[News] Late For Work 11/9: Ravens Jump Up National Power Rankings After Beating Steelers

[BR News]

Ravens can’t be cheap with Mike Wallace this offseason. SI.com re-draft says Ravens should’ve taken Laremy Tunsil over Ronnie Stanley. John Harbaugh becomes winningest coach in franchise history. Mike Tomlin would let Chris Boswell attempt Rabona again.

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[Fastynart]

The Ravens are 4-4 this year, with every game decided by 8 or fewer points. I wonder what our record would be if we actually had an offense?

[RailBird]

What a dumb comparison between Stanley and Tunsil. With half the season in the books we should've taken Tunsil based on the fact he's doing a good job playing the Left Guard position? What a great argument..

[fusuymada]

Love our Ravens and love our Ravens defense. Twice our defense has gotten us to the promised land and we can win if Marty can get Joe's footwork and mechanics back to where Kubiak had them. Why do I say that?

Qadry Ishmael made an interesting point on the TV yesterday (and I played it back a couple times just to be sure I heard this), He said that Kubiak was always on Flacco and made him accountable for his mechanics and follow through. He said when Trestman came and was more laid back and wasn't pushing Joe, Joe slacked off which led to his drop in numbers and horrible mechanics. If you have listened to Marty recently he has been pounding the message "getting back to details" and "execution" and I believe from what I gathered from what Ishmael said, that Marty is starting to push Joe and starting to make him accountable for his work and work ethic. I hate to think after 9 years and 120 million dollars that Joe needs a babysitter to keep him focused and working hard, but that is what I gathered from what I heard.

No one knows what goes on behind closed doors at the castle, but that certainly explains alot of things including Joe's play with Kubiak here and how it dropped off so much after Kubiak left, even before the injury.

Edited November 9, 2016 by fusuymada
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[ibleedpurpleandblack]

“He’s caught four of Flacco’s six touchdown passes and is on pace for 1,200 yards. The Ravens are cheapskates with their receivers, but shouldn’t be here.”

SIX TOUCHDOWN PASSES IN 8 GAMES IS PATHETIC!!!

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Love our Ravens and love our Ravens defense. Twice our defense has gotten us to the promised land and we can win if Marty can get Joe's footwork and mechanics back to where Kubiak had them. Why do I say that?

Qadry Ishmael made an interesting point on the TV yesterday (and I played it back a couple times just to be sure I heard this), He said that Kubiak was always on Flacco and made him accountable for his mechanics and follow through. He said when Trestman came and was more laid back and wasn't pushing Joe, Joe slacked off which led to his drop in numbers and horrible mechanics. If you have listened to Marty recently he has been pounding the message "getting back to details" and I believe from what I gathered from what Ishmael said, that Marty is starting to push Joe and starting to make him accountable for his work and work ethic. I hate to think after 9 years and 120 million dollars that Joe needs a babysitter to keep him focused and working hard, but that is what I gathered from what I heard.

No one knows what goes on behind closed doors at the castle, but that certainly explains alot of things including Joe's play with Kubiak here and how it dropped off so much after Kubiak left, even before the injury.

It's more than just having him held accountable man. He had no offensive line last year and he's go no offensive line again so far this year. Offense is all based on rhythm and being in sync. When your play calls for a 5 step drop and gives your receivers those 4 seconds to get to the spot on the field and your QB is able to make the drop and make the pass then you will have a successful QB and offense. When you are calling those very same plays that call for a 5 step drop but by the 3rd step your QB has a defender in his face or on his back it's kind of hard to concentrate on footwork when you're scrambling out of the pocket. Give him the same protection he was getting on 2012 post season and see what he can do. Look at Prescott and Ez in Dallas - their OL is a beast making holes like parting of the Red Sea and Prescott has all the time in the world back there. Give the QB some protection!!!!

[eze17]

What a dumb comparison between Stanley and Tunsil. With half the season in the books we should've taken Tunsil based on the fact he's doing a good job playing the Left Guard position? What a great argument..

Agreed. Need more time to evaluate just how valuable each player will be to his team in the long run. As I recall, Stanley was ranked way higher than Tunsil after the first three games, so this ranking is basically meaningless. Talking heads need something to talk about, however...

[eze17]

Congrats to Harbs, also. During that four game skid, I forgot that he was ready to break the record. Hope he can keep racking up more wins for the Ravens!

[Bat-mite]

I truly hope Mike Tomlin gets his wish, and tries the Rabona in every game the rest of this season. Heck, I'll take two of them on December 25!

[TheRavengers]

I just want Flacco and co. to get out of this anemic offense and put up more than one big offensive play a game tomorrow night.

[Corvus]

Put Tunsil at left tackle instead of a "redshirt" season at left guard and I guarantee you he struggles as Stanley has.

[RavenLunatic]

We're taking the lumps of Lewis and Stanley both being rookies on the left side. The plus is, if they stay healthy, this experience will pay off in the long run. Hopefully before the season is a lost cause.

