2017 DB Thread

[jboy19]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

People said the same thing about Cyrus Jones but Ozzie didn't take him. In fact if you want I think Bill has taken more or equally as many Alabama players lately. I don't particularly care for Humphrey but yeah. I think we'll address CB before he goes and I think we'll double dip with a mid round pick. I think a safety is also likely and while I hear Canady mentioned as a CB I think I recall seeing him play more safety before his injury so we may see his future there. 

I actually think Belichick overdrafted Cyrus Jones by a lot which prevented the Ravens from getting him, but it might have led to Tavon getting drafted, so i have no complaints. 

I haven't looked in depth at Humphrey yet, but from what Ive seen he isn't in the same territory as a guy like Wilson or Sidney Jones. 

Canady is intriguing, but I'm not sure he'll ever be anything but a special teams player. 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, jboy19 said:

I actually think Belichick overdrafted Cyrus Jones by a lot which prevented the Ravens from getting him, but it might have led to Tavon getting drafted, so i have no complaints. 

I haven't looked in depth at Humphrey yet, but from what Ive seen he isn't in the same territory as a guy like Wilson or Sidney Jones. 

Canady is intriguing, but I'm not sure he'll ever be anything but a special teams player. 

 

I have a hard time believing we would've taken jones over young. Similar measurements but young was dominant at temple. The SEC hype compared to a cb from temple was the difference there I think

[mc_red23]

 

5 hours ago, jboy19 said:

I actually think Belichick overdrafted Cyrus Jones by a lot which prevented the Ravens from getting him, but it might have led to Tavon getting drafted, so i have no complaints. 

I haven't looked in depth at Humphrey yet, but from what Ive seen he isn't in the same territory as a guy like Wilson or Sidney Jones. 

Canady is intriguing, but I'm not sure he'll ever be anything but a special teams player. 

 

NE drafting Jones that early surprised me so much. It did make me laugh though after seeing so many people (including myself) picking him in like the 4th or 5th round in our mocks. 

[ravensnation5220]

With all the corners in this class I think we have a good chance of getting an instant contributer to our team in the early rounds. It's hard to rank them since there's so many. I'll take a crack at trying to rank the top 10 based on the film I've seen. 

1. Marshon lattimore

2. Quincy Wilson

3. Sidney jones

4. Cordrea tankersly

5. Desmond king

6. Jalen Tabor

7. Adoree jackson

8. Marlon Humphrey

9. Jourdan Lewis

10. Gareon Conley

I didn't put any reasoning otherwise this post would be way too long. If you have questions on my rankings or just to make a comment go ahead. I'm all up for discussion 

[Darhk_Raven]

24 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

With all the corners in this class I think we have a good chance of getting an instant contributer to our team in the early rounds. It's hard to rank them since there's so many. I'll take a crack at trying to rank the top 10 based on the film I've seen. 

1. Marshon lattimore

2. Quincy Wilson

3. Sidney jones

4. Cordrea tankersly

5. Desmond king

6. Jalen Tabor

7. Adoree jackson

8. Marlon Humphrey

9. Jourdan Lewis

10. Gareon Conley

I didn't put any reasoning otherwise this post would be way too long. If you have questions on my rankings or just to make a comment go ahead. I'm all up for discussion 

These are the guys I would be happy with. But Conley is one that a lot of people think can be good, even better than Lattimore at some point.  

Edited January 14 by Darhk_Raven

[ravensnation5220]

3 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

These are the guys I would be happy with. But Conley is one that a lot of people think can be good, even better than Lattimore at some point.  

I think conley could be ranked higher. He just gets overlooked and it's such a tight group but they all have emense potential. That's what makes this class so great

[757RavensFan]

My co-worker's son is Chuck Clark, the FS for Virginia Tech. Any of you guys have a draft analysis on him?

Edited January 15 by 757RavensFan

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

My co-worker's son is Chuck Clark, the FS for Virginia Tech. Any of you guys have a draft analysis on him?

VT alum here, so I watch tons of games... well, every game, but he's not one that really stands out as a really great draft prospect, but he means so much to the Virginia Tech defense because he's just smart and plays sound football. He isn't gonna go out there and make these mind blowing plays, but he's not going to give them up, either.

He's not one I ever really felt was a legit draftable player, so I never paid more attention, but he's a really solid college player.

[jdynamite]

CB is deep this year, it's crazy as the college season went on Desmond King and T.White seemed to disappear on mock drafts.

 

Teez (Jalon)Tabor is a solid first rounder, so is Quincy Wilson the player opposite him. 

I really like Sidney Jones from Washington, very good man coverage skills. 

If we don't get a corner in the first or second round this year, then they don't want to improve talent or depth at the position. 

