Week 9: The Good, Bad and Ugly vent thread

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

can anyone sit here and say, looking at this schedule that this team has shown it can beat the teams left?

 

Yes. We can beat the Steelers, Browns, Bengals, Eagles, Cowboys and Dolphins.  

Patriots are the only team that I would say is far better than us right now. 

And this isn't to say we're a great team right now, rather its an indictment in the quality of teams around the league. 

Everyone we play has been just as inconsistent and has glaring weaknesses. 

Weve got a great Defense which will keep us in every game.... so yes we have a chance to beat just about anyone. 

Will we?? I don't know. But we just beat arguably the 2nd best team left on our schedule. 

The cowboys I happen to think we match up very well against. Our run D has been phenomenal and when you take Zeke out of the game they are a different team. Jimmy matches up well with Dez, Young with Beasley and our TEs/Weddle on Witten. 

Itll be a close, hard fought game. If our offense can come to life we should beat them. 

 

9-7 might win this division. And yes, I can realistically find 5 maybe 6 more wins. Yes we could just as easily lose 5. But idk what league you've been watching if you're counting us out of all our games going forward. 

Furthers the notion that I don't think you pay attention to the game outside of Raven/Flacco/Harbaugh/Ozzie bashing. 

[rafahash]

Resigning Brandon Williams is a must. The guy is a freakin' monster!

[terps85]

3 minutes ago, January J said:

That was when Wallace went out the game for some weird reason. Once Wallace returned perriman dropped back down the pecking order. But yeah Joe just missed him.

Yeah that was strange when he was out. They said illness, but that seems weird since he came back in.  The comeback he ran was an awesome route. I don't get why they didn't go back to him since he was virtually the only successful part of the offense for a bit.

Edited November 6, 2016 by terps85

[Cillmatic]

10 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

In 2018 we have the cap room to keep Williams, Jernigan, and Mosely. Which is what we should do. They're the foundation. You keep the foundation. If you make a few key cuts here and there we still have cap room. This center FA class is piss poor, you're not gonna find a pass rusher in FA so forget about it, and we're likely to go pick up a vet WR. And most teams don't let their corners go. 

 

Building this through FA isn't gonna be an option. You keep what's good

Williams is a free agent after this season, 2018 means nothing. He's walking.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

You have to let players walk sometimes. Bart Scott was the foundation. Chris McAlister was the foundation. Boldin was the foundation. Torrey was the foundation. KO was the foundation. You say we have the room to keep them all, but that will keep us bare minimum when we could let Williams walk and still stay stout against the run and use the cap space in better places. 

This is a great interior OL draft class, same with pass rush and corner. We can address 2 of those holes early in the draft and then reinforce the secondary with a cb signing and make a splash wr signing. We can't avoid FA anymore because we can't fill all of these holes through the draft.

Teams are not going to let their corners get away from them. And most won't let the WRs get away from them either. I the 3-4 the NT is one of the most important positions. Just saying. Pierce is a good player but who knows if he'll keep it up?

 

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Moore is definitely standing out on ST.  The returns are obviously great, but he's doing very well as a gunner, too.

And although he hasn't played much on offense so far, I actually like some of what he's done.  The drops suck of course, but I like how much trust they put in him early.  He should be a solid 4th WR for us next year.

Yea he's doing really well. This offense is so reliant on SSS and Wallace that the rest of the offense suffers unless one of those guys are hurt. It's crucial to the development of Perriman and Moore to give those guys chances. Perriman was solid today. looked much stronger in his route running. Would have loved to see he and Joe connect on that long ball

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, Cillmatic said:

Williams is a free agent after this season, 2018 means nothing. He's walking.

No 2018 is important since CJ and Jernigan are Free agents. Even if we signed Williams to a good contract this offseason in 2018 we'd still have the room to retain both CJ and Jernigan

[Warren]

Good: defense and special teams.

Bad: 0ffense. Juan Castillo will be fired this off season- Oline is horrible.

Ugly: the Steelers, lol

[January J]

It just feels good to finally get a dang win. Esp against the steelers. My mood will be 10x better, The food will taste better , and everything's just right with the world.  Let's just all exhale and take this in. Save the pessimism atleast until tommorow. Let's just enjoy this evening and watch some football knowing we're back in the driver seat in the North.

Edited November 6, 2016 by January J

[Wisdom]

23 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

the offense was awful today. aside from that 1 play to wallace what did they do??

You're right.  Outside of the one play to wallace they did nothing.  As usual.  It"s hard to get excited about this team when we have nothing at the QB position.  Dallas and the Patriots will most definitely have a field day against us.  We can continued to put the defense at risk with inept QB play.... run, run, pass and punt.  No time for the defense to rest.

