Week 9: The Good, Bad and Ugly vent thread

[JoeyFlex5]

32 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Y'all loved to crucify Michael Oher when he got penalized, but I don't think he ever got flagged 4 times in one game like Stanley did yesterday, even when he was a rookie for us. We should have traded up for Ramsey or Elliott because Stanley doesn't know how to block without being penalized. When he can even make it on the field he hasn't had a game all year without a penalty. Bring on the negs for frying our golden boy future franchise cornerstone of a left tackle...

wow. Rookie LT, missed 5 weeks, was a stone wall before, faces James harrison, and has a rough first game back. Were 4-0 with him and 0-4 without him and because he has played excellent with only 1 bad game under rough circumstances... 

James Hurst is better though right? I mean Stanley was only being touted as a freaking pro bowl rookie LT before he got injured.

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

All the Pees defenders make this claim and it is just pure horse hockey. Are you trying to say that one of the questions for any DB before they come here is "Do you give a bazillion yard cushion in the 4th quarter with the game on the line? No? Oh I'm sorry, you can't play here then. Thanks for coming in."

You see, it isn't about keeping the play in front of you, everyone gets that. It is about keeping the play so far in front of you, that you have zero chance of coming forward to make the tackle before they gain a zillion yards and have zero chance of ever making any play on the ball or breaking it up. This is what Pees does in the 4th almost without exception. Your statement is most likely a fact throughout the game, but with the consistency that we give those insane cushions, that is definitely a Pees' call. I do not believe that every DB we've ever had since Pees came here chooses to give those crazy cushions. It defies any logic.

breaking up the pass stops the clock.
tackling them inbound keeps the clock running.

when your offense only manages to burn less then a minute every freaking time , you need to figure out some way to keep the clock running without giving them a chance at a quick TD.

also Pees calls the play and by that lets them know what their responsibilities are.
the DB coach teaches them the techniques on how to excecute that play.
the DB themselves decide what technique they will use on that play.

when its cover 4 or cover 3 and the outside CB is responsible for the deep part of his side of the field , its up to him to decide on how he will do it.
any CB with a braincell will play at least 10 yards off the WR because it will give him the best chance to full fill his assignment.
someone else is responsible for the intermediate and short part of the field.
his only job is to not get beat deep and as long as he prevent that then he did his job.

the only time the CB should even try to play close coverage is if he is responsible for the short/intermediate part ( cover 2) or its man coverage with a safety deep.

zone coverages gives players a responsibility for a certain part of the field.
how they plan on defending that part is up them.

man cov speaks for itself and even that is up to the players discretion on how he will handle it.

Edited November 7, 2016 by Tru11

[rudywasoffsides]

10 minutes ago, DenverRaven said:

You do realize we'd have no LT right now, right? Like, we'd literally have Hurst out there every game.

The negs are because you don't seem to understand how hard LT is to pick up. The fact that Stanley is out there starting, with a rookie LG next to him is pretty much unheard of. The Ravens were the first team to start a rookie at LT and LG in 25 years. They aren't prefect? Whine harder, because otherwise you get Hurst as a permanent fixture. He also missed the last 4 games with an injury. Pretty sure an 80% Stanley is still better than Hurst.

We would have a left tackle if we hadn't run Monroe out of town. Yeah he got hurt all the time, but when he was out there we actually had a consistent running game and he wasn't flagged for holding every other series. 

 

This wasnt 1 game, Stanley has been penalized every game he has played this year at least once. Our running game is majorly inconsistent and Flacco looks uncomfortable every time he drops back. These are all direct impacts of how poorly our line is, particularly the left tackle position. Yeah Hurst is definitely worse, but at this point not by much. I certainly haven't ever seen Hurst, Oher or any other line man get penalized FOUR TIMES in one game.

 

Hes a rookie I get it, I am sure he will get better, but let's not pretend that he isn't absolute trash currently and desperately needs to improve his game. This board acts like he is the 2nd coming of JO and it's laughable 

[gtalk12]

I loved what I saw from the defense

 

Good play calling Dean Pees.....

[Edug27]

5 hours ago, Sami84 said:

lol yeah i remember that..

Joe's joe..he's awful but sometimes you have to find ways of winning with bad QB"s..