[jravens1313]

Dear Media. I hate power rankings as they are meaningless buzz. I love Tavon Young.

[ellicottraven]

I am still comfortable with Stanley over Tunsil. My sense will prove right in a few years, in lieu of a knee jerk reaction by a media guy after 1 game.

[KidNme]

  55 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Love our Ravens and love our Ravens defense. Twice our defense has gotten us to the promised land and we can win if Marty can get Joe's footwork and mechanics back to where Kubiak had them. Why do I say that?

Qadry Ishmael made an interesting point on the TV yesterday (and I played it back a couple times just to be sure I heard this), He said that Kubiak was always on Flacco and made him accountable for his mechanics and follow through. He said when Trestman came and was more laid back and wasn't pushing Joe, Joe slacked off which led to his drop in numbers and horrible mechanics. If you have listened to Marty recently he has been pounding the message "getting back to details" and I believe from what I gathered from what Ishmael said, that Marty is starting to push Joe and starting to make him accountable for his work and work ethic. I hate to think after 9 years and 120 million dollars that Joe needs a babysitter to keep him focused and working hard, but that is what I gathered from what I heard.

No one knows what goes on behind closed doors at the castle, but that certainly explains alot of things including Joe's play with Kubiak here and how it dropped off so much after Kubiak left, even before the injury.

It's more than just having him held accountable man. He had no offensive line last year and he's go no offensive line again so far this year. Offense is all based on rhythm and being in sync. When your play calls for a 5 step drop and gives your receivers those 4 seconds to get to the spot on the field and your QB is able to make the drop and make the pass then you will have a successful QB and offense. When you are calling those very same plays that call for a 5 step drop but by the 3rd step your QB has a defender in his face or on his back it's kind of hard to concentrate on footwork when you're scrambling out of the pocket. Give him the same protection he was getting on 2012 post season and see what he can do. Look at Prescott and Ez in Dallas - their OL is a beast making holes like parting of the Red Sea and Prescott has all the time in the world back there. Give the QB some protection!!!!

Bologna! Joe has time more often than not to make a play. In a perfect world, we'd like our QB to have all day to throw but that's not how it goes. He needs to make better decisions because we ALL KNOW that he's NOT going to have 4 seconds every down so have a backup plan for gosh sakes. There are several options, Roll out of the pocket, Step up into the pocket, Run (As he did last Sunday) or throw it away and so on. It may be "Hard to concentrate on footwork when you're scrambling" but that's why he gets paid so well. Figure it out!
Our O line is doing fine, not great but fine. It ain't all on them!
Also, if we ARE calling "5 step drop" plays, that's just asinine on the coaches part and I doubt we're doing that!

[VermontRaven]

18 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I am still comfortable with Stanley over Tunsil. My sense will prove right in a few years, in lieu of a knee jerk reaction by a media guy after 1 game.

I agree.  I think at this point it is a ridiculous comparison because they aren't even playing the same position!  I suspect Tunsil would have some ugly games as well if he was playing the toughest position on the Oline like Stanley is.

[budman]

Very impressed with Tavon Young. Even if Wright gets healthy, no way should we take Young off the field. The kid looks DY-NO-MITE!

[budman]

53 minutes ago, Bat-mite said:

I truly hope Mike Tomlin gets his wish, and tries the Rabona in every game the rest of this season. Heck, I'll take two of them on December 25!

53 minutes ago, Bat-mite said:

I truly hope Mike Tomlin gets his wish, and tries the Rabona in every game the rest of this season. Heck, I'll take two of them on December 25!

I'd rather see their Punter which would indicate that they haven't scored!

[Crusader]

Come-on who really believes the national media anymore? CBS 13 spots get real.They also said Clinton was winning.

[Minionhunter]

  1 hour ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

  1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

Love our Ravens and love our Ravens defense. Twice our defense has gotten us to the promised land and we can win if Marty can get Joe's footwork and mechanics back to where Kubiak had them. Why do I say that?

Qadry Ishmael made an interesting point on the TV yesterday (and I played it back a couple times just to be sure I heard this), He said that Kubiak was always on Flacco and made him accountable for his mechanics and follow through. He said when Trestman came and was more laid back and wasn't pushing Joe, Joe slacked off which led to his drop in numbers and horrible mechanics. If you have listened to Marty recently he has been pounding the message "getting back to details" and I believe from what I gathered from what Ishmael said, that Marty is starting to push Joe and starting to make him accountable for his work and work ethic. I hate to think after 9 years and 120 million dollars that Joe needs a babysitter to keep him focused and working hard, but that is what I gathered from what I heard.

No one knows what goes on behind closed doors at the castle, but that certainly explains alot of things including Joe's play with Kubiak here and how it dropped off so much after Kubiak left, even before the injury.

