2017-Big board

[hn68wb4]

12 hours ago, Sunday QB said:

I think ILB just moved way up on our draft board. Where should we draft that position and who fits the bill?

I'm already on record as sayinng, if Foster is on the board at #16 then I don't trust Ozzie to let him pass, and I wouldn't be upset if he were the pick, a little disappointed that we're passing on bigger needs, but he's a tremendous talent.

If Jarrad Davis is on the board at our second then I'd love to have him, I'm a huge fan and his coverage skills would be great to have. 

Aside from those two I don't see us taking ILB earlier than our 4th rounder. We have Mosley so we don't need a game breaking talent at the other ILB spot, having an Orr talent is great but serviceable will do, we don't need to move ILB up much in our draft needs. We can honestly sign a bargain FA and maybe use a mid/late rounder on a guy with potential and we'd be fine. Later we can look at a guy like Ben Boulware who's there mentally but needs some NFL level training and conditioning, maybe help his lacking athleticism a bit. I really like John Law from App St., to me he displays all we'd be looking for in our second ILB spot. Alex Anzalone is an interesting player too who can probably be had in the 4th. There are some fine options later on that we can look into.

[Purple_City39]

I don't really get the concept of thinking ILB is a big need now that even requires any consideration in the first two rounds.  We just had an undrafted player there.  In fact, since 2005, we've had more undrafted ILBs next to the "main guy" than we've had drafted players.  Not saying it's a lock that we'll find another undrafted gem for the position, but I don't see the idea of thinking we need a 1st or 2nd rounder there either

[January J]

I think peanut might take that next step  this offseason and become our next starting ILB next to Mosley. He had a mean streak in last years camp and pissed a lot of ppl off. Could be what we need. I think he has the talent just  needs to refine his skills a bit. He's nasty though. Would continue the trend of a UDFA making the team and  getting a starting job too. But yeah I don't see ILB as a need persay.

Edited January 24 by January J

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, January J said:

I think peanut might take that next step  this offseason and become our next starting ILB next to Mosley. He had a mean streak in last years camp and pissed a lot of ppl off. Could be what we need. I think he has the talent just  needs to refine his skills a bit. He's nasty though. Would continue the trend of a UDFA making the team and  getting a starting job too. But yeah I don't see ILB as a need persay.

I think something that goes forgotten in god situation is that we face leveon bell, and Jeremy hill twice a year and if we wanna do anything in the postseason we'll need to stop legarrette Blount as well, and with Brandon Williams likely leaving we can't afford a safety as our 2nd ilb 

[January J]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think something that goes forgotten in god situation is that we face leveon bell, and Jeremy hill twice a year and if we wanna do anything in the postseason we'll need to stop legarrette Blount as well, and with Brandon Williams likely leaving we can't afford a safety as our 2nd ilb 

 

Who exactly are you referring to? Also why I dont think I'd be happy if we took peppers expecting him to play there. Even at safety- he does kill 2 birds & what not giving us a returner but he doesn't have a knack for creating turnovers- which is what we need. Turnovers is what win games.

[rmw10]

15 minutes ago, January J said:

I think peanut might take that next step  this offseason and become our next starting ILB next to Mosley. He had a mean streak in last years camp and pissed a lot of ppl off. Could be what we need. I think he has the talent just  needs to refine his skills a bit. He's nasty though. Would continue the trend of a UDFA making the team and  getting a starting job too. But yeah I don't see ILB as a need persay.

I think he could be in line for an expanded role, but I'm not sure he's much more than a nickel LB.  He's pretty small for an ILB and gets washed out of run plays.  The speed and temperament are nice, but that didn't help him get off of blocks.  Maybe we just need a 2 down run stuffer and we hope Peanut steps up, but I doubt he's just going to take the job and run with it, and that's because of his size.

[January J]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think he could be in line for an expanded role, but I'm not sure he's much more than a nickel LB.  He's pretty small for an ILB and gets washed out of run plays.  The speed and temperament are nice, but that didn't help him get off of blocks.  Maybe we just need a 2 down run stuffer and we hope Peanut steps up, but I doubt he's just going to take the job and run with it, and that's because of his size.

he's listed at 6'0 ft.  217 lbs....only 7 lbs lighter than Orr. Pack on a few this offseason and I think he'll be fine. Plus the speed will help in coverage situations-which both Mosley and Orr did a great job with this past year. Mosley struggled big time in 2015 with that- so he def improved quite a bit.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, January J said:

he's listed at 6'0 ft.  217 lbs....only 7 lbs lighter than Orr. Pack on a few this offseason and I think he'll be fine. Plus the speed will help in coverage situations-which both Mosley and Orr did a great job with this past year. Mosley struggled big time in 2015 with that- so he def improved quite a bit.

