Week 9: The Good, Bad and Ugly vent thread

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Wow! Not even the most visceral, Raven-hating, pessimistic King of Trolls can sour this victory. Sweeeeeeeeeet!!

[rmcjacket23]

16 minutes ago, ravens rule said:

I can't find it but it was during bye week of 2014. If I remember correctly Kubiak took some things out and catered more to Joe's strengths. Nothing major though.

I found the link to it, and it SOMEWHAT sounded like that.

The issue I have though is that you first use this statement in an attempt to bash Flacco for "not processing information well", yet you then backpedal by saying that the changes were nothing major. Well which one is it?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bs-sp-ravens-kubiak-flacco-1221-20141219-story.html

For what its worth, in the article, Kubiak said the major changes were HIM listening to Joe more, and letting Joe call a lot more plays. So that would seem to be the exact opposite of what a coordinator who thinks the QB "doesn't process information well" would seem to want to do.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Good win today, much needed.

- Hate the PREVENT defense

- Our Dlineman have better hands than our Dbacks

- Our 3rd down throw the ball 4 yards short of the sticks needs to seriously improve

- Wish we could play the Squeelers all the time, because the intensity and determination to win was the best i have seen all year

 

[Ravensfan23]

49 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I was willing to give Hester a break after a couple of rough games early, but it's become a pattern at this point and I think the experiment needs to end.  It's sad because he's the best to ever do that, but we only saw shades of that in game 1.

 

46 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea same here, i thought it was definitely worth the risk.  He has shown a flash or two, but id rather have the upside of Camp.  I know i say this a lot, im still not happy passing on Jakeem Grant

Yea I think his injuries have caught up with him and being older just doesn't help him. It needs to end with him before he really cost this team another game. Of course the Ravens have more issues than him but he's one issue they can cut bait with just like Forsett. 

As for Grant, I don't think he would have ever been an option. The Ravens made it clear that they don't want a RS only. They want a guy who can contribute to the offense/defense as well as returns. Hester was a bit of a special case. That's why they targeted Reynolds in the draft because they see him as a all around play maker, not just a RS. Grant at his size will probably never be an option offensively. 

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Good win today, much needed.

- Hate the PREVENT defense

- Our Dlineman have better hands than our Dbacks

- Our 3rd down throw the ball 4 yards short of the sticks needs to seriously improve

- Wish we could play the Squeelers all the time, because the intensity and determination to win was the best i have seen all year

 

You're not likely to see any changes to the "before the sticks" throws on 3rd and long. Its a very difficult conversion to make, and most teams throw short to the open man and hope to break tackles. 

The defense knows exactly where the sticks are, and they're sitting down on all of those routes. So if you're throwing to the sticks, you're throwing directly into coverage just about every time. 

Good luck with that. You'll see a lot more balls hitting the turf and a lot more different colored jerseys catching passes on plays like that.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

10 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Castillo is responsible for technique, not schemes, and we're using the same schemes now that Kubiak was. Sooooo....

The issue is talent, point blank. Zuttah is holding us back and Alex Lewis is still not quite ready at LG.

Pretty much this. Though Lewis is likely to play RT next season. We need to retool the interior. Which is possible through the draft. 

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

 

Yea I think his injuries have caught up with him and being older just doesn't help him. It needs to end with him before he really cost this team another game. Of course the Ravens have more issues than him but he's one issue they can cut bait with just like Forsett. 

Yeah it's a shame, but I think the experiment has to end.  I think the only way that he'll stick around past tomorrow is if they deem their OL in good standing for the time being and dump someone like Ducasse.  Even then, it doesn't make much sense to keep him around, but they could for the week to see what Campanaro has in the tank, and then make adjustments the following week.

[BmoreBird22]

Big shout out to the secondary today.

I think I saw the Steelers throw out Brown on Jimmy less than five times. They did not want that match up at all, and for good reason.

Tavon Young and Powers were the lucky ducks to get Brown and they really played extremely well.

Weddle and Webb both had good games.

The secondary today was playing like one of the best in the league.

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

 

Yea I think his injuries have caught up with him and being older just doesn't help him. It needs to end with him before he really cost this team another game. Of course the Ravens have more issues than him but he's one issue they can cut bait with just like Forsett. 

As for Grant, I don't think he would have ever been an option. The Ravens made it clear that they don't want a RS only. They want a guy who can contribute to the offense/defense as well as returns. Hester was a bit of a special case. That's why they targeted Reynolds in the draft because they see him as a all around play maker, not just a RS. Grant at his size will probably never be an option offensively. 

