2017 DB Thread

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, Rebel Raven said:

Call me crazy but i really hope we take a corner in the first. Sidney Jones is my favorite prospect in this class. With Jimmy, Jones and Tavon i feel like even if the 4 man pass rush is still only mediocre we'd have more coverage sacks and be more confident in sending some more blitzes. I'd feel confident that Suggs, Doom (if not cut), Judon, Jernigan, ZDS, Kaufusi (sp), or likely a rookie would be able to get there with another second or two from the coverage. All depends on how the board falls however.

Good that you say that, I was looking for a way to say that too. I've been convinced that we need to go pass rusher in round 1 for monthes now because afterwards the depth is weak, but looking at where we stand I just don't see enough value if Williams and Barnett are gone. I would be ok with Charles Harris but when you compare him to the CBs that will be available, I'd go CB and I think Ozzie will too. 

[hn68wb4]

Of the ones I've watched, wouldn't really be fair for me to include the others.

1. Quincy Wilson
2. Sidney Jones
3. Cordrea Tankersley
4. Jourdan Lewis
5. Teez Tabor
6. Marlon Humphrey
7. Desmond King - I know many around here are fans, I'm just not.
8. Kevin King

WILDCARD - Rasul Douglas - coverage wise, from what I've seen, he's as good as anyone, and being a big press corner he fits what we're probably looking for. That being said, for a big press corner he can't tackle, and even worse he doesn't look like a willing tackler either which is a disaster for a press guy. Also inexperienced being a one year starter. Definitely has ball skills, definitely has instincts, defintiely athletic enough to undercut routes and get the interception, and how well he played this year is especially good looking at the defense he played in, as PFF outlined well, in the WVU defense the secondary is under particular pressure as they run a 3-3-5 - meaning they only rush 3 guys most of the time. Not quite sure where I'd slot him yet, could be anywhere in that list, watching more will give me a better idea, in due time my friends.

Haven't watched Marshon Lattimore or Gareon Conley, sorry OSU fans, I have failed you. Have only watched a bit of Awuze, every time I try I'm just not getting the hype and tap out, I shouldn't but that's just where I'm at at this point.

If we're talking talking pure defensive ability I don't have Adoree Jackson on the list, to be a contributor I think he needs lots of work. Is probably the best return man in the class but that doesn't factor into this.

Edited January 11 by hn68wb4

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, Rebel Raven said:

Call me crazy but i really hope we take a corner in the first. Sidney Jones is my favorite prospect in this class. With Jimmy, Jones and Tavon i feel like even if the 4 man pass rush is still only mediocre we'd have more coverage sacks and be more confident in sending some more blitzes. I'd feel confident that Suggs, Doom (if not cut), Judon, Jernigan, ZDS, Kaufusi (sp), or likely a rookie would be able to get there with another second or two from the coverage. All depends on how the board falls however.

Sidney jones will be a legit corner. He is technically sound, plays the run, has nasty ball skills and seems to have great awareness while the ball is in the air. 

Jones, Smith, Young and Powers would be a solid group with hopefully one more addition ok this draft. 

[Drew P]

A warm body over 5'6", thanks Oz.

[JoeyFlex5]

I've seen a lot of people here with Wilson over Jones, does anyone here have reasoning behind that? Something that could tip me off to look for next time I study him? 

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

1. Sidney Jones 

2. Quincy Wilson 

3. Tredavious white 

4. Desmond king

5. Jourdan lewis

6. Cordrea tankersley 

I still need to watch marshon lattimore, rasul douglas, and a few others.

First impressions of Lattimore are that he is definitely a good to great FOOTBALL player.  He seems to be a very smart defensive player, he seems to always be in the right spot and position to make a play and he finishes plays off and makes the plays.  But I am just not in love with his overall physical and athletic traits. His size seems to be good...he seems a bit thicker than some other corners and its almost like it weighs him down a bit...you see him getting out jumped for balls alot and he doesn't really go straight up and high point when he plays the ball instead its almost like he is jumping into the receiver or falling into them. He swats the ball away more times that he goes up to high point and intercept the ball, unless it is thrown right to him.  He did have some pix 6s and he does look good with the ball in his hands so im not saying he is not athletic but he just seems a bit thick and stiff to me at first glance. Solid, smart football player but im not sure thats what i want at 16.

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

1) Quincy Wilson

2) Marshon Lattimore

3) Sidney Jones

4) Teez Tabor (I admit I haven't watched tape of him but from what I read he should be around here)

5) Gareon Conley

6) Cordrea Tankersley

7) Jourdan Lewis

9) Desmond King

10) Chidobe Awuzie

I would second this list. 

And if we were talking DB's, I'd put Adams first, slot in Hooker after Wilson, Peppers after Jones, and have Evans after Conley.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen a lot of people here with Wilson over Jones, does anyone here have reasoning behind that? Something that could tip me off to look for next time I study him? 

I think he just has the most fluid man coverage skills and the fact that all quarterbacks just seem to totally ignore him is extremely impressive.

I also think a lot of people want to wait and see how Jones' long speed tests.

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen a lot of people here with Wilson over Jones, does anyone here have reasoning behind that? Something that could tip me off to look for next time I study him? 