[terps85]

5 minutes ago, kiwi_raven said:

One thing that really pissed me off was the steelers roughing the kicker penalty, yeah it went our way but man the rule needs to change, it needs to be the same as roughing the passer

What do you mean?

[usmccharles]

14 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Disappointed that even after changing OCs we still are not committing enough to the run. I mean obviously the OL plays a big part in that, but you can't be one dimensional AND have a crap OL 

Honestly this is something i admire about NE.  If they arent running the ball well, they will just abandon it find what else is working.  I believe they did that against us in the playoffs one year. 

Also...we really going to keep feeding the troll.  He literally offers no input, it doesnt matter that he is negative, nothing he says has any substance.  Just dont feed him

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yes. We can beat the Steelers, Browns, Bengals, Eagles, Cowboys and Dolphins.  

Patriots are the only team that I would say is far better than us right now. 

And this isn't to say we're a great team right now, rather its an indictment in the quality of teams around the league. 

Everyone we play has been just as inconsistent and has glaring weaknesses. 

Weve got a great Defense which will keep us in every game.... so yes we have a chance to beat just about anyone. 

Will we?? I don't know. But we just beat arguably the 2nd best team left on our schedule. 

The cowboys I happen to think we match up very well against. Our run D has been phenomenal and when you take Zeke out of the game they are a different team. Jimmy matches up well with Dez, Young with Beasley and our TEs/Weddle on Witten. 

Itll be a close, hard fought game. If our offense can come to life we should beat them. 

 

9-7 might win this division. And yes, I can realistically find 5 maybe 6 more wins. Yes we could just as easily lose 5. But idk what league you've been watching if you're counting us out of all our games going forward. 

Furthers the notion that I don't think you pay attention to the game outside of Raven/Flacco/Harbaugh/Ozzie bashing. 

 

 

 

Most ridiculous post of the year

Not sure if you're trolling actually.

Have you watched the cowboys?

[-Truth-]

I was very pleased with how quickly the holes closed for Le'Veon Bell. He's an absolute monster, but he didn't see much of anything until the dumps off when they were down several scores.

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea he's doing really well. This offense is so reliant on SSS and Wallace that the rest of the offense suffers unless one of those guys are hurt. It's crucial to the development of Perriman and Moore to give those guys chances. Perriman was solid today. looked much stronger in his route running. Would have loved to see he and Joe connect on that long ball

Noticed Perriman definitely struggles against press coverage.  On the long ball you're referring to, he was jammed at the line and late getting off the line.  If he can figure that out, he can really be a deep threat.  So far though, his release has really been lacking.  The good thing is that it's completely coachable.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

For the most part, I'd agree. It was more a overall observation about MM. There were stretches today though that I feel he drifted too far.

My biggest issue is with how we're running the ball. Too many shot gun runs, and getting too cute with unbalanced or trick formations.

not enough running from under center or just power concepts. 

I feel like we stick too much to certain concepts in the run game when they clearly aren't working. Yes we need to stick with the run, but not be afraid to mix up how were running the ball. 

Id love to see when we only need 2 yds on 2nd down early in a drive just put a hat on a hat and let West blast up the middle. Instead of the cutesy unbalanced counter crap out of shotgun. 

[kiwi_raven]

2 minutes ago, terps85 said:

What do you mean?

I mean the steelers player just missed the ball but hit koch and gets flagged. When we got our ST touchdown we blocked the ball, but if the punter had managed to get it through the defenders hands it would of been roughing the kicker because he hit the punter, if your diving for the block you shouldn't get called for roughing the kicker

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

 

Most ridiculous post of the year

Not sure if you're trolling actually.

Have you watched the cowboys?

Lol and what's ridiculous about it?

Theyve beat sub par teams. 

And last week when a talented Eagles front 4 bottled Zeke up their offense was garbage until the final drive and over time. 

If the Eagles coach didn't call a terrible game down the stretch and called timeout to force the Cowboys to punt they prob would've had a 45-50 yd kick to win the game. 

 

And again I spoke to specific match ups which will give us an advantage. Philly matched up well in some of those areas and should've beat them. We're even better than Philly in those same areas plus our secondary is better. 

And I've watched 5 of Dallas games this year. 

So please shed some light on what was so ridiculous about my post. Oh wait.... forgot when pressed to provide any insight or facts you "agree to disagree" or plain disappear. 

[OUravensfan]

26 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Disappointed that even after changing OCs we still are not committing enough to the run. I mean obviously the OL plays a big part in that, but you can't be one dimensional AND have a crap OL 

If Pitt was scoring today we'd have to abandon the run when it gets nothing every time.

[Adreme]

8 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

 

Most ridiculous post of the year

Not sure if you're trolling actually.