Yea it's just frustrating seeing grants awesome td run the other week and a guy we drafted isn't even on our roster.  I swear my hate for that pick has nothing to do with him being Navy,  kind of

Also, Jacoby wasnt big in our offensive scheme, and with Grants speed he could of produced here and there on offense im sure.  I need to let him go....damn

Edited November 7, 2016 by usmccharles

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Pretty much this. Though Lewis is likely to play RT next season. We need to retool the interior. Which is possible through the draft. 

I'm not yet sold that we won't retain Wagner. 

I'd put it this way... I expect us to retain either Brandon Williams or Wagner... I don't think we basically let our entire 2013 draft class walk. We could resign Jensen cheaply because he won't be expensive, and I suppose Elam would be reasonable depth if we could resign him cheap as well. But I think if we elect to not give Williams a big extension, I think we will look to resign Wagner. I don't think we will pay top dollar for him, but I'm not convinced he or Williams is going to get huge deals on the open market anyway.

Bottom line for me... if we cut some of the players I think we are going to (Pitta, Dumervil, etc.), we're going to have some cap space to spend, and I think we will look to lock up some of our own guys first.

I like the idea of retaining Stanley and Wagner outside, Yanda at RG, and keeping Lewis around as the 3rd tackle and to compete at Guard. We obviously need a new center, and we can draft or sign competition for LG. Certainly possible we draft two offensive lineman in the first couple days of the draft. 

I'm even fine if Lewis isn't a starter. We keep complaining about lack of depth at the Tackle spots, and he looks like a just fine swing tackle to me. Not great at either, but good enough to play LT and RT if injuries occur. 

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Big shout out to the secondary today.

I think I saw the Steelers throw out Brown on Jimmy less than five times. They did not want that match up at all, and for good reason.

Tavon Young and Powers were the lucky ducks to get Brown and they really played extremely well.

Weddle and Webb both had good games.

The secondary today was playing like one of the best in the league.

Defense is a good pass rusher or two from being a consistent top 5 defense at every level. Secondary, when healthy, is improving every week, and there's some pieces there to work with long term. 

[Ravensfan23]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah it's a shame, but I think the experiment has to end.  I think the only way that he'll stick around past tomorrow is if they deem their OL in good standing for the time being and dump someone like Ducasse.  Even then, it doesn't make much sense to keep him around, but they could for the week to see what Campanaro has in the tank, and then make adjustments the following week.

I think that could happen, but i'd just cut bait. The Ravens don't really need a dynamic guy back there, though it would help, they just need a guy who can aggressively attack the ball in the air and not give up yards.  

[Ravensfan23]

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea it's just frustrating seeing grants awesome td run the other week and a guy we drafted isn't even on our roster.  I swear my hate for that pick has nothing to do with him being Navy,  kind of

I honestly think it's gonna be a pick that pays off. That's one of those pick where going in you know it's not gonna be for 2016 but you have a total of 11 picks and you can invest one into the future. Now if he develops quickly than great you have a punt returner for 2016, but realistically he was a pick designed for the future. I wouldn't be surprised if he is added to the active roster at some point this year because reports are that he's progressing really well as both WR and RS, so we'll see. 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I honestly think it's gonna be a pick that pays off. That's one of those pick where going in you know it's not gonna be for 2016 but you have a total of 11 picks and you can invest one into the future. Now if he develops quickly than great you have a punt returner for 2016, but realistically he was a pick designed for the future. I wouldn't be surprised if he is added to the active roster at some point this year because reports are that he's progressing really well as both WR and RS, so we'll see. 

I just dont buy it.  A pick for the future and he isnt even on our roster, he can be signed by anyone else at the moment cant he?  Im all about the low risk/high reward pick, but it just didnt make sense to me for him to be our pick.  I hope your right though

[JoeyFlex5]

39 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Castillo is responsible for technique, not schemes, and we're using the same schemes now that Kubiak was. Sooooo....

The issue is talent, point blank. Zuttah is holding us back and Alex Lewis is still not quite ready at LG.

were actually not using the same schemes as kubiak. we run a lot more inside zone and gap, kubiak has a huge emphasis on the stretch which we only use sparingly now.

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Easy. No bashing Flacco around here. I'm sure the lovers will find an excuse for his awful throw right to Burns because they're so damn blind. 

it was a bad throw. roethlisberger had tons of em today. but i forgot that ONLY flacco has to be perfect

[The Raven]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

were actually not using the same schemes as kubiak. we run a lot more inside zone and gap, kubiak has a huge emphasis on the stretch which we only use sparingly now.

We have gone away from the gap since Trestman got canned. You're right that we're running more tight than wide zone but Kubiak did run tight. That's all beside the point, anyway, because it's not Castillo's call.

Edited November 7, 2016 by The Raven

[K-Dog]

The GOOD:
Ryan Mallett.