I'd venture to guess Orr was playing at more than 224.  Regardless, go back and watch the preseason games and watch how easily Patrick was taken out of running plays.  It's not as simple as telling him to pack on some weight and he'll be fine.  Do we know he has the frame to support additional weight?

[January J]

9 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'd venture to guess Orr was playing at more than 224.  Regardless, go back and watch the preseason games and watch how easily Patrick was taken out of running plays.  It's not as simple as telling him to pack on some weight and he'll be fine.  Do we know he has the frame to support additional weight?

ill admit I haven't studied him much. Just going off of what I've heard. And ofcourse during the slow offseason/ training camp everybody's the next superstar according to Ravens writers.

 I do know however we need more players with attitude.

Edited January 24 by January J

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, January J said:

ill admit I haven't studied him much. Just going off of what I've heard. And ofcourse during the slow offseason/ training everybody's the next superstar according to Ravens writers.

Yep, that's always a word of caution.  I do think it would be great if Peanut steps up and takes the starting role and never looks back, but I don't think that's realistic.  He's going to have his struggles due to his size and overall small frame.

I'll say the same thing about him that I've said about Perriman.  I think he needs to take 1 step up, but asking for 2 might be a bit much.

[JO_75]

Am I the only one who thinks this QB class is weak and that unlike most years where we can count on prospects falling due to teams reaching on QBs, this year we won't be able to? I really don't see any QB that sticks out and I feel it could be similar to 2013 where only 1 QB is taken and then we end up trading down because teams we expected to take QBs take guys we thought were going to be at 16.

[Edgar]

On 12/24/2016 at 7:34 AM, Jacquouille said:

A bit bored right now, so I'll try my very first big board ever. Here goes:

 

2017 top prospects
1. Myles Garrett
2. Jonathan Allen
3. Reuben Foster
4. Jamal Adams
5. Mike Williams
6. Dalvin Cook
7. Leonard Fournette
8. Tim Williams
9. Quincy wilson
10. Malik McDowell
11. Solomon Thomas
12. Takk McKinley
13. Sidney Jones
14. Derek Barnett
15. Marshon Lattimore
16. Carl Lawson
17. Gareon Conley
18. Caleb Brantley
19. Charles Harris
20. Zach Cunningham
21. Justin Evans
22. Jarrad Davis
23. OJ Howard
24. Quenton Nelson
25. Jabrill Peppers
26. Taco Charlton
27. Budda Baker
28. Raekwon McMillan
29. Pat Elflein
30. Cordrea Tankersley
31. Demarcus Walker
32. Jourdan Lewis 

I'm glad to see someone include Oj Howard. There's a good chance he's the BPA when we pick.

 

[RavensDieHard21]

On January 23, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Purple_City39 said:

I don't really get the concept of thinking ILB is a big need now that even requires any consideration in the first two rounds.  We just had an undrafted player there.  In fact, since 2005, we've had more undrafted ILBs next to the "main guy" than we've had drafted players.  Not saying it's a lock that we'll find another undrafted gem for the position, but I don't see the idea of thinking we need a 1st or 2nd rounder there either

It's not a big need at all and I'd rather just apply next man up and focus on other crucial areas, but for God's sake if Reuben Foster is there at 16, you undoubtedly take him. He is a top 5 talent and probably best LB coming out since Kuechly. 

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, JO_75 said:

Am I the only one who thinks this QB class is weak and that unlike most years where we can count on prospects falling due to teams reaching on QBs, this year we won't be able to? I really don't see any QB that sticks out and I feel it could be similar to 2013 where only 1 QB is taken and then we end up trading down because teams we expected to take QBs take guys we thought were going to be at 16.

I think that Watson goes top 10 no matter what. He is a really good player. Trubisky and Kizer are guys that will likely slide past our pick of I had to guess. Shanahan isn't rumored to be headed to San Fran so he'll work miracles with Kap. Bears still have that bum Cutler, but it is hard to pass on Allen or Foster at that spot. Jets though, i think they take Watson and then the pressure is on the Browns, but everyone says they are all about BPA now so who knows. 

[RavensDieHard21]

53 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I'm glad to see someone include Oj Howard. There's a good chance he's the BPA when we pick.

 

At 16? You're higher than a kite. 

[trevorsteadman]

On 1/23/2017 at 5:19 AM, hn68wb4 said:

I'm already on record as sayinng, if Foster is on the board at #16 then I don't trust Ozzie to let him pass, and I wouldn't be upset if he were the pick, a little disappointed that we're passing on bigger needs, but he's a tremendous talent.