 

Like we've been successful at doing for 6 of the past 8 seasons.

[Edug27]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

actually when judon sacked geno smith and injured him i said..its over now..fitz will win the game for them.

Agree. I said the same thing. That was actually worst case scenario.

[BmoreBird22]

The Steelers went three and out TEN times.

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

breaking up the pass stops the clock.
tackling them inbound keeps the clock running.

when your offense only manages to burn less then a minute every freaking time , you need to figure out some way to keep the clock running without giving them a chance at a quick TD.

also Pees calls the play and by that lets them know what their responsibilities are.
the DB coach teaches them the techniques on how to excecute that play.
the DB themselves decide what technique they will use on that play.

when its cover 4 or cover 3 and the outside CB is responsible for the deep part of his side of the field , its up to him to decide on how he will do it.
any CB with a braincell will play at least 10 yards off the WR because it will give him the best chance to full fill his assignment.
someone else is responsible for the intermediate and short part of the field.
his only job is to not get beat deep and as long as he prevent that then he did his job.

the only time the CB should even try to play close coverage is if he is responsible for the short/intermediate part ( cover 2) or its man coverage with a safety deep.

zone coverages gives players a responsibility for a certain part of the field.
how they plan on defending that part is up them.

man cov speaks for itself and even that is up to the players discretion on how he will handle it.

I was obviously just too lazy to write all of this out... but yes, this.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

GOOD: Defense & special teams

BAD: Offense and stupid penalties

UGLY: Joe's slide

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, rudywasoffsides said:

We would have a left tackle if we hadn't run Monroe out of town. Yeah he got hurt all the time, but when he was out there we actually had a consistent running game and he wasn't flagged for holding every other series. 

 

This wasnt 1 game, Stanley has been penalized every game he has played this year at least once. Our running game is majorly inconsistent and Flacco looks uncomfortable every time he drops back. These are all direct impacts of how poorly our line is, particularly the left tackle position. Yeah Hurst is definitely worse, but at this point not by much. I certainly haven't ever seen Hurst, Oher or any other line man get penalized FOUR TIMES in one game.

 

Hes a rookie I get it, I am sure he will get better, but let's not pretend that he isn't absolute trash currently and desperately needs to improve his game. This board acts like he is the 2nd coming of JO and it's laughable 

1. Monroe ran himself out of town (and out of the league entirely). That's on him.

2. Actually, we didn't have a consistent running game when Monroe was here. In the whopping 6 games he started in 2015, we averaged 4.0 YPC on the ground. In the 10 without him... 3.7 YPC. Monroe's number was also overinflated by basically one game against the Browns, where we ran for 181 yards and averaged 5.8 YPC. In the other 5 games he started... we averaged 3.6 YPC. 

In 2014, we averaged 4.2 YPC when Monroe was playing, and 4.7 YPC when he was not playing. So we were actually worse.

So our run game changed very little regardless of who played LT for us last season, which is obviously not surprising, because it requires at least five guys blocking well in order to have a successful run game, not just a LT. 

3. Oher had 46 penalties in 5 years, so an average of 9 per year. He never had a four penalty game, but he did have five different three penalty games, none of which came in his rookie season.

4. Stanley had zero penalties against the Browns in week 2. He also only had one against the Bills. He didn't play particularly well against the Jags, and he certainly did not play well yesterday.

It feels just like a one game overreaction to me by some fans. 

Edited November 7, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rudywasoffsides]

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Monroe ran himself out of town (and out of the league entirely). That's on him.

2. Actually, we didn't have a consistent running game when Monroe was here. In the whopping 6 games he started in 2015, we averaged 4.0 YPC on the ground. In the 10 without him... 3.7 YPC. Monroe's number was also overinflated by basically one game against the Browns, where we ran for 181 yards and averaged 5.8 YPC. In the other 5 games he started... we averaged 3.6 YPC. 

So our run game changed very little regardless of who played LT for us last season, which is obviously not surprising, because it requires at least five guys blocking well in order to have a successful run game, not just a LT. 

3. Oher had 46 penalties in 5 years, so an average of 9 per year. He never had a four penalty game, but he did have five different three penalty games, none of which came in his rookie season.

