2017 DB Thread

[JonnyBaltimore]

On 1/3/2017 at 0:14 PM, GrimCoconut said:

I just read Jones officially declared for the draft. Not that it wasn't a forgone conclusion but still. I do wonder if Jones will go lower than people here expect since he's pretty light at 180 but he's 6-0 so unless he gains weight that's pretty light and it may drop him as a result. 

I like Jones; I think he will be a stud. He is a plug and play corner with no visible weaknesses. He's light but he can tackle. The only X factor is his speed, but judging from the tape he is probably 4.45'ish. Long, patient and is a student of the game. All great attributes. I believe he might not be there at 16.

[RaineV1]

If the Ravens go DB in the first, I want it to be Hooker. A top tier center-fielder is just very rare. He's the guy that would stop the big plays that killed the Ravens during the last quarter of the season.

[cfly]

I'm new here but was wondering why nobody was talking about my favorite corner Marshon Lattimore?

[Ravenskid52752]

10 minutes ago, cfly said:

I'm new here but was wondering why nobody was talking about my favorite corner Marshon Lattimore?

Because he hasn't declared yet 

[raven94]

Hey everyone, new here but make no mistake I love the Ravens and the draft. I do scout players in my spare time (don't ask why, I'm not a pro scout or anything) a couple of DB's to keep an eye on are Rasul Douglas from WVU who played great this year and Kevin King from UW (Sidney Jones' counterpart) both are long at 6'3 and both move well. Great outside CB'S that can probably be found in the 3rd

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[GrimCoconut]

17 hours ago, January J said:

I think Sidney Jones IV is currently my favorite corner and seems to be a good fit to start opposite Jimmy with Tavon back in the slot. He's very disciplined and has good tackling ability wrapping guys up...plays well in man and has shown off good ballhawking ability.  Plus I think we miiiiight be able to get him in the 2nd. ( may have to trade up though)

So right now ny dream first 3 picks would be 1) Tim Williams 2)Sidney Jones IV 3 ) Ethan Pocic

Unless we get a veteran center via FA or plan to make a permanent move to Urschel - then I'd go with the best wide receiver available in the 3rd or trade up to get 1 if we don't have to trade up for our 2nd pick. If only we were drafting a couple picks higher : /

Got a lot more homework to do though.

Yep. Jones is probably the best CB I can see but he has Wilson right on him and I don't think he's as widely regarded in the scouting community yet and that may not change due to his weight being under what most teams like. It's easy to say he can add weight but I've seen numerous talented guys fall to that at CB before. I think he'll end up low first round when it's all said and done and I hope we are aggressive and trade up to get him. 

[ravefan52]

I like Jones more for our defense. Wilson should excel in a press scheme

[Willbacker]

Can somebody give me an opinion of Tredavious White (LSU CB). Is he 1st rd talent? I see no mention of him at all.

[Jacquouille]

22 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Can somebody give me an opinion of Tredavious White (LSU CB). Is he 1st rd talent? I see no mention of him at all.

Probably the best feet of the class, can mirror anybody and his backpedal is second to none. His cover skills are through the roof, but he's shaky when the ball is in the air, not always playing the ball, and can get to scrappy at times. He could have been 1st round in another class, not this one. But he would be a great addition in round 2 as I believe Frazier can fix his problems.

[Willbacker]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

Probably the best feet of the class, can mirror anybody and his backpedal is second to none. His cover skills are through the roof, but he's shaky when the ball is in the air, not always playing the ball, and can get to scrappy at times. He could have been 1st round in another class, not this one. But he would be a great addition in round 2 as I believe Frazier can fix his problems.

Ive seen some LSU games and I really like him. Maybe a trade back. Does him in the 1st and Taco Charlton in the 2nd sound reasonable

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, Willbacker said:

Ive seen some LSU games and I really like him. Maybe a trade back. Does him in the 1st and Taco Charlton in the 2nd sound reasonable

I'd say the opposite is possible. Taco could be a good trade back option and there's a very reasonnable chance that White is there for our 2nd pick.

[Wildabeast88]

6 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Probably the best feet of the class, can mirror anybody and his backpedal is second to none. His cover skills are through the roof, but he's shaky when the ball is in the air, not always playing the ball, and can get to scrappy at times. He could have been 1st round in another class, not this one. But he would be a great addition in round 2 as I believe Frazier can fix his problems.

Here is another name reading up on him Demontae Kazee CB San Diego St. 5-10 190 proj 4-5th rd.

STRENGTHS WEAKNESSES

STRENGTHS: Sports a compact, athletic build showing the light feet, balance and loose hips to easily change direction. Confident in press man coverage, showing a low, tight backpedal and smooth turning motion. Good route anticipation and understands angles, keep his frame between the receiver and the quarterback. 

Peeks back toward the quarterback and isn't afraid to drop his primary coverage duties to break quickly back to the ball, showing impressive field vision. 

Tracks the ball well, exhibiting the body control and concentration to make difficult over-the-shoulder grabs. Excellent hand-eye coordination to punch at the ball (six forced fumbles over his career) and showed exciting development as an interceptor in 2015, turning eight of his career-high 15 passes breakups into interceptions after recording just one in 13 opportunities in 2014. 

