[News] Eisenberg: Ravens Aren't Going To Just Steamroll Winless Browns

[purpledown]

this game will not be a laugher in fact the Ravens just might loose.Harbaugh is still on the hot seat, this is the same old song , the same old rah rah speeches.

[purpledown]

it was amazing watching russell wilson last night, he threw an incredibly pretty deep ball early on in the game and it suddenly made me remember what watching flacco throw used to feel like - launching a bomb and expecting magic to happen rather than hoping that there was someone near it when the ball came back onto the screen

im a massive fan of flacco but it is becoming difficult to watch him throw off his backfoot and not step up into the pocket and of course some of it is down to the offensive line and the acl tear but some of it is just bad habits - the fact that it doesnt seem like the coaching staff are even trying to correct his footwork worries me

Flacco is average at best. He has to have a running game.

[Obie]

Like I said before, if your starting pitcher is having a bad day, take him out, if you can't/don't believe in mallet, get rid of him.

[metalraven]

  43 minutes ago, metalraven said:

  1 hour ago, caw710 said:

  2 hours ago, RailBird said:

For me, this is the game in which Flacco has to prove he hasn't completely lost it. If he continues to struggle against one of the worst defenses in the league he's obviously not in good enough shape to play.
I know that our O-line is playing bad and that our running game is struggling, but the number of under/overthrown passes to wide open receivers and the number of ill-advised passes is killing this offense more than anything.
If this once again continues this week, by all means, give the ball to Mallett. Just give it a try.. If that doesn't work either, fine, but at least you've tried everything to spark this offense.

In Flacco's defense ( which is hard to do right now), it really is more the O line than Flacco. Yes he has mad some dumb throws under pressure, but the O line is just not holding, you can see it in our running game also. I'm hoping with Yanda and a couple other guys back from injury it should stiffen up a bit. The Browns will be a good test for us. We better hope so because we have a much harder schedule coming up. It's only going to get tougher after the Browns.

Most of his "dumb" throws were in a clean pocket. He's jut not very good, and we need to accept that. I am not saying Mallett is the answer either. But Joe is literally one of the worst QBs in the league right now. And he was awful last year, before all the injuries.

I don't believe you.

The numbers don't lie.

[fluffy201]

this is the game flacco takes a positive step forward.

I guess the Flacco elite debate is finally over lmao

[organizedchaos21]

John,
Great talking points here. Even up 21-0, I felt that the Steelers would end up losing by only one score. The team simply doesn't appear to be that much better (or worse) than their opponents. Perhaps the NFL is finally getting the parity they desire.

Definitely still worried about this team. Despite the win, all of the old problems remained. The truth is, the Steelers played far worse! This team's only winning condition may be a strong defensive performance combined with a score or two set up off a turnover or by special teams. Not a great prospect!

Switching to a bit of an optimistic view, the OL actually made quite a few holes for the RBs Sunday. There were a few chunk plays, and a few others that were 1 block away. Considering that Mr. Stanley played (what I hope will be) the worst game of his career, we should see a much better performance Thursday night.

A quick fact check to finish up: the Ravens' 2015 win over the Browns did not go to OT. It did come down to the wire, with the Ravens scoring the winning TD on the final play of the game.

[VermontRaven]

3 hours ago, caw710 said:

I stand corrected< I meant the JETS

Makes sense now. That truly was a bad loss. The others were at least against teams that are now .500 or better

[CQ1]

I just want a decisive win on Thursday to get this train going. PLEASEE

Yes- a "decisive win", please!

[BigUgly]

Assuming the Ravens don't look past the Browns and take care of business Thursday, they will be 5-4 and in first place in the division (perhaps with a 1 game lead). If Flacco is still struggling as he has been the past 2 years, at what point to you decide to sit him in hopes of making a playoff push?

[law215]

I think the games comes down to the 2nd ranked defense versus the 31st ranked defense. As long as SSS and the starting o-line is healthy, I think the Ravens have enough to get pass the Browns who are also coming off a short week.