Have you watched the cowboys?

 

If you watched the game against Phil (which the Eagles let get away from them) the gameplan was to shutdown the run and force Dak to make throws which he struggled at making.  The Ravens are MUCH better at shutting down the run than the Eagles with a lot of the Ravens weaknesses not being a strength of the Cowboys.  

[OUravensfan]

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Lol and what's ridiculous about it?

Theyve beat sub par teams. 

And last week when a talented Eagles front 4 bottled Zeke up their offense was garbage until the final drive and over time. 

If the Eagles coach didn't call a terrible game down the stretch and called timeout to force the Cowboys to punt they prob would've had a 45-50 yd kick to win the game. 

 

And again I spoke to specific match ups which will give us an advantage. Philly matched up well in some of those areas and should've beat them. We're even better than Philly in those same areas plus our secondary is better. 

And I've watched 5 of Dallas games this year. 

So please shed some light on what was so ridiculous about my post. Oh wait.... forgot when pressed to provide any insight or facts you "agree to disagree" or plain disappear. 

Anyone can beat anyone. We might as well just accept this year for what it is, we're still not quite there yet, so we roll with it and maybe make a playoff appearance by winning the division in a down year for everyone. I'd like to see a sweep on Cincinnati, it would be nice if we took that game as seriously as we take Pittsburgh 

[arnie_uk]

25 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

That first Flacco pick was pretty ugly though, I think we can all agree on that

The first one? did he throw another?

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Adreme said:

 

If you watched the game against Phil (which the Eagles let get away from them) the gameplan was to shutdown the run and force Dak to make throws which he struggled at making.  The Ravens are MUCH better at shutting down the run than the Eagles with a lot of the Ravens weaknesses not being a strength of the Cowboys.  

 

you're forgetting that our offense is awful and their offensive line wont let their QB get touched. We dont have the pass rush to get to them. Also we have joe flacco who can't play a good game to save his life this year.

[Cillmatic]

1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

No 2018 is important since CJ and Jernigan are Free agents. Even if we signed Williams to a good contract this offseason in 2018 we'd still have the room to retain both CJ and Jernigan

I meant in terms of Williams. We have multiple free agents that we could need such as Wagner, I doubt we cap strap ourselves over a NT.

[OUravensfan]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

you're forgetting that our offense is awful and their offensive line wont let their QB get touched. We dont have the pass rush to get to them. Also we have joe flacco who can't play a good game to save his life this year.

Because our offenseive line and route concepts are terrible , every time we do show rhythm a holding call comes in and kills it 

Edited November 6, 2016 by OUravensfan

[52520Andrew]

1 minute ago, arnie_uk said:

The first one? did he throw another?

No, just worded it weird. Why do you ask?

[BBoogieMan]

Ugly - Run game/OL...still needs work! Disappointing coming out of a buy.

I'm watching Ty Montgomery, a converted WR to RB, out-perform our entire RB staff.

Bad - Pass rush outside of Judon. ZDS, Urban are they even on the field?

Flacco outside of the Wallace TD pass. No pocket awareness, bad INT...vintage Bad Joe

Good - ST and Def thru 3.5 qtrs

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

If Pitt was scoring today we'd have to abandon the run when it gets nothing every time.

What good does throwing every down do you if you're going 3 and out anyway?

[Bltravens]

1 hour ago, A Fish Called Yanda said:

Not even sure what I just watched.  But a win is a win.

High school football lol.

Edited November 6, 2016 by Bltravens

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

you're forgetting that our offense is awful and their offensive line wont let their QB get touched. We dont have the pass rush to get to them. Also we have joe flacco who can't play a good game to save his life this year.

The Eagles OL has been just as bad with Lane Johnson out. 

You don't have to get to Dak... the Eagles weren't hitting him all night. Take Zeke away and make Dak make throws down field in tight coverage. 

He struggled to do it against the Eagles, and again our secondary is better than theirs. 

Thats why I said MATCH UPS. Yes, the Cowboys OL is great. So... you rush 3-4 and keep Dak in the pocket and drop 7-8 in coverage and force him to win. 

The Eagles botched the game and Dak put together one drive to win the game  

 

Football is a game of match ups. That's why It's "Any Given Sunday" bc a bad team can match up really well with a good team and pull out a win. 

We match up very well with Dallas. It will be a close game. Book it. 

I love it - my post which includes actual insight, specific match up details and recent historical context (Eagles game) is ridiculous....

And why??-- uhhhhh, the cowboys OL!!! I heard they're really really good!!

 

i mean at this point any post you say is ridiculous should be a badge of honor. In essence you calling something stupid is the same as "that was a really well thought out, coherent and logical response."

Thank you for the compliment.