4. Stanley had zero penalties against the Browns in week 2. He also only had one against the Bills. He didn't play particularly well against the Jags, and he certainly did not play well yesterday.

It feels just like a one game overreaction to me by some fans. 

I just want people like JoeyFlex5 to stop acting like he is an All-Pro or pro bowler. He isn't even close. You made some good points, but if he has played so well Joe would feel more comfortable and that hasn't been the case since he always has pressure in his face and is throwing off his back foot. Direct impact of the line not doing their job well.

 

On the positive side, if the D keeps playing like that. The O just needs to do a bit better and we should get on a roll. Hopefully we destroy the Browns and get the offense hitting on a few more cilinders going forward 

[gtalk12]

1 minute ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I just want people like JoeyFlex5 to stop acting like he is an All-Pro or pro bowler. He isn't even close. You made some good points, but if he has played so well Joe would feel more comfortable and that hasn't been the case since he always has pressure in his face and is throwing off his back foot. Direct impact of the line not doing their job well.

 

On the positive side, if the D keeps playing like that. The O just needs to do a bit better and we should get on a roll. Hopefully we destroy the Browns and get the offense hitting on a few more cilinders going forward 

exactly, once that run game gets going..........everything else will fall into place quickly

[rudywasoffsides]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

wow. Rookie LT, missed 5 weeks, was a stone wall before, faces James harrison, and has a rough first game back. Were 4-0 with him and 0-4 without him and because he has played excellent with only 1 bad game under rough circumstances... 

James Hurst is better though right? I mean Stanley was only being touted as a freaking pro bowl rookie LT before he got injured.

You touted him as that before he got hurt. Please give me a link from a national media source touting him as a pro bowler lol. Also never said Hurst was better, I said he was worse, but not by much. Certainly doesn't hold as much 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I just want people like JoeyFlex5 to stop acting like he is an All-Pro or pro bowler. He isn't even close. You made some good points, but if he has played so well Joe would feel more comfortable and that hasn't been the case since he always has pressure in his face and is throwing off his back foot. Direct impact of the line not doing their job well.

 

On the positive side, if the D keeps playing like that. The O just needs to do a bit better and we should get on a roll. Hopefully we destroy the Browns and get the offense hitting on a few more cilinders going forward 

Nobody is expecting an All-Pro in year 1. He's a rookie LT who has been inconsistent. For the first two weeks, he was probably our best lineman. In his last 2 games he hasn't been nearly as good. 

Joe doesn't always have pressure in his face... yesterday he had very little. He's got a mental block that he needs to get through. He's anticipating pressure that isn't there. There are games where the Oline has had poor pass protection, and there are games like yesterday where they did just fine, and he just didn't play as well as he should have.

[Militant X 1]

17 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

The really good -  B Will.  We need to find a way to keep him. D line was beastly against the run and it all hinges on him.

The bad - Not feeling comfortable with a 21 point lead with 10 minutes to play in the game.  You just knew it wasn't going to be a comfortable win. damn.

The ugly - Slooow play calling and clock management at the end of the first half.  That was painful and embarrassing. If they didn't get the 3 I think I may have gone T Devil.  lol

You felt uncomfortable with a 21 pts lead because with the exception of Wallace's TD scamper...the Ravens offense...once again...did absolutely nothing to further extend that lead.  The defense was playing lights out and held the Steelers scoreless for 3 1/2 quarters....3 1/2 quarters man!  And the Ravens offense pissed those chances away to really put their foot on those bums necks!  Of course, Big Ben was going to have them make a run like they did at the end of the game to score 14 pts.  They are the Steelers!  They seemingly fight hard until the end!  Had it not been for Allen blocking that punt for the scoop and score and the 2pt conversion the Steelers would have been up 14-13 near the end of the game.  Our dinking and dunking offense is pure trash!  If it is 3rd & 8, we throw 5 yrds or 3rd & 12, we throw 8 yrds and expect the receivers to "try" and fight for the rest.  Horrible!  No aggressiveness to frequently throw deep and test DB's. No aggressiveness to go for it on 4th & 1, and piss poor clock management near the end as you mentioned.  The boo-birds came out on that junk!  Glad to get the "W" but after a bye week and 8 games now...a lot of things still remain the same with this team!