Competitive open-field tackler, who aggressively slithers his way past would-be blockers to get into the action. Not an imposing hitter but is a sure tackler who wraps his arms for the secure stop. 

WEAKNESSES: A classic gambler who can be fooled with double-moves and savvy quarterbacks looking the other way. Lacks the swift acceleration to recover if caught flat-footed and may struggle to keep up with NFL receivers on longer routes. More pesky than powerful as a tackler.

IN OUR VIEW: Kazee lacks ideal size and speed for the outside, but he's athletic enough to play man coverage and possesses the awareness, downhill closing speed and competitiveness as an open-field tackling ability to project well inside as a nickel corner. His knack for making his own big plays (15 turnovers caused over his career) is certainly intriguing as well. 

Edited January 7 by Wildabeast88

[Wildabeast88]

7 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Can somebody give me an opinion of Tredavious White (LSU CB). Is he 1st rd talent? I see no mention of him at all.

Mostly see 2nd round grades on him.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Can somebody give me an opinion of Tredavious White (LSU CB). Is he 1st rd talent? I see no mention of him at all.

one of the better mirror corners in the draft, great recovery speed, subtle and savvy with his "illegal" play (tiny holds and PIs that refs cant see in real speed), good hips and ankles, can play man or zone.

downsides: very light, not physical up front, only 5'10"(which i dont even consider a problem). 

reminds me a good bit of vernon hargreaves coming out, with the difference between them being vh3 having far superior ball skills and slightly better lateral/backspedal speed

Edited January 8 by JoeyFlex5

[hn68wb4]

I just watched Budda Baker for the first time and I have to say, he sort of reminds me of Weddle out there. Not the biggest guy but is able to play up near the line of scrimmage and you won't regret it because he tackles well. But he's pretty damn good in coverage as well, certainly no slouch.

He's going to go higher than I'd be willing to take him but I just thought I'd say something about him.

Edited January 8 by hn68wb4

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

One safety that keeps catching my eye is Josh Harvey-Clemons out of Louisville. He's 6'4 228 and has skills to help in the run game and decent cover skills. He reminds me of Deone Bucannon.

[January J]

21 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Here is another name reading up on him Demontae Kazee CB San Diego St. 5-10 190 proj 4-5th rd.

STRENGTHS WEAKNESSES

Peeks back toward the quarterback and isn't afraid to drop his primary coverage duties to break quickly back to the ball, showing impressive field vision. 

Tracks the ball well, exhibiting the body control and concentration to make difficult over-the-shoulder grabs. Excellent hand-eye coordination to punch at the ball (six forced fumbles over his career) and showed exciting development as an interceptor in 2015, turning eight of his career-high 15 passes breakups into interceptions after recording just one in 13 opportunities in 2014. 

Competitive open-field tackler, who aggressively slithers his way past would-be blockers to get into the action. Not an imposing hitter but is a sure tackler who wraps his arms for the secure stop

Not saying he's our guy but those traits right there are EXACTLY what we need in a corner. I cannot stand a db who's afraid or unable to look for the ball and go after it. So many interceptions are there for the taking if they would just turn around!

Also the open feild tackling is a must. We don't need a guy to knock the snot out of somebody ( although that's nice to see) we just need a guy who will wrap up and not allow unnecessary YAC - which has KILLED us.  

[Wildabeast88]

50 minutes ago, January J said:

Not saying he's our guy but those traits right there are EXACTLY what we need in a corner. I cannot stand a db who's afraid or unable to look for the ball and go after it. So many interceptions are there for the taking if they would just turn around!

Also the open feild tackling is a must. We don't need a guy to knock the snot out of somebody ( although that's nice to see) we just need a guy who will wrap up and not allow unnecessary YAC - which has KILLED us.  

Yes that's what I was thinking obviously being that he played at SDSU I have not seen him play much caught a little of their bowl game so I need to look at him more. Also the 5'10 part I wish was a bit taller but by the scouting report I think he a Tavon could both play some outside if we missed on Jones or the Buckeye CBs Lattimore or Conley 

[hn68wb4]

We talk alot about CBs, as well we should, but one safety that has really caught my eye and I love what I've seen is Rayshawn Jenkins from Miami. For a safety he looks really smooth in coverage and genuinely looks comfortable playing one on one or single high. His tackling was also much improved this year, which shows he's willing to put in the work and learn. Last year he almost never wrapped up, but this year he pretty much always wraps up and he's got the size and strength to bring the ball carrier down. Occasionally he can hit with a boom, but when he does is when he forgets to wrap up, something that I think 90% of safeties do coming out, but the improved tackling all around is very promising, when he wraps up he's a great tackler.

Great size and speed, backpedal looks smooth to me and does a good job watching the QBs eyes and moving around the field. With that speed he breaks on the ball well and can recover well. Also a great rusher coming up from the back end, and plays smart with it too, when he knows he can't get there he gets his arms up and tries to bat it which is a valuable trait coming out.