I just think he (Wilson) strikes me as the more complete corner.  If it makes sense to put it this way...when I watch Jones the biggest thing that stands out to me is his ability to play the ball really go up high point the ball and take it away from the WR and thats great he puts himself in position to do that on deep balls...now when I watch Wilson..the biggest thing that stands out to me are his man coverage skills, how he stays with quick receivers where ever they go he is pretty much right in their pocket, and then also his ability to get out of his breaks and make plays on the ball that way...they both do things that are very valuable the question is what do you really prefer...when i watched film initially I thought by first glance that Jones might be alittle long but Wilson is a bit bigger...they both will come up and pop ball carriers but Wilson may be a bit tougher/meaner as well

[ravensnation5220]

Marshon lattimore declared for the draft. He's the top CB prospect in the draft according to Mel kiper

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Marshon lattimore declared for the draft. He's the top CB prospect in the draft according to Mel kiper

Daniel Jeremiah also tweeted that Lattimore is the best CB he has studied this year...I very much value his insight, very interesting they seem to love him..initially I do not LOVE him, but there is alot of time from now till the draft to try to see what they see lol

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, Club Sec. 217 Seat 2 said:

Daniel Jeremiah also tweeted that Lattimore is the best CB he has studied this year...I very much value his insight, very interesting they seem to love him..initially I do not LOVE him, but there is alot of time from now till the draft to try to see what they see lol

When I watch him he always seems to be in the right position. There are several plays where it looked like he ran the route for the receiver. 

[cfly]

The one thing that makes Lattimore jump off the tape for me is his recovery speed. Very evident in the Oklahoma game which is on draft breakdown 

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen a lot of people here with Wilson over Jones, does anyone here have reasoning behind that? Something that could tip me off to look for next time I study him? 

Best press corner in the last 3 years probably, fluid and fast, scheme diverse, good enough ball skills and great read and react. He also has something that I love to see in a CB: he's patient, doesn't panic, just lets the Wr do his thing and only commits once the Wr is done faking.

Jones has fluid hips but I watched him this afternoon and he looks slow, and Juju completely exposed his lack of strength.

[rmw10]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen a lot of people here with Wilson over Jones, does anyone here have reasoning behind that? Something that could tip me off to look for next time I study him? 

I like Jones a lot, but Wilson is the clear #1 to me at this time.  There just aren't many question marks with Wilson when you watch him on tape.  He does everything well.  My only question would be his long speed but that's a minor concern when he can cover and change direction as well as he can.

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen a lot of people here with Wilson over Jones, does anyone here have reasoning behind that? Something that could tip me off to look for next time I study him? 

I think it is just his size. He is built like a tank. Many assume he will be better in run support I suppose. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Club Sec. 217 Seat 2 said:

First impressions of Lattimore are that he is definitely a good to great FOOTBALL player.  He seems to be a very smart defensive player, he seems to always be in the right spot and position to make a play and he finishes plays off and makes the plays.  But I am just not in love with his overall physical and athletic traits. His size seems to be good...he seems a bit thicker than some other corners and its almost like it weighs him down a bit...you see him getting out jumped for balls alot and he doesn't really go straight up and high point when he plays the ball instead its almost like he is jumping into the receiver or falling into them. He swats the ball away more times that he goes up to high point and intercept the ball, unless it is thrown right to him.  He did have some pix 6s and he does look good with the ball in his hands so im not saying he is not athletic but he just seems a bit thick and stiff to me at first glance. Solid, smart football player but im not sure thats what i want at 16.

That sounds like a bad skill set for the NFL honestly. Lacking the ability to get to the ball even when he has his man covered is bad. 

Although I prefer a cb who safely prevents the pass. If they can shut it down then I'm happy, being able to consistently go for the pick without risking a PI or a missed PD is a bonus imo, a big bonus, but not a necessity. 

[Drew P]

40 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Marshon lattimore declared for the draft. He's the top CB prospect in the draft according to Mel kiper

I don't care what CB they get as long as they put some effort to get NFL caliber talent back there.

Please, no more scouring the waiver wire and the practice squad rejects 2 weeks into the start of the regular season.

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think he just has the most fluid man coverage skills and the fact that all quarterbacks just seem to totally ignore him is extremely impressive.

I also think a lot of people want to wait and see how Jones' long speed tests.

Yeah I would love to have WIlson there at 16, as you said he's fluid and natural there. I think he can serve as a really good #2 for us. 

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think it is just his size. He is built like a tank. Many assume he will be better in run support I suppose. 

I think the size has more to do with manning up big receivers and even tight ends that are flexed out wide rather than run support.

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I like Jones a lot, but Wilson is the clear #1 to me at this time.  There just aren't many question marks with Wilson when you watch him on tape.  He does everything well.  My only question would be his long speed but that's a minor concern when he can cover and change direction as well as he can.

I've had Wilson and Jones closely ranked but I just watched Wilson closely against LSU and I liked how he covered in that game against some relatively talented WR who project to the NFL. I may have to give Wilson the decisive edge because he plays real physical and nasty. I like his swagger

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Best press corner in the last 3 years probably, fluid and fast, scheme diverse, good enough ball skills and great read and react. He also has something that I love to see in a CB: he's patient, doesn't panic, just lets the Wr do his thing and only commits once the Wr is done faking.