 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, rudywasoffsides said:

We would have a left tackle if we hadn't run Monroe out of town. Yeah he got hurt all the time, but when he was out there we actually had a consistent running game and he wasn't flagged for holding every other series. 

 

This wasnt 1 game, Stanley has been penalized every game he has played this year at least once. Our running game is majorly inconsistent and Flacco looks uncomfortable every time he drops back. These are all direct impacts of how poorly our line is, particularly the left tackle position. Yeah Hurst is definitely worse, but at this point not by much. I certainly haven't ever seen Hurst, Oher or any other line man get penalized FOUR TIMES in one game.

 

Hes a rookie I get it, I am sure he will get better, but let's not pretend that he isn't absolute trash currently and desperately needs to improve his game. This board acts like he is the 2nd coming of JO and it's laughable 

Lol. Wow. I see there is no discussion to be had here.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

All the Pees defenders make this claim and it is just pure horse hockey. Are you trying to say that one of the questions for any DB before they come here is "Do you give a bazillion yard cushion in the 4th quarter with the game on the line? No? Oh I'm sorry, you can't play here then. Thanks for coming in."

You see, it isn't about keeping the play in front of you, everyone gets that. It is about keeping the play so far in front of you, that you have zero chance of coming forward to make the tackle before they gain a zillion yards and have zero chance of ever making any play on the ball or breaking it up. This is what Pees does in the 4th almost without exception. Your statement is most likely a fact throughout the game, but with the consistency that we give those insane cushions, that is definitely a Pees' call. I do not believe that every DB we've ever had since Pees came here chooses to give those crazy cushions. It defies any logic.

Dude - if we're in zone coverage, and the outside CB's job is to defend the deep or intermediate boundary zone, why would you press the receiver at the line??

Do you understand zone coverage? Like, covering a space on the field - not an individual player. If his job is to cover a space from, say, 15-25 yds deep from the right hash to the sideline, why in the world would you press at the line?? And when they then get an easy 30 yd completion with huge catch and run potential... are you gonna say "ok well at least he was aggressive and pressed at the line!"

Now, thats not the case on every play. But, even if we're in man, we werent getting pressure on Ben all day... so, why would you jam a guy at the line which has great effect if your front 7 is getting pressure bc you disrupt the timing. But if Ben's got all day to throw - all that does is get you beat deep. 

So, if I'm any CB with half a brain, with a 21-0 or 21-7 lead with time expiring... I'm not jamming Antonio Brown at the line even if im manned up with him. I'm gonna drop 7-10 yds off him, let him make that underneath catch, and then come up and make the tackle as opposed to giving him a chance to get behind me and get a huge chunk play without taking much time off the clock.

 

And you talk about being so far off the ball that they have no chance to break anything up... how many uncontested catches did they make?? How many of their chunk plays late were big plays bc of YAC? If we were so far off, and it was so ineffective, why werent they getting tons of yards after the catch? Oh, so we pretty much made the tackles, bang bang, on all those plays? 

Does anyone know how many YAC they got on their final two drives? I don't remember it being very much.

I also dont recall us jamming guys at the line regularly all day. So, again... my question is - if the complaint is "Stupid Pees... calls a brilliant game through 3 quarters and then gets ultra conservative late and almost blows the game... he should just stick with what worked..." point to something that he did differently. Back it up with something factual - not just the same old tired "he tells the DBs to give 10 yds of cushion!" and "he instructs the front 3 or 4 not to even try to pressure!" 

We rushed 3-4 the majority of the game. Other than Jimmy, none of our guys really excel at playing press and rarely do it. It worked for 3 quarters.

So, really - youre advocating for Pees to switch up from what worked for 3 quarters and call the game differently down the stretch. Which doesnt make an ounce of sense since we were so effective for 3 quarters. They just happened to get on a roll, hurried up to get one personnel group stuck on the field which really limits what the Defense can do, and allows the offense to see the same looks again and again, and figure out how to beat it.

 

And its not really defending Pees... but the issue isnt him getting conservative or doing anything different from what worked early. If anything, the only complaint would be that he needs to do something different late. But, I cant advocate that when its worked brilliantly for the entire game. We have a Top 5, and argument for top D in the league. idk what more we want.