So here he is.  Playing under one of the most reliable QB's in the league.  He is probably sitting on the bench, day dreaming.  Maybe thumbing through the play book, chatting with other players.  Who knows, suddenly Joe joggs ( skips / hops ) off the field.  There was no injury time out.  There was no team time out, with the play clock running, someone yells  "Ryan!!! Get out there !!! " He grabs his helmet and before you know it he is in the huddle ready to take over the game.  Not a beat was missed.  Granted all he did was hand off but when you consider he was sitting down one second and just seconds later he is in the huddle, it is pretty dang impressive.

 

[Richmond_Raven]

I was impressed with Perrimans hands today even though it was small sample size

[flynismo]

24 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

The GOOD:
Ryan Mallett.

So here he is.  Playing under one of the most reliable QB's in the league.  He is probably sitting on the bench, day dreaming.  Maybe thumbing through the play book, chatting with other players.  Who knows, suddenly Joe joggs ( skips / hops ) off the field.  There was no injury time out.  There was no team time out, with the play clock running, someone yells  "Ryan!!! Get out there !!! " He grabs his helmet and before you know it he is in the huddle ready to take over the game.  Not a beat was missed.  Granted all he did was hand off but when you consider he was sitting down one second and just seconds later he is in the huddle, it is pretty dang impressive.

 

It's like he's David Copperfield or something

[FlocksGottaFeed]

It was great seeing SSS return. He brings an intensity like no one else.

[Edgar]

I was pleased overall with tackling and the effort on defense. Really just getting to the ball and throwing their bodies around to make stops. It really is impressive considering we offer zero pressure.

Webb made some nice plays. Team should have had at least another pick.

Hester has no business returning kicks. He has no interest in contact, Makes poor decisions as a result and I'm concerned about ball security whenever he's returning.

We will have to be very good on defense. This offense offers next to nothing. Cannot run the ball, cannot protect.

Good to see some different formations early but ball will have to come out quick as pressure is pretty immediate.

There is limited space for error offensively. Can't overcome turnovers regularly and must capitalize better on field position.

Judon continues to impress and offers great effort. Get him opportunities and he will get pressure. Stanley struggled.

 

 

 

Edited November 7, 2016 by Edgar

[JO_75]

The Great: Steelers are 0-4 in their 4 games against the Ravens. Their last win against us was Nov 2nd, 2014. Since then... 

- Playoff loss

- 0-2 in 2015 against Ravens

- 0-1 against Ravens in 2016

This streak will remain in tact until our next game Dec 25 in which hopefully a sweep will allow us to lock up the AFC North and a playoff spot.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Funniest Thing: Announcer Says, "Flacco hasn't brought enough in past weeks..." he stops talking because on cue - 95 yard td by Wallace. Priceless.

[jboy19]

The Good: The Defense held their own. Kept Pittsburgh out of the game until the 4th Q. Especially impressed with Tavon Young despite a few bad coverages. The receivers seemed to play better. 

The Bad: The offense really struggled. They didnt do very much. The OL seemed rusty, Joe seemed uncomfortable. Nothing really got going for them. 

The Ugly: Dat Onside Kick. Too much James Hurst on the field. 

[BigMike]

I'll leave it to you sofa coaches to pick the team apart. I'm just going to put this W on my shelf and enjoy it!!!

[Edug27]

Camp will come up limping after his first punt return. Keep him away. 

The defense seems so much more in control with Mosley out there. Great to see him back. 

Pitta has been struggling as of late. Started the season well though.

 

Edited November 7, 2016 by Edug27

[jboy19]

8 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

Camp will come up limping after his first punt return. Keep him away. 

 

Think his signing is a forgone conclusion at this point. Can't really be worse than Hester. 

[usmccharles]

39 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Think his signing is a forgone conclusion at this point. Can't really be worse than Hester. 

Yea but do they weigh the roi on stuff like that?  Eating that money and bringing someone else in. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, K-Dog said:

The GOOD:
Ryan Mallett.

So here he is.  Playing under one of the most reliable QB's in the league.  He is probably sitting on the bench, day dreaming.  Maybe thumbing through the play book, chatting with other players.  Who knows, suddenly Joe joggs ( skips / hops ) off the field.  There was no injury time out.  There was no team time out, with the play clock running, someone yells  "Ryan!!! Get out there !!! " He grabs his helmet and before you know it he is in the huddle ready to take over the game.  Not a beat was missed.  Granted all he did was hand off but when you consider he was sitting down one second and just seconds later he is in the huddle, it is pretty dang impressive.

 

Didn't he have a completion to Waller too on 3rd down that almost went for a 1st?