Jones has fluid hips but I watched him this afternoon and he looks slow, and Juju completely exposed his lack of strength.

We saw the same thing. His patience really jumps out because he just does not commit until he knows what his man wants to do and it's a rarity for a college corner. He lets them play their hand and works off of it instead of being too eager and trying to force it.

[nishadrahman13]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I've had Wilson and Jones closely ranked but I just watched Wilson closely against LSU and I liked how he covered in that game against some relatively talented WR who project to the NFL. I may have to give Wilson the decisive edge because he plays real physical and nasty. I like his swagger

I think Quincy Wilson has a very legitimate shot to go top 10; he will test well in addition to having great tape.

[hn68wb4]

On 1/11/2017 at 0:48 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen a lot of people here with Wilson over Jones, does anyone here have reasoning behind that? Something that could tip me off to look for next time I study him? 

I considering moving him up to #1, I feel like he's a safer all around coverage guy whereas I feel like Wilson may get burned alot, just watched one of his videos and I remember when the WR went deep he was pretty much open every time, if the QB had a bigger arm then he would have hit him for a big gain. I still like Wilson under 20 yards, probaby moreso than Jones at this point, but Jones pretty much stays on his man no matter what. I'm still not 100% on the Wilson bandwagon, but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt based on what others are saying.

[YorkCountyRaven]

4 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I considering moving him up to #1, I feel like he's a safer all around coverage guy whereas I feel like Wilson may get burned alot, just watched one of his videos and I remember when the WR went deep he was pretty much open every time, if the QB had a bigger arm then he would have hit him for a big gain. I still like Wilson under 20 yards, probaby moreso than Jones at this point, but Jones pretty much stays on his man no matter what. I'm still not 100% on the Wilson bandwagon, but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt based on what others are saying.

This is the best statement on this thread. Wilson has good ball skills and is an aggressive corner. But, the problem is lining him up 1 on 1 and him getting beat which as a ravens fan I don't like. Especially with talents like AJ Green, Antonio Brown, Sammie Coates...

[ravensnation5220]

Just did a bit more studying on Sydney Jones and I'm starting to see why he isn't regarded as the top corner. Although he has excellent footwork and technique he does lack in some areas. 

1. Functional strength is an issue at 181lbs. He may be getting away with it now but if he wants to play pees at the pro level he needs to add more muscle. 

2. Long speed. He is quick I'll give him that, and has good recovery speed but I'm not sure just how fast he really is. 

3. This is something that kinda surprised me. He's stiffer than I first expected in his hips. Which would explain why he's so often used in off coverage

Other than that I still consider him a first round pick but he does have class that go overlooked. 

[jboy19]

Marlon Humphrey probably should have stayed another year, but a lenghty Alabama corner is Ozzie-bait for better or worse. 

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Marlon Humphrey probably should have stayed another year, but a lenghty Alabama corner is Ozzie-bait for better or worse. 

I agree. He really should stay another year. Then he would be a lock for the top 15

[GrimCoconut]

50 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Marlon Humphrey probably should have stayed another year, but a lenghty Alabama corner is Ozzie-bait for better or worse. 

People said the same thing about Cyrus Jones but Ozzie didn't take him. In fact if you want I think Bill has taken more or equally as many Alabama players lately. I don't particularly care for Humphrey but yeah. I think we'll address CB before he goes and I think we'll double dip with a mid round pick. I think a safety is also likely and while I hear Canady mentioned as a CB I think I recall seeing him play more safety before his injury so we may see his future there. 

[JonnyBaltimore]

On 1/11/2017 at 11:41 AM, Club Sec. 217 Seat 2 said:

I just think he (Wilson) strikes me as the more complete corner.  If it makes sense to put it this way...when I watch Jones the biggest thing that stands out to me is his ability to play the ball really go up high point the ball and take it away from the WR and thats great he puts himself in position to do that on deep balls...now when I watch Wilson..the biggest thing that stands out to me are his man coverage skills, how he stays with quick receivers where ever they go he is pretty much right in their pocket, and then also his ability to get out of his breaks and make plays on the ball that way...they both do things that are very valuable the question is what do you really prefer...when i watched film initially I thought by first glance that Jones might be alittle long but Wilson is a bit bigger...they both will come up and pop ball carriers but Wilson may be a bit tougher/meaner as well

I agree with this. What I like about Jones is if you throw the deep ball on him, there is a good chance he will pick it off because he plays the ball so well. This is something we have been missing in our secondary and puts fear into QBs. We already have Jimmy who is similar to Q. Wilson. My issue with Jimmy is he is not the type of corner who will intercept that deep ball, as he's more likely to bat it down.

I think Jones is the better tackler. Speed wise, I think they are both similar as I googled it earlier and they run like 4.45-4.50ish. Jones is that lanky, cover corner with good technique and plays the ball well in the air.

I think Wilson has more upside but I think Jones is a more solid, sure pick.