But my thing is - if you're going to complain about something, at least have the relevant facts to back it up. Prove that we were jamming guys or playing close to the line early, which worked, and then suddenly starting playing off late - which led to success. Or that we were blitzing 5-6 guys often early, and then only rushed 3-4 at the end.

Up the level of the conversation a bit beyond "Pees tells em give up 20 yd cushions, and wont rush the passer" because if we were doing the same thing for 3 quarters with success - it just comes of as uneducated and whining.

I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, because honestly i havent rewatched this game to be sure. But I did when the same complaints came up in earlier games - and the narrative proved to be 100% false. So, if you feel so strongly - prove it.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[January J]

18 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

My biggest issue is with how we're running the ball. Too many shot gun runs, and getting too cute with unbalanced or trick formations.

not enough running from under center or just power concepts. 

I feel like we stick too much to certain concepts in the run game when they clearly aren't working. Yes we need to stick with the run, but not be afraid to mix up how were running the ball. 

Id love to see when we only need 2 yds on 2nd down early in a drive just put a hat on a hat and let West blast up the middle. Instead of the cutesy unbalanced counter crap out of shotgun. 

Couldn't agree more. That was so predictable and frustrating. If I can see it coming from my couch then surely a professional team knows what's coming immediately. I called it literally every single time. The runner is unable to get momentum and hit the hole hard so they often hesitate and stutter step west or east instead of just darting south for 2 freaking yards.

18 hours ago, jjengel said:

Our offense is just dreadful.  Flacco has not been good all year.  Today, as bad as the steelers were, it should have been 42-14.  Still can't get into the endzone.  We settle for a FG after picking up 6 yards after interception put us in great field position.  Flacco not accurate at all.  He was just exceptionally bad today in my opinion.  That interception is something a 9 year vet cannot make.  I'm looking at stats now and 50 rushing yards on 29 attempts.  that is bad.  4-17 on 3rd downs.  Just ugly.  I'll take the win and first place but same old crappy offense and penalties. I was optimistic the bye would show that we are not really this bad on offense, but it looks like we are. Thank goodness for special teams and defense.

 

oh and our defense was great but webb and weddle have to come up with those INT's!!!  I'll give Mosley somewhat of a pass on his, but come on man!!!  the ball was right in your hands!!!!! make a play! 

You'll give Mosley a pass for the one that hit him right in the chest but not the others? None of them should get a pass. Catch the damn ball.Mosley's was likely a pick 6 too ( unless he fumbled into the endzone) ..the only one that even slightly deserves a pass is weddle simply BC he's been lights out and makes up for it elsewhere. Plus his was more of a shoe string catch. But still- for the last 2 years we've had wayyyy too many dropped interceptions.

17 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I was willing to give Hester a break after a couple of rough games early, but it's become a pattern at this point and I think the experiment needs to end.  It's sad because he's the best to ever do that, but we only saw shades of that in game 1.

Yeah he's done. I expect an announcment being made on a campanaro signing by days end. Dude looks scared to even catch the ball. He fell down twice just trying to fair catch the ball. His confidence is shot and he's just not Hester anymore. Atleast camp will provide another weapon for us on offense in the slot.

17 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

How did they miss the hold by Timmons on Waller? That was probably a TD.  And the hold on Webb when he was getting ready to hit Ben? 

Yeah I saw both. We rarely get calls like that. I thought waller should've been more physical and just went after it though and instead he kind of just lalligagged lookin for a penalty. He needs to be aggressive and use his size. Once he figures out  how to do that he will be a problem. That one hold was ridiculous. And how about the phantom call on Orr? Without that we might've been looking at a shutout. I badly wanted to hold them to zero points. There's nothing more demoralizing than getting shutout by your rival. Instead we had to switch to that damn prevent defense and play scared. Oh well, style points don't count in the end.

15 hours ago, K-Dog said:

The GOOD:
Ryan Mallett.

So here he is.  Playing under one of the most reliable QB's in the league.  He is probably sitting on the bench, day dreaming.  Maybe thumbing through the play book, chatting with other players.  Who knows, suddenly Joe joggs ( skips / hops ) off the field.  There was no injury time out.  There was no team time out, with the play clock running, someone yells  "Ryan!!! Get out there !!! " He grabs his helmet and before you know it he is in the huddle ready to take over the game.  Not a beat was missed.  Granted all he did was hand off but when you consider he was sitting down one second and just seconds later he is in the huddle, it is pretty dang impressive.

