we are to bring Camp up. I realize people aren't happy with Hester but Camp was never THAT special as a return man, all he'd be doing is coming on to make the sure handed catch but we have Webb who can do that. I think that if Camp were going to be brought up then it would have happened with moving Henry to IR, but we chose to bring up Asa - who was an absolutely electric punt returner if he could just hold on to the ball. I think Camp is just going to spend this entire season on the PS unless we start getting injuries at the position, if he stays healthy there then he'll get a shot to make the team next year.

it wouldn't really make sense to cut LT at this point, we've held on to him through everything and he's still here, so I think the coaches still see a place for him on short yardage and on ST. I think Buck would be cut before LT at this point considering that with Dixon healthy he has no role whatsoever on offense, he's really just a ST right now and came on in garbage time vs. Browns - I don't suspect either will be cut though because both provide good ST play.

Unless someone gets injured, I suspect the cut to bring Boyle back would come down to Asa or Lewis-Harris. I can see Skura maybe being brought up if we have another injury up front but I don't think that'll happen until after said injury. Lewis could go to IR but I think we hold off on that for a couple weeks, if we're eliminated from playoff contention then he gets sent to IR, if we continue to lead the pack in the division then I think we keep him and wait for him to get healthy. He was playing fantastic since moving back to LG from LT.

Camp has been out of football for the last 9 weeks or so with an injury that didn't really allow him to run full throttle until about 3 weeks ago. You can't just sign a guy off the street and expect him to be in Football playing shape this quickly. I think the Ravens will give him 3 weeks of practice time to get back into the groove of things before bringing him up. The Ravens like him more than just a returner, they still think he can be a special slot guy. I think in a perfect world the Ravens would love for Camp to be a slot wr and RS, but because of his injury history, if you can get a guy like Asa to handle it you're ok with Camp just being a slot WR. 

[jazz1988]

23 hours ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Not trying to be a downer here, but doesn't Joe usually struggle against cover 2 defenses? 

Sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't . Not alot of teams really run cover 2/tampa 2 type defenses often any more but they are team that run hybrid version of it like The Panthers, Cowboys,Bengals, and our team.

Edited November 16, 2016 by jazz1988

[January J]

4 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

Ravens promoted Asa Jackson to 53 man roster and put Willie Henry on IR.  Gotta say...I saw roster moves coming, but not this one!

 

Saw this coming. 

3 hours ago, MTRavensFan said:

I can see Hester getting cut in the near future,  with Asa as our new return guy.  Noticed Webby out there fielding punts on Thursday. 

Yeah I can definitely see that- ESP when we need a spot for Boyle. Hester may be the one to open up his spot.

2 hours ago, The Raven said:

Is Willie Henry going to real IR or the phantom IR? I don't remember him being hurt.

Regardless, it's a shame. He needs the practice time to figure it out. He's a physical specimen. Just a freak. Kind of reminds me of Antwan Barnes. All the physical ability, and none of the technique or mental capacity.

 

Phantom is my guess.

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Camp has been out of football for the last 9 weeks or so with an injury that didn't really allow him to run full throttle until about 3 weeks ago. You can't just sign a guy off the street and expect him to be in Football playing shape this quickly. I think the Ravens will give him 3 weeks of practice time to get back into the groove of things before bringing him up. The Ravens like him more than just a returner, they still think he can be a special slot guy. I think in a perfect world the Ravens would love for Camp to be a slot wr and RS, but because of his injury history, if you can get a guy like Asa to handle it you're ok with Camp just being a slot WR. 

In pretty sure they had a plan all along to bring him back and kept him in the loop. I'm sure he stayed in football shape. I was expecting him to be activated to the 53 before ASA - but if ASA has fixed his fumbling issues he was very electric. He was a liability on defense but also helped out in other areas of special teams with a few blocks. Will be interesting to see how they utilize him. But like I said its only a matter of time before Hester is gone. My sense is Hester will be cut to make room for Boyle. Asa gets a shot in practice at returner over the next 2 weeks and depending on how he does he either gets the job or goes back to the PS and campanaro gets promoted.

Edited November 15, 2016 by January J

[mg90]

It's about time Dallas starts questioning who to start at QB.  I want this defense to make him look like a rookie!

[Tornado700]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

Sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't . Not alot of teams really run cover 2/tampa 2 type defenses often any more but they are team that run hybrid version of it like The Panthers, Cowboys,Bengels, and our team.