[jdynamite]

On 1/15/2017 at 8:14 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

VT alum here, so I watch tons of games... well, every game, but he's not one that really stands out as a really great draft prospect, but he means so much to the Virginia Tech defense because he's just smart and plays sound football. He isn't gonna go out there and make these mind blowing plays, but he's not going to give them up, either.

He's not one I ever really felt was a legit draftable player, so I never paid more attention, but he's a really solid college player.

Completely unrelated but since you mentioned being a VT alum. 

I really like that sophomore LB Tremaine Edmunds 6'5" 236 that kid flies around the field and he's really physical.  I'm a Hurricanes fan and the way Tr.Edmunds impacted that game this year reminded me of how Jalen Ramsey kind of made a few plays to fuel FSU over Miami his sophomore year. 

If that dude doesn't get mocked highly next year I'd be shocked 

[BmoreBird22]

6 hours ago, jdynamite said:

Completely unrelated but since you mentioned being a VT alum. 

I really like that sophomore LB Tremaine Edmunds 6'5" 236 that kid flies around the field and he's really physical.  I'm a Hurricanes fan and the way Tr.Edmunds impacted that game this year reminded me of how Jalen Ramsey kind of made a few plays to fuel FSU over Miami his sophomore year. 

If that dude doesn't get mocked highly next year I'd be shocked 

I can't say I singled him out or anything, but I always hear his name and unlock many front seven players at VT, he's got NFL size.

Bud Foster just knows how to get them playing at a high level up front

[ravensnation5220]

Just looked at a bunch of tape of Gareon conley. He might have the best man to man cover skills in this class. The best part about him. He ALWAYS turns his head to locate the football. Rarely called for PI and that's something I covet in a corner. Too many guys put themselves in great position but never turn their head. The Texans were a prime example of that vs the patriots

[rmw10]

This CB group is stacked and I'll be pretty upset if we don't walk away with a guy in the top 2 rounds, unless one of those guys falls to round 3 of course.  Lattimore, Jones, Conley, Wilson, and Tankersley would be my top guys.  Still up and down on Tabor and Humphrey.  I even like White, Sutton, Jackson, Lewis, Awuzie, Douglas, and King as secondary options.

[January J]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Just looked at a bunch of tape of Gareon conley. He might have the best man to man cover skills in this class. The best part about him. He ALWAYS turns his head to locate the football. Rarely called for PI and that's something I covet in a corner. Too many guys put themselves in great position but never turn their head. The Texans were a prime example of that vs the patriots

That's my biggest pet peeve when it comes to corners. So yes- that's a skillset I really covet. Haven't seen his tape tho so can't say so for myself.

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Just looked at a bunch of tape of Gareon conley. He might have the best man to man cover skills in this class. The best part about him. He ALWAYS turns his head to locate the football. Rarely called for PI and that's something I covet in a corner. Too many guys put themselves in great position but never turn their head. The Texans were a prime example of that vs the patriots

Yes, Conley is the best pure cover corner, I haven't had the occasion to talk about him but when you talk about running stride for stride with a player and making a play on the ball, nobody does that as well as him. The reason why he's not the highest graded on my board is because his run defense and tackling is really a major concern for now.

 

Edited January 17 by Jacquouille

[JonnyBaltimore]

New Top 50 prospects D. Jeremiah

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775479/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2017-nfl-draft

We have Sidney Jones as the 2nd best CB off the board behind Lattimore

[RavensDieHard21]

14 hours ago, jdynamite said:

CB is deep this year, it's crazy as the college season went on Desmond King and T.White seemed to disappear on mock drafts.

 

Teez (Jalon)Tabor is a solid first rounder, so is Quincy Wilson the player opposite him. 

I really like Sidney Jones from Washington, very good man coverage skills. 

If we don't get a corner in the first or second round this year, then they don't want to improve talent or depth at the position. 

Perhaps corner doesn't work out early, I think there will still be a lot of value picks we could get at corner in the third or a trade up back into the second. I think Kevin King from Washington is one as well as Conley wil likely be in the second as well. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Yes, Conley is the best pure cover corner, I haven't had the occasion to talk about him but when you talk about running stride for stride with a player and making a play on the ball, nobody does that as well as him. The reason why he's not the highest graded on my board is because his run defense and tackling is really a major concern for now.

 

I think you gotta give that title to Sidney jones. Definitely think he's the best cover and ball skills package period, especially since he appears so scheme diverse, he does tight, off, and zone all very well. 

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

New Top 50 prospects D. Jeremiah

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775479/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2017-nfl-draft

We have Sidney Jones as the 2nd best CB off the board behind Lattimore

 Takk undersized? Barnett not athletic? Solomon Thomas has good bend? Does he watch film? Lol

[rmw10]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

 Takk undersized? Barnett not athletic? Solomon Thomas has good bend? Does he watch film? Lol

Yes.  He does, and he's actually one of the best draft guys out there.