 

What did you expect? He didn't really have a choice but to grab his helmet and run out there. That's his job. I mean yeah I give him props for being ready but that's what they're paying him for..and he's well aware he's one play away from being under center at any given time.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

36 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I just want people like JoeyFlex5 to stop acting like he is an All-Pro or pro bowler. He isn't even close. You made some good points, but if he has played so well Joe would feel more comfortable and that hasn't been the case since he always has pressure in his face and is throwing off his back foot. Direct impact of the line not doing their job well.

 

On the positive side, if the D keeps playing like that. The O just needs to do a bit better and we should get on a roll. Hopefully we destroy the Browns and get the offense hitting on a few more cilinders going forward 

See - you're trying to make the connection that Joe throwing off his back foot, and not feeling comfortable in the pocket = Stanley sucks.

That's a stretch at best. Joe's throwing off his back foot because Stanley's playing bad??? What?

Stanley played very well in his first 3 games. Did he have a couple miscues? Sure. Most rookies do. But, PFF had him rated as one of the top rookies in the league after 3 games, and I tend to trust PFF's player grades... especially when it comes to OL play. His pass protection was very good, and run blocking which was supposed to be a weakness was better than expected.

Yesterday was a bad game for him. But the OL issues are a group thing. The OL play definitely got far worse when he was out with injury, and even with his poor play yesterday, as a group they pass protected better than they have in weeks. He was up against one of the best pass rushers of this generation, and a savvy vet who has made far more polished and established tackles look silly.

It was always a tough match up for a rookie tackle, even more so coming off that injury. 

But, we're a better team with him on the field than without.... even with him playing as poorly as he did. After 3 games he was playing at a level that would warrant an All-Rookie team. Was definitely the best rookie tackle, and by a wide-margin. He's had 2 good games, 1 ok game, and 1 poor game to date. 

Its stupid to say, well he got 4 penalties he sucks. You look at the foot work and its on another level. He was hampered a bit yesterday obviously. Most rookie tackles arent paired with a rookie guard next to them either... He'll bounce back nicely... guarantee it and when all is said and done after this year he will widely be considered one of the brightest young tackles in the league. To suggest it was a bad pick, that we'd be better of with Monroe starting or anything like that is garbage.

Plus, the whole OL has been struggling. IMO OL play is more dependent on consistency, the unit as a whole, communication, and a cohesiveness between all the pieces. Thats tough to achieve with all the injuries we've had. And its clear bc Yanda hasnt been his usual self all year. Zuttah has struggled mightily at times. Lewis has also shown his rookie stripes at times. Wagner and Lewis played really well yesterday, but have been inconsistent to say the least.

Give them another week or 2 together as a unit, and their play will improve by the day. 4 penalties jumps out, but c'mon man... clearly an emotional over reaction. Otherwise his play has been very steady at worst... and his pass pro has been beautiful at times.

[January J]

2 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

We would have a left tackle if we hadn't run Monroe out of town. Yeah he got hurt all the time, but when he was out there we actually had a consistent running game and he wasn't flagged for holding every other series. 

 

This wasnt 1 game, Stanley has been penalized every game he has played this year at least once. Our running game is majorly inconsistent and Flacco looks uncomfortable every time he drops back. These are all direct impacts of how poorly our line is, particularly the left tackle position. Yeah Hurst is definitely worse, but at this point not by much. I certainly haven't ever seen Hurst, Oher or any other line man get penalized FOUR TIMES in one game.

 

Hes a rookie I get it, I am sure he will get better, but let's not pretend that he isn't absolute trash currently and desperately needs to improve his game. This board acts like he is the 2nd coming of JO and it's laughable 

No we wouldn't have- he would've likely still retired leaving us with Hurst. We made the right move. Just wait until stanley gets another year under his belt and watch how big of a difference maker he becomes.

[Acher1]

It seems the Ravens are fading in many games. Perhaps they need better conditioning. 