I think that if he's around in the mid rounds he would be very solid depth where we sorely need it and with some polishing he can be a starter in this league. He should be at the Senior Bowl so he's a guy to look out for, and we're active at teh Senior Bowl and we're known to take players from it.

Edited January 9 by hn68wb4

[RaineV1]

I think Corn Elder could be an amazing pick up in the mid rounds. He'll be there only because of his size, but he's a great cover guy that's also good at making open field tackles. He is so good at reading a reacting. I think if he was like two inches taller we'd be talking about him as a 2nd round pick.

 

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

On 1/7/2017 at 7:40 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

one of the better mirror corners in the draft, great recovery speed, subtle and savvy with his "illegal" play (tiny holds and PIs that refs cant see in real speed), good hips and ankles, can play man or zone.

downsides: very light, not physical up front, only 5'10"(which i dont even consider a problem). 

reminds me a good bit of vernon hargreaves coming out, with the difference between them being vh3 having far superior ball skills and slightly better lateral/backspedal speed

I waited all year to finally track you down JoeyFlex...before i can take you seriously you need to clarify how WRONG you were about Jalen Ramsey...you basically said he would not translate well to the NFL game....welp looks like that was a big mistake lol

[RavensDieHard21]

7 hours ago, Club Sec. 217 Seat 2 said:

I waited all year to finally track you down JoeyFlex...before i can take you seriously you need to clarify how WRONG you were about Jalen Ramsey...you basically said he would not translate well to the NFL game....welp looks like that was a big mistake lol

I was just thinking that the other day when I watched his rookie highlight tape. His skills have translated very well. He is physical and can shadow receivers very well. He's a little too flamboyant in his trash talk but his play is the real deal. 

[RavensDieHard21]

Top corner list shall we? 

1.) Sidney Jones 

2.) Quincy Wilson 

3.) Desmond King 

4.) Marshon Lattimore 

5.) Cordrea Tankersley 

6,) Marlon Humphey 

7.) Jalen Tabor 

8.) Jourdan Lewis. 

[DomMcRaven]

52 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Top corner list shall we? 

1.) Sidney Jones 

2.) Quincy Wilson 

3.) Desmond King 

4.) Marshon Lattimore 

5.) Cordrea Tankersley 

6,) Marlon Humphey 

7.) Jalen Tabor 

8.) Jourdan Lewis. 

For the Ravens or just in general?

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Top corner list shall we? 

1.) Sidney Jones 

2.) Quincy Wilson 

3.) Desmond King 

4.) Marshon Lattimore 

5.) Cordrea Tankersley 

6,) Marlon Humphey 

7.) Jalen Tabor 

8.) Jourdan Lewis. 

That's a good looking list of players and I can still think of a few more who could arguably be in the mix. Reminds you how deep this class is

[RavensDieHard21]

23 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

For the Ravens or just in general?

Yes lol

[Jacquouille]

6 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Top corner list shall we? 

1.) Sidney Jones 

2.) Quincy Wilson 

3.) Desmond King 

4.) Marshon Lattimore 

5.) Cordrea Tankersley 

6,) Marlon Humphey 

7.) Jalen Tabor 

8.) Jourdan Lewis. 

1) Quincy Wilson

2) Marshon Lattimore

3) Sidney Jones

4) Teez Tabor (I admit I haven't watched tape of him but from what I read he should be around here)

5) Gareon Conley

6) Cordrea Tankersley

7) Jourdan Lewis

9) Desmond King

10) Chidobe Awuzie

[Rebel Raven]

Call me crazy but i really hope we take a corner in the first. Sidney Jones is my favorite prospect in this class. With Jimmy, Jones and Tavon i feel like even if the 4 man pass rush is still only mediocre we'd have more coverage sacks and be more confident in sending some more blitzes. I'd feel confident that Suggs, Doom (if not cut), Judon, Jernigan, ZDS, Kaufusi (sp), or likely a rookie would be able to get there with another second or two from the coverage. All depends on how the board falls however.

[JoeyFlex5]

17 hours ago, Club Sec. 217 Seat 2 said:

I waited all year to finally track you down JoeyFlex...before i can take you seriously you need to clarify how WRONG you were about Jalen Ramsey...you basically said he would not translate well to the NFL game....welp looks like that was a big mistake lol

I'll own up to it. I didn't like that all he ever showed as a corner was press coverage and I hated how slow he was to turn his hips in college, I also Never said definitively that he wouldn't translate, I said that he was a risk to take so high because he hadn't shown enough real coverage skills which was totally true at the time since his college career was basically a highlight reel of big hits and very few plays made in coverage. 

Hindsight 20/20 but yeah He had a good rookie year. Glad he taken though because if not we wouldn't have Stanley who is looking like a top 3 LT for the future.

[JoeyFlex5]

1. Sidney Jones 

2. Quincy Wilson 

3. Tredavious white 

4. Desmond king

5. Jourdan lewis

6. Cordrea tankersley 

I still need to watch marshon lattimore, rasul douglas, and a few others.

Edited January 11 by JoeyFlex5