This is one of those games where the players and coaches can't beat themselves. No turnovers, reduce the penalties, and Harbs (take the points, no 4th down gambles or fakes).

[CQ1]

  2 hours ago, MadStorkSociety said:

  3 hours ago, metalraven said:

If I remember correctly; the last time the Ravens steamrolled a team was the Buccaneers back in 2014, when Joe threw like 5 TDs in the first half. They ain't steamrolling anybody this year.

Joe has the ability. I just hope he gets back on track. Despite my earlier post, I am still a Flacco fan.

I hope he gets back on track, too. But honestly, he's been sucking on every level. He has no fundamentals. So I ain't counting on it.

It would be great if someone would have the kahunas to put out a fan poll, voting for a yes or no to the benching / temporary benching of Flacco. If anyone who reads these from time to time, that has clout- lets get this rolling. Mallett is currently better than Flacco and deserves a chance!

[CQ1]

  2 hours ago, metalraven said:

  2 hours ago, MadStorkSociety said:

  3 hours ago, metalraven said:

If I remember correctly; the last time the Ravens steamrolled a team was the Buccaneers back in 2014, when Joe threw like 5 TDs in the first half. They ain't steamrolling anybody this year.

Joe has the ability. I just hope he gets back on track. Despite my earlier post, I am still a Flacco fan.

I hope he gets back on track, too. But honestly, he's been sucking on every level. He has no fundamentals. So I ain't counting on it.

It would be great if someone would have the kahunas to put out a fan poll, voting for a yes or no to the benching / temporary benching of Flacco. If anyone who reads these from time to time, that has clout- lets get this rolling. Mallett is currently better than Flacco and deserves a chance!

I am sure that the Ravens Brass are stuck between a rock and a hard place with this fiasco......

[JamesA119]

  2 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

  2 hours ago, metalraven said:

  4 hours ago, caw710 said:

  4 hours ago, RailBird said:

For me, this is the game in which Flacco has to prove he hasn't completely lost it. If he continues to struggle against one of the worst defenses in the league he's obviously not in good enough shape to play.
I know that our O-line is playing bad and that our running game is struggling, but the number of under/overthrown passes to wide open receivers and the number of ill-advised passes is killing this offense more than anything.
If this once again continues this week, by all means, give the ball to Mallett. Just give it a try.. If that doesn't work either, fine, but at least you've tried everything to spark this offense.

In Flacco's defense ( which is hard to do right now), it really is more the O line than Flacco. Yes he has mad some dumb throws under pressure, but the O line is just not holding, you can see it in our running game also. I'm hoping with Yanda and a couple other guys back from injury it should stiffen up a bit. The Browns will be a good test for us. We better hope so because we have a much harder schedule coming up. It's only going to get tougher after the Browns.

Most of his "dumb" throws were in a clean pocket. He's jut not very good, and we need to accept that. I am not saying Mallett is the answer either. But Joe is literally one of the worst QBs in the league right now. And he was awful last year, before all the injuries.

I don't believe you.

The numbers don't lie.

Agree! Numbers don't lie. Flacco has been very bad. From 2013 to now he has 66 TDs and 53 Ints. If you take away the 2014 when Kubiak was here, 39 TDs 41 Ints ! Wow!


Ironically from 2009 to 2012 88 TDs 44 Ints. It looks like he has regressed immensely.

[Ravensfolyfe]

Oh! Lard Flacco oh why you disappoint us sooo much,some fan told me he hasn't regressed just the o-line. Really! There are rookie qbs playing better than Flacco right now,just terrible for a so called MVP Champ to continue to suck. Soon we will boooo Flacco right out of M&T BANK!!

[January J]

6 hours ago, MadStorkSociety said:

I have always been a Flacco fan. He progressed nicely in his career, peaking at the SuperBowl. However, since then he has stalled and is now regressing. I know there are lots of excuses, OL, running game, etc.; but even with that, he should now be at a stage where he can carry the team.