If Jarrad Davis is on the board at our second then I'd love to have him, I'm a huge fan and his coverage skills would be great to have. 

Aside from those two I don't see us taking ILB earlier than our 4th rounder. We have Mosley so we don't need a game breaking talent at the other ILB spot, having an Orr talent is great but serviceable will do, we don't need to move ILB up much in our draft needs. We can honestly sign a bargain FA and maybe use a mid/late rounder on a guy with potential and we'd be fine. Later we can look at a guy like Ben Boulware who's there mentally but needs some NFL level training and conditioning, maybe help his lacking athleticism a bit. I really like John Law from App St., to me he displays all we'd be looking for in our second ILB spot. Alex Anzalone is an interesting player too who can probably be had in the 4th. There are some fine options later on that we can look into.

If Foster is on the board at #16 the team better take him. The guy looks like the best inside linebacker to come out since Keuchly.

[trevorsteadman]

9 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

It's not a big need at all and I'd rather just apply next man up and focus on other crucial areas, but for God's sake if Reuben Foster is there at 16, you undoubtedly take him. He is a top 5 talent and probably best LB coming out since Kuechly. 

I read your post after what I posted and I'm glad we agree lol

[Edgar]

10 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

At 16? You're higher than a kite. 

Have you watched him? Question is rhetorical as I'm assuming you have but a lot of the guys projected ahead of him are not as good at their position (corner, for example ), as he is at tight end.

Perhaps they are more "valued" positionally  by some but Howard is special and he's ready now. If we go BPA, and certain guys are off the board, he could be the pick.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I read your post after what I posted and I'm glad we agree lol

Spot on analysis there friend. 

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

Have you watched him? Question is rhetorical as I'm assuming you have but a lot of the guys projected ahead of him are not as good at their position (corner, for example ), as he is at tight end.

Perhaps they are more "valued" positionally  by some but Howard is special and he's ready now. If we go BPA, and certain guys are off the board, he could be the pick.

Well if that is what you think then we will see. I don't see that at all. We still have to make a move with Pitta. We have Maxx that has the tools but needs the time to develop, same goes for Boyle. Then somehow Gilmore is still there too so I think Howard is just a wasted pick, plus TE is one of those positions that rookies rarely ever excel at first year. 

It is hard to say Howard is better at his position then others, when CB, WR and Edge are all typically regarded as more crucial positions in the current pass first league. 

At 16 we have the potential to land Corey Davis who looks like a total package receiver, or, Sidney Jones or Marshon Lattimore who are both some of the most technically sound corners to come out in a few years. I also wouldn't rule out Barnett or Soloman Thomas from being at 16 either.

[rossihunter2]

On 26/01/2017 at 4:57 AM, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think that Watson goes top 10 no matter what. He is a really good player. Trubisky and Kizer are guys that will likely slide past our pick of I had to guess. Shanahan isn't rumored to be headed to San Fran so he'll work miracles with Kap. Bears still have that bum Cutler, but it is hard to pass on Allen or Foster at that spot. Jets though, i think they take Watson and then the pressure is on the Browns, but everyone says they are all about BPA now so who knows. 

there's no way the 49ers don't bring in another qb to at least compete - i especially dont think the browns are picking a qb at #1 so the niners might literally have their pick of all the qbs - i think the bears will probably have to take 1, the jets too, and the browns may well take one at 12 - there's also, significantly, at this point what looks like a clear 2nd tier of qbs of about 3 or 4 as well who i can see going early in the 2nd if a team doesnt get the qb they want in the first which might add value to our 2nd round pick too

id be hard pressed to imagine that given who's picking before us that the 3 top qbs arent gone: the browns pick twice, the 49ers, the bears, the jets, the bills (given they are getting rid of tyrod it seems) - 6 chances for qbs to go in front of us

you could maybe even include arizona looking for their future qb but if they do i see that as more likely an option in round 2/3

it may be that the quality is too poor for all of those teams in the 1st but I just think that at least 3 of them are gonna take the chance to grab their guy before the 2nd tier

[JoeyFlex5]

i like evan engram a lot more for us than OJ howard. i think he fills that pitta/boldin void better than anyone in the class, nobody boxes out and highpoints better than him except for mike williams, and he has the burst and speed and quickness to turn big plays upfield often and be a deep threat, he runs really solid routes and just has an all around dangerous skillset. 

i liked oj howard as a sleeper for us(more as a seam guy than a real TE) until i saw evan engram, i think this kid fits the mold perfectly for us. he just really looks the part of joes go-to-guy.