Why would I trust a person for advice who spells Bengals with an E? Seriously dude? C'mon man.

[jazz1988]

27 minutes ago, Tornado700 said:

Why would I trust a person for advice who spells Bengals with an E? Seriously dude? C'mon man.

 Thank you for pointing out my spelling error  

Edited November 16, 2016 by jazz1988

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, January J said:

In pretty sure they had a plan all along to bring him back and kept him in the loop. I'm sure he stayed in football shape. I was expecting him to be activated to the 53 before ASA - but if ASA has fixed his fumbling issues he was very electric. He was a liability on defense but also helped out in other areas of special teams with a few blocks. Will be interesting to see how they utilize him. But like I said its only a matter of time before Hester is gone. My sense is Hester will be cut to make room for Boyle. Asa gets a shot in practice at returner over the next 2 weeks and depending on how he does he either gets the job or goes back to the PS and campanaro gets promoted.

The only way to say in football shape is to play and practice football. He might be in great shape, but he'll still need practice time. Camp wasn't even healthy enough to run hard so it's hard to believe he stayed in top shape the last 2 months. He posted a video on Twitter about 3 weeks ago saying he's finally healthy, so I don't think him taking a week or two to get up to speed is realistic. Remember the week he was signed was basically all walk throughs because of the short week. So he really didn't practice much. So today is was basically his first full practice back. 

I think Camp will have to earn his way on the field. I highly doubt the Ravens have been game planing him into the offense over the past two months in anticipation of him coming back. And Asa can help this team in more areas than just the return game, so bringing him up before Camp isn't a surprise.

[JO_75]

Hmmmmm.... Will we expose them this week or are they really good? Also it should be interesting they have only played against 3 Top 10 Ranked defenses and only 1 top 5 ranked defense(Eagles). Now we are the number one ranked defense so it should be interesting to see what happens. Only allowing 71.3 rushing yards per game, can Elliott break through for a 100 yard game?

 

Andrew Siciliano ‏@AndrewSiciliano  Nov 10

Cowboys have faced the "easiest" schedule in @NFL (.369). Dallas is only team that has yet to face a current division leader. @NFLResearch

Edited November 16, 2016 by JO_75

[balfan23]

The Cowboys bandwagon is stuffed like a clown car right now. Lets be a nasty bump in the road for them. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

31 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Hmmmmm.... Will we expose them this week or are they really good? Also it should be interesting they have only played against 3 Top 10 Ranked defenses and only 1 top 5 ranked defense(Eagles). Now we are the number one ranked defense so it should be interesting to see what happens. Only allowing 71.3 rushing yards per game, can Elliott break through for a 100 yard game?

 

Andrew Siciliano ‏@AndrewSiciliano  Nov 10

Cowboys have faced the "easiest" schedule in @NFL (.369). Dallas is only team that has yet to face a current division leader. @NFLResearch

Granted, we haven't faced the greatest runners in the league. 

McCoy and Bell stick out. Should be a nice test to try and contain him. I'd rather shut him down and see what our rushers and secondary can do against Dak.

[balfan23]

This could be a big game for us. Not nearly as big as our division games coming up or even the other conference games, but we dropped a couple of games in that 4 game losing streak that really were expected to be wins. To counter that, we need to pull off a couple that we're not expected to win. This could be one of those kinds of games. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

10 hours ago, The Raven said:

Is Willie Henry going to real IR or the phantom IR? I don't remember him being hurt.

Regardless, it's a shame. He needs the practice time to figure it out. He's a physical specimen. Just a freak. Kind of reminds me of Antwan Barnes. All the physical ability, and none of the technique or mental capacity.

 

 

I agree. Loved him as a prospect but there was a reason he was taken in the middle rounds. I didn't think he'd do much this year, but he could be like our Gino Atkins if he puts his crap together. 

 

Fortunately, we are usually good about developing dlinemen. (sure, Carl Davis and Cody are misses). Brandon Williams, Jernigan, Lawerence Guy found a home here, Arthur Jones was good for us, Micheal Pierce this year. Hopefully one of Kaufausi and Henry could become a high level player for us. On the off chance both do... We're gonna be set on the dline for the next 5 years. 

[ravensdfan]

I have to add, that I have a new level of respect for Romo after his comments on the QB situation in Dallas.