It used to bother me that he just sat on the bench while the defense was on the field. Now it is maddening. Brady, Brees, others study pictures of what the defense is doing; even though their heads are full already of what the defense is trying to do. They still believe they can learn more. It's like he does not want to be great; like he is satisfied where he is.

At this stage in his career, he should know how to draw the other team off sides. I don't think i have ever seen him successfully do that. He should be fooling people with a quick count. He should be seeing the defense and calling changes that are effective.

I don't know if he needs a really good QB coach or Tony Robbins.

I agree he is horrible at doing a hard snap count. I mean awful. Nobody falls for that mess, its so blatantly obvious the way he stresses the words on 4th and short. I almost wish on Sunday when he did it that we waited until the playclock ran down and then actually ran a play and caught them off guard. Would've completely caught them on their heals-  the defense was just standing  there even making the "offsides" gesture with their hands. Should've punched it up the gut with west or even juice. Would've been an easy first down. I just wish sometimes teams would think outside the box and do stuff like that. Everything is just so vanilla and predictable. 

[balfan23]

Ha Ha ... we don't steam roll anyone. That's not the way we play. No matter what, we'll make sure everyone is kept guessing until the end. 

Browns have not won, but they have put up a fight against teams playing better ball that we have been. 

Forget all of that. Just win, please. 

[January J]

1 hour ago, CQ1 said:

I am sure that the Ravens Brass are stuck between a rock and a hard place with this fiasco......

Lol far from it. We are in a much better position than several teams who have been struggling to find a franchise qb for close to a decade. He needs to play better, but there is no question that Joe is the permanent starter regardless. Until he starts throwing 4 and 5 picks in back to back weeks like Fitzpatrick he's our guy. 

[JamesA119]

  1 hour ago, CQ1 said:

I am sure that the Ravens Brass are stuck between a rock and a hard place with this fiasco......

Lol far from it. We are in a much better position than several teams who have been struggling to find a franchise qb for close to a decade. He needs to play better, but there is no question that Joe is the permanent starter regardless. Until he starts throwing 4 and 5 picks in back to back weeks like Fitzpatrick he's our guy. 

Temporary permanent starter is more like it. If Flacco doesn't start playing well, he might be pulled to save the season. The defense is so dominant, and there are a lot of veteran that might retire after this year eg Suggs and Smith and the team is well placed to win the AFC North division. I don't think that the team will just sit by and watch him throw away the season.

[Militant X 1]

6 hours ago, The Greek said:

this is the game flacco takes a positive step forward.

I thought each of the last games were to be "the game" that Flacco takes a positive step forward?  Still waiting!

[Fastynart]

O gee, what a shock. We are not expected to "steamroll" the Browns. We couldn't even "steamroll" the Brownies. With an offense that struggles to score once a game, it is a given that the Ravens aren't going to "steamroll" anyone. Every game with this hapless offense is a challenge. I don't see it changing any time this year. Maybe next year if Bisciotti gets rid of Harbaugh.

[Rav'n Maniac]

17 hours ago, caw710 said:

Nothing and no team can be taken for granted, not the lowly 1&5 Jets two weeks ago and not the Browns now. We are not a good team ( don't want to use the word suck but it does come to mind ). We are not any better than we were last year except we don't have 15 guys on IR to use as an excuse. I loved the win over the squeelers, but if anyone thinks this team is good there in la la land.
Great job by the Defense and Special Teams, Great job on getting the win. But for the Offence.......come on man!!

True but, we do have 14 guys on IR to use as an excuse.

[Rav'n Maniac]

15 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

I feel like breaking into James Taylor's "Steamroller Blues!"

While this is a critical game for the AFC North, my guess is that to the rest of America, this is "must [not] see TV!" Hope they do away with Thursday night games after this year.