[Tank 92]

50 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

You felt uncomfortable with a 21 pts lead because with the exception of Wallace's TD scamper...the Ravens offense...once again...did absolutely nothing to further extend that lead.  The defense was playing lights out and held the Steelers scoreless for 3 1/2 quarters....3 1/2 quarters man!  And the Ravens offense pissed those chances away to really put their foot on those bums necks!  Of course, Big Ben was going to have them make a run like they did at the end of the game to score 14 pts.  They are the Steelers!  They seemingly fight hard until the end!  Had it not been for Allen blocking that punt for the scoop and score and the 2pt conversion the Steelers would have been up 14-13 near the end of the game.  Our dinking and dunking offense is pure trash!  If it is 3rd & 8, we throw 5 yrds or 3rd & 12, we throw 8 yrds and expect the receivers to "try" and fight for the rest.  Horrible!  No aggressiveness to frequently throw deep and test DB's. No aggressiveness to go for it on 4th & 1, and piss poor clock management near the end as you mentioned.  The boo-birds came out on that junk!  Glad to get the "W" but after a bye week and 8 games now...a lot of things still remain the same with this team!

 

ummmm......no, that's not why me and my whole family(and guessing a lot of other folks) felt uncomfortable with a 21 point lead.  While I don't disagree with much that you said, we're just too used to and conditioned to expect a defensive collapse at the end of every game.  No matter how well they have played the rest of the game it just seems to happen, and it sucks. Of course the offense was of no help, but the 180 degree turn around is maddening.  

[redrum52]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd be curious to see if she actually charts the average drop depths.

Ask them what changed in the 4th.  that will make for interesting  discussion.  People say 3 man rush, but both plays they got tds there were at least 4 rushing.  They claim off coverage, but all game long Tavon showed press and backed up off his man before the ball was snapped.  I love how it's Pees fault the offense can't get a first down or milk the clock with a 21 point lead.

Edited November 7, 2016 by redrum52

[jazz1988]

Was Alex Lewis the starting left guard or was that someone else?

[Tru11]

Just now, jazz1988 said:

Was Alex Lewis the starting left guard or was that someone else?

lewis

got highest grade on offense.

should probably stick there if he keeps this up .

[Tank 92]

TOP        Ravens 32:10    Steelers  27:50

[redrum52]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

TOP        Ravens 32:10    Steelers  27:50

For people claiming stats don't always tell the to story that's funny.  with all the 3 and outs provided we damn well should have a better TOP.

 

It's just funny to me the expectations for one side and not the other.  Doesn't make much sense.  I don't see many people saying, damn the offense collapsed in the Patriots divisional game after floundering in the 4th quarter and ending the game with a pick. That's basically the type of logic used here.

[Tank 92]

Just now, redrum52 said:

For people claiming stats don't always tell the to story that's funny.  with all the 3 and outs provided we damn well should have a better TOP.

 

It's just funny to me the expectations for one side and not the other.  Doesn't make much sense.  I don't see many people saying, damn the offense collapsed in the Patriots divisional game after floundering in the 4th quarter and ending the game with a pick. That's basically the type of logic used here.

LMAO...that's not me.  Only reason I posted that was to head off the claim that the D was expected to be tired with 10 minutes left in the game. 21 points.  They were leading by 21 points. I'm not into the offense vs. defense debate, not my bag. I'm a fan of the Ravens football team.

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, redrum52 said:

For people claiming stats don't always tell the to story that's funny.  with all the 3 and outs provided we damn well should have a better TOP.

 

It's just funny to me the expectations for one side and not the other.  Doesn't make much sense.  I don't see many people saying, damn the offense collapsed in the Patriots divisional game after floundering in the 4th quarter and ending the game with a pick. That's basically the type of logic used here.

it makes sense when you put a certain player above the team.

only reason they keep making excuses for 1 side and looking for whatever they can to bash the units that actually show up...

32 minutes and only 10 points with 7 coming on a drive less then 1 minute lol
 

 

[Tru11]

7 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

LMAO...that's not me.  Only reason I posted that was to head off the claim that the D was expected to be tired with 10 minutes left in the game. 21 points.  They were leading by 21 points. I'm not into the offense vs. defense debate, not my bag. I'm a fan of the Ravens football team.

hmmm care to list the  TOP in the 2nd half and perhaps the 4th quarter in particular?

probably would paint a different picture then the 1 you are trying to show right now.