It's more than just having him held accountable man. He had no offensive line last year and he's go no offensive line again so far this year. Offense is all based on rhythm and being in sync. When your play calls for a 5 step drop and gives your receivers those 4 seconds to get to the spot on the field and your QB is able to make the drop and make the pass then you will have a successful QB and offense. When you are calling those very same plays that call for a 5 step drop but by the 3rd step your QB has a defender in his face or on his back it's kind of hard to concentrate on footwork when you're scrambling out of the pocket. Give him the same protection he was getting on 2012 post season and see what he can do. Look at Prescott and Ez in Dallas - their OL is a beast making holes like parting of the Red Sea and Prescott has all the time in the world back there. Give the QB some protection!!!!

Bologna! Joe has time more often than not to make a play. In a perfect world, we'd like our QB to have all day to throw but that's not how it goes. He needs to make better decisions because we ALL KNOW that he's NOT going to have 4 seconds every down so have a backup plan for gosh sakes. There are several options, Roll out of the pocket, Step up into the pocket, Run (As he did last Sunday) or throw it away and so on. It may be "Hard to concentrate on footwork when you're scrambling" but that's why he gets paid so well. Figure it out!
Our O line is doing fine, not great but fine. It ain't all on them!
Also, if we ARE calling "5 step drop" plays, that's just asinine on the coaches part and I doubt we're doing that!

The O-line is not doing "fine" they are barely holding it together. And it is not just Joe getting 4 seconds, it is also their inability to open running lanes for the backs. The OP is correct and your inability to acknowledge that the line is failing this year and last betrays you. What really should be asked is when Castillo show be removed. He has been in charge of the line every year they sucked (2013, 2015, 2016), Gary took personal charge of the line and Castillo was "fired by promotion" in 2104 when the run game looked great.

[dirtybird66]

STANLEY and TUNSIL should of been flipped in the draft,STANLEY is not strong enough yet for the NFL,right now TUNSIL and LEWIS are better overall,but STANLEY will be in a couple years,but he never was graded as a run producer,they had a chance with RAMESEY,they should of picked him.

[dirtybird66]

what we really need is a QB early in next years draft to compete with FLACCO or watch whomever the VIKING let go free agency after the season,either one of those qb.s are better than flacco.after 9 years he still makes the same bonehead mistakes over and over.

[rmcjacket23]

what we really need is a QB early in next years draft to compete with FLACCO or watch whomever the VIKING let go free agency after the season,either one of those qb.s are better than flacco.after 9 years he still makes the same bonehead mistakes over and over.

Yeah not happening. Not worth discussing further.

He's locked in as our QB through 2018. Nothing is changing that.

[metalraven]

"Joe Flacco said Sunday's interception was result of bad decision, not mechanics" - YA THINK?!!

It's the under-thrown and over-thrown passes that are due to bad mechanics. The picks are just due to being dumb.

[metalraven]

What a dumb comparison between Stanley and Tunsil. With half the season in the books we should've taken Tunsil based on the fact he's doing a good job playing the Left Guard position? What a great argument..

haha

[metalraven]

Come-on who really believes the national media anymore? CBS 13 spots get real.They also said Clinton was winning.

lol. yep

[metalraven]

  49 minutes ago, dirtybird66 said:

what we really need is a QB early in next years draft to compete with FLACCO or watch whomever the VIKING let go free agency after the season,either one of those qb.s are better than flacco.after 9 years he still makes the same bonehead mistakes over and over.

Yeah not happening. Not worth discussing further.

He's locked in as our QB through 2018. Nothing is changing that.

You think it's possible that Ravens draft a QB, then when Joe's contract ends at the same time the rookie QB's contract ends, Joe is cut, and new QB takes the reigns?

[rmcjacket23]

46 minutes ago, metalraven said:

You think it's possible that Ravens draft a QB, then when Joe's contract ends at the same time the rookie QB's contract ends, Joe is cut, and new QB takes the reigns?

Nope. 

For starters, I don't recall seeing a team in recent memory draft a QB and let them sit for 4-5 years and then take over as a starter. Even Aaron Rodgers, who was drafted over a decade ago in a very different time for QBs, only say for 3 years.

The main problem with doing this is that you lose the most beneficial part of having a good QB on a rookie deal... the salary cap benefits. If you spend a quality draft pick on a guy and get him at a cheaper rate, and then he sits for four years, by year five, when you find out he's good, you now have to pay market value for him. 

Its why you see so many teams that use first round picks on QBs are better off throwing them out there in the first year and just letting them learn how to swim. The financial benefits are exponentially better.

Plus, 2019 is sort of the earliest date we would look to move on. In all honesty, you're probably looking at possibly another short extension at that point. We've seen plenty of QBs getting extensions at 34 and 35, which is right about what Joe will be at that time.

In my opinion, we're married to him for at least another 5 years.

Edited November 9, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[ravefan52]

SI had Bosa falling to 8 in their re-draft. What?!?

[Tower of Power]

The Ravens are 4-4 this year, with every game decided by 8 or fewer points. I wonder what our record would be if we actually had an offense?

The Ravens are four and four this year, etc., but they would be seven and one - had the coaches taken the points that were there to take by Tucker.