Agreed. This will probably be the least watched game of the season, if not history. There's nothing to draw a national audience with the Browns/Ravens, unless you are a diehard football junkie.

[araveninwaconc]

I agree with most people as Flacco does not seem right! He is terrible with trying to draw teams off sides! Man common get an acting class or something. Do you watch other games. He acts as if he has stopped learning. At this point in his career he should be almost elite if not! Most are right when they say Brady and the good ones always look at charts when they are on the bench! Flacco just sits over there looking stupid! I hate to say it about my qb but he has been real disappointing this year. He does not seem into it. I think he is having family issues! Something is not right he is not into this season and I believe he should be benched for Mallet! Flacco doesn't want it right now! Lets give Mallet a game sit Flacco down! Mallet can do no worse. Flacco trying to draw Pit off sides was a joke! com on man put something into it! Look at Matty Ice? Now he looks like a qb on a mission! Remember they came in at the same time. Only Matt has no ring but seems to be on his way? At least giving a good shot with effort. Flacco problems begin somewhere else and is reflecting on the field!

[Rav'n Maniac]

13 hours ago, CQ1 said:

It would be great if someone would have the kahunas to put out a fan poll, voting for a yes or no to the benching / temporary benching of Flacco. If anyone who reads these from time to time, that has clout- lets get this rolling. Mallett is currently better than Flacco and deserves a chance!

If there was ever a game for Joe to be pulled in for Mallet, this is it! Maybe it will happen if Flacco can't put anything together in the early drives. Although. I doubt it will.

[Bat-mite]

It seems to me that Flacco's current most pressing desire is to have babies and be a family man.  He has his multi-millions.  He has a Superbowl win and a Superbowl MVP.  His life is in no way impacted if he performs poorly.  He has no hunger.  He has no drive.

I wish we would have kept Bryn Renner.

[huntrgathrr]

As a long time Flacco supporter, I think it may be time to give Mallett a chance to see what he can do with this offense. Flacco just doesn't seem to ignite the offense. The lack of creativity in play calling is a big factor as well. Roll outs, [play action and draws are noticeably absent. The pure vanilla approach is not working without a dominant run game.
In hindsight it might have been better to pay Osemele. A dominant running attack combined with a top 5 defense would have the Ravens looking at possibly an undefeated record and in the drivers seat in the division.
Going forward at least the Ravens are in a position to win the division. Doing so will depend on continued excellence from the defense and key special team plays. If we can manage 11 wins it shouid be enough to win the division. Since Cincy seems to be struggling this looks to be possible. A 5-1 record in the division is essential and it starts with Thursday night's game against Cleveland.
One positive note is the last second loss to Oakland seems to be a mmuch better performance than previously thought.

[budman]

20 hours ago, The Greek said:

this is the game flacco takes a positive step forward.

Or it will define him as a/the major problem with the offense. If that is the case, then it just seems logical to sit him and see what Mallet has to offer with this O-line and the same weapons that Flacco has had to use. Not saying that will ever happen, but just seems logical.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

1 hour ago, Bat-mite said:

It seems to me that Flacco's current most pressing desire is to have babies and be a family man.  He has his multi-millions.  He has a Superbowl win and a Superbowl MVP.  His life is in no way impacted if he performs poorly.  He has no hunger.  He has no drive.

I wish we would have kept Bryn Renner.

You know this how exactly?  Do you have some inside information? That is just ridiculous.

[Bat-mite]

22 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

You know this how exactly?  Do you have some inside information? That is just ridiculous.

I'm sorry.  I thought we were here to share our opinions and have a discussion.  That's why I started with "it seems to me...."  Usually, that phrase indicates that an opinion is following.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

9 minutes ago, Bat-mite said:

I'm sorry.  I thought we were here to share our opinions and have a discussion.  That's why I started with "it seems to me...."  Usually, that phrase indicates that an opinion is following.

We are here for discussion, that is exactly why I asked if you had any information the rest of us didn't. You can share whatever opinion you like. And I just shared mine.