[ravensnation5220]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Yes.  He does, and he's actually one of the best draft guys out there.

Well some of the things he said didnt seem to fit. 

[rmw10]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Well some of the things he said didnt seem to fit. 

Remember that these guys have a ton more tape and resources than we do.  Fans are often playing catch up to analysts who are playing catch up to teams.

[rmw10]

Other than watching him live, I haven't seen anything of Marshon Lattimore to this point.  I'm really excited to watch him at some point this week.  He's getting a lot of play since he officially declared and I'm really looking forward to seeing if I walk away with the same opinion.  Watching him live was enough to put him in my top tier of CBs, so I'd say that's a good sign.

[Jacquouille]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think you gotta give that title to Sidney jones. Definitely think he's the best cover and ball skills package period, especially since he appears so scheme diverse, he does tight, off, and zone all very well. 

Before anything else, have you watched Conley? Not intending to be mean, I just never read your opinion about him so I'd be interested. You know I'm a bit cold recently on Jones, really liked him coming into the season but going back to the tape he looked slow despite having fluid hips and definitely elite ball skills. 

Conley is so quick in his movements and he's a bit more raw than Jones but his ceiling is huge.

[DomMcRaven]

6 hours ago, rmw10 said:

This CB group is stacked and I'll be pretty upset if we don't walk away with a guy in the top 2 rounds, unless one of those guys falls to round 3 of course.  Lattimore, Jones, Conley, Wilson, and Tankersley would be my top guys.  Still up and down on Tabor and Humphrey.  I even like White, Sutton, Jackson, Lewis, Awuzie, Douglas, and King as secondary options.

I hope we can get one in the first two rounds and another in the mid-rounds (regardless who it is).

[ravensnation5220]

So watched a ton of corners being interviewed and not very impressed to say the least. Gareon conley, lattimore, tankersly, q wilson, tabor do not impress me in any regard. Actually lattimore said he doesn't pay attention to the things he posts on Twitter. Be careful young blood 

http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/27549/beware-future-draft-classes-ozzie-newsome-watches-your-social-media

Some who did well with interviews were humphrey, t white, king and Jones didn't do too bad for himself

I really think good character is something we covet highly and effects how we rank players. More so than some might think. Last 2 draft classes are a good example of that

[rmw10]

28 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

So watched a ton of corners being interviewed and not very impressed to say the least. Gareon conley, lattimore, tankersly, q wilson, tabor do not impress me in any regard. Actually lattimore said he doesn't pay attention to the things he posts on Twitter. Be careful young blood 

http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/27549/beware-future-draft-classes-ozzie-newsome-watches-your-social-media

Some who did well with interviews were humphrey, t white, king and Jones didn't do too bad for himself

I really think good character is something we covet highly and effects how we rank players. More so than some might think. Last 2 draft classes are a good example of that

You're probably reading a bit too far into this.  Look at some of the current players and tell me that every single one of them would have impressed you in an interview.  I think we pay attention to guys with good heads on their shoulders, but not to the extent that a poor interview with the media would seriously affect their grade.

Edited January 18 by rmw10

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

You're probably reading a bit too far into this.  Look at some of the current players and tell me that every single one of them would have impressed you in an interview.  I think we pay attention to guys with good heads on their shoulders, but not to the extent that a poor interview with the media would seriously affect their grade.

Well if there are 2 players who are too close to call on the draft board I would see character as the variable for which should be ranked higher. That's how I honestly think they go about ranking their board. They said they had Stanley ranked higher than tinsel and everyone here thought quite the opposite. The underlining aspect? Character and that was before his video leaked. Nobody really thought tunsil had off feild issues prior

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Well if there are 2 players who are too close to call on the draft board I would see character as the variable for which should be ranked higher. That's how I honestly think they go about ranking their board. They said they had Stanley ranked higher than tinsel and everyone here thought quite the opposite. The underlining aspect? Character and that was before his video leaked. Nobody really thought tunsil had off feild issues prior

Tunsil is a very unique case as there was 0 time to research what happened in that situation.  I agree if prospects are close, but it's going to be much more than that that goes into it.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Before anything else, have you watched Conley? Not intending to be mean, I just never read your opinion about him so I'd be interested. You know I'm a bit cold recently on Jones, really liked him coming into the season but going back to the tape he looked slow despite having fluid hips and definitely elite ball skills. 

Conley is so quick in his movements and he's a bit more raw than Jones but his ceiling is huge.

i like conley, i gave him a quick watch about a week or so ago and came away impressed, but i would have to watch again to give a specific opinion on his traits and what not. he appeared to  be a first round talent at first glance, but watching sidney jones at first glance i was more than impressed, i declared him my top corner after watching 3 games about midway through the season and havent budged on that stance since(which is rare for me because im always flip flopping). 

ill give him and lattimore another watch when i get a chance and ill get back to you on this