[rossihunter2]

Here's my current big board work in progress - i have 29 players with 1st round grades at the moment (excluding qbs) with around 4 vague tiers of value given the ravens have the 16th pick - I have a larger big board but i think it's way too early to be posting definitive stuff like that - this is also with the proviso that there are a number of players on this board that I have not seen a huge amount of film on - in fact this board has changed slightly in hard copy form already from this version but given how much it will change over the next few months I'm not too worried about it being a few hours out of date given that i think the only change is where i have teez tabor ranked

I'd also like to mention that there being 3 first round qbs + 29 first round grade prospects = 32 was entirely coincidental and unplanned - i expect by the time we get to the draft the number of first round grades I have will be lower

 

Myles Garrett	Pull the Trigger
Jonathan Allen
Malik Hooker
Jamal Adams
Reuben Foster
Marshon Lattimore
Derek Barnett
Leonard Fournette
Mike Williams
Sidney Jones	Make the pick
Corey Davis
Dalvin Cook
Quincy Wilson
TJ Watt
Solomon Thomas
Charles Harris
Cam Robinson	Trade back into the 20s
Dan Feeney
Gareon Conley
Ryan Ramcyzk
Tradavius White
OJ Howard
Forest Lamp	Trade out of the 1st round
Adoree Jackson
Malik Mcdowell
David Njoku
Jabrill Peppers
Teez Tabor
Takk Mckinley

[RavensDieHard21]

This QB class is weak. Only Watson deserves to go top 10. We will see how desperate other franchises are

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

This QB class is weak. Only Watson deserves to go top 10. We will see how desperate other franchises are

i think you could see 3 qbs go at the top of the draft though - there are too many teams desperate for qbs at the top and 3 qbs who are of comparable value - there are at least 5 qb needy teams picking in the top 10 and cleveland has a 2nd pick at 12 so that's 6 chances for a qb to go - the fact that there are only 3 qbs near the top may force those guys to all take one because there is no position more valuable - depending on how any one of those 5 teams feels about patrick mahomes, we could maybe even see 4 qbs go - now im not saying they should go or that it would be a good decision in each spot but i think they might go

browns should take a qb with one of their first 2 picks, 49ers should take a qb with their 2nd pick (especially if the browns took garrett with their first pick), bears should take a qb at #3 (but i see them taking jonathan allen in stead), jets should take a qb at 6, bills should take a qb at 10 if they definitely don't keep tyrod, browns should jump ahead of the bills and get their guy at 9 but if only 2 qbs have come off the board at this point they should take one at 12

this is not even to mention the fact that arizona might consider a qb for the future at 13 (i think they'll wait until round 2/3 if they are gonna take 1 though)

there is also no depth beyond the top 5-6 qbs this year really so it might mean teams have to really reach for their qb --> all of this only helps us especially as these qbs are far from solid prospects

[RavensDieHard21]

I am praying to God that 3QBs go, both RBs, and the top two Ts. Assuming Garrett goes 1, then there would only be 7 other prospects taken. Allen, Hooker, Lattimore, Adams, Foster, most likely Barnett, then it would get tricky. 

Does M. Williams survive if Davis goes first? How about Barnett? Sidney Jones? 

I think we will land a stud. 

[January J]

On 1/25/2017 at 10:26 PM, JO_75 said:

Am I the only one who thinks this QB class is weak and that unlike most years where we can count on prospects falling due to teams reaching on QBs, this year we won't be able to? I really don't see any QB that sticks out and I feel it could be similar to 2013 where only 1 QB is taken and then we end up trading down because teams we expected to take QBs take guys we thought were going to be at 16

i agree and disagree . I think the class is weak..but qbs always move up closer to draft time and teams always reach for them no matter what. Id venture to almost  guarentee Atleast 2 will go before we pick. 

[Drew P]

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/30/14437194/2017-nfl-mock-draft-senior-bowl-haason-reddick-oj-howard

Passing on Reuben Foster?

[TurkishRaven]

On 1/28/2017 at 0:03 AM, RavensDieHard21 said:

This QB class is weak. Only Watson deserves to go top 10. We will see how desperate other franchises are

I think last year's class was weaker. Imo we will see 3 qb picks in top 10 this year.

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, TurkishRaven said:

I think last year's class was weaker. Imo we will see 3 qb picks in top 10 this year.

i hope so - but i can see that third guy go at number 12 to the browns as well - either way i think there's a pretty high chance at least 3 qbs go ahead of us - maybe even 4 if someone falls in love with patrick mahomes - there's too many teams ahead of us who need qbs and not enough qbs so hopefully they all reach to make sure they get a guy -  49ers, bears, jets, bills, browns twice and maybe even arizona could all take qbs ahead of us - that's a lot of chances for qbs to go