2017 DB Thread

[BmoreBird22]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been known to flip flop a lot but this is one I really don't see me going back in lol. I might change my tune about wilson but I just can't see myself changing my mind on tabor at all.

I think Wilson is the classes top DB, but Tabor I do feel is a lot of hype and name recognition being on Florida.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Pretty sure media outlets see Desmond king as the top corner. 

Most mocks have him going in the 2nd round or late first, which I don't agree with but as far as media goes.. You know. 

[rmw10]

21 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think Wilson is the classes top DB, but Tabor I do feel is a lot of hype and name recognition being on Florida.

Agreed.  Wilson is a special player and I see no problems with him being hyped up, because his play has backed it up.  I like Tabor but he's another guy where you see flashes or brilliance followed by some ugly plays.  I still like him, but I don't know just how much yet.

[rmw10]

28 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Pretty sure media outlets see Desmond king as the top corner. 

I don't think that's the case at all.  As said above, most mocks have him going in round 2 at this point.  I think that's a fair and accurate assessment of him at this point.

[GrimCoconut]

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been known to flip flop a lot but this is one I really don't see me going back in lol. I might change my tune about wilson but I just can't see myself changing my mind on tabor at all.

I personally think Jones is the best CB this class but don't underestimate how a heavy CB class changes the perceptions of how good a prospect is and who is the best top CB in the draft. That happens a lot in these cases. I think Jones could go as high as top 20 or as low as early 2nd round. I recall you saying the same about VH3 and Alexander last year. 

[GrimCoconut]

38 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think Wilson is the classes top DB, but Tabor I do feel is a lot of hype and name recognition being on Florida.

I like Jones the best but Wilson is phenomenal and is definitely easily in that conversation so I get anyone having Wilson above Jones. 

15 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Agreed.  Wilson is a special player and I see no problems with him being hyped up, because his play has backed it up.  I like Tabor but he's another guy where you see flashes or brilliance followed by some ugly plays.  I still like him, but I don't know just how much yet.

Yeah I think it's amazing but there are so many options at CB that we could easily come away with our top CB in the second in a trade up.  When you have a class with this much talent there tends to be varying opinions on who is top dog

[outkast1]

51 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

The Orange bowl is between Florida st and Michigan. Not Florida 

Sorry !

[JoeyFlex5]

56 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I personally think Jones is the best CB this class but don't underestimate how a heavy CB class changes the perceptions of how good a prospect is and who is the best top CB in the draft. That happens a lot in these cases. I think Jones could go as high as top 20 or as low as early 2nd round. I recall you saying the same about VH3 and Alexander last year. 

i did say early on that alexander was the best cb in the class but i think that was just me going against the grain rooting for the underdog. and in all fairness i liked both, i always said vh3 was a good corner but had other reasons for preferring other guys, like mack appeared to be more physical and ramsey was a safety in my eyes which i preferred to a cb at the time. i changed my mind when i stopped nitpicking and decided that vh3 really was just the most talented of the 3 regarding coverage skill.

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Most mocks have him going in the 2nd round or late first, which I don't agree with but as far as media goes.. You know. 

Wouldn't mind getting a corner in the 2nd like lattimore although that would likely mean we'd pass on interior lineman in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Still believe we're going pass rusher in the first. Especially with how biscotti is going to push for one

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Wouldn't mind getting a corner in the 2nd like lattimore although that would likely mean we'd pass on interior lineman in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Still believe we're going pass rusher in the first. Especially with how biscotti is going to push for one

i would just hate to see us reach for one when were in prime position to get a really good player. say tim williams and derek barnett are both taken, that leaves charles harris, who in his own right is a decent prospect, but he has no bend, hes strictly an inside move edge rusher, which is fine, but we already have some of those and what we desperately need is someone who bends the edge with speed, plus charles harris is a mid 20s type of guy. in our range we actually have  a legit shot to land one of the top 2 receivers, we could likely have one of sidney jones, marlon humphrey, or quincy wilson, depending on how their stocks rise/fall, we could nab the top playmaker available like jabril peppers or christian mcaffrey(i wouldnt exactly want mcaffrey but wouldnt be opposed either, hes a legit home run hitter), we could get dalvin cook, hell even taking quenton nelson or dan feeney would be a better value imo. 

we likely wont find much value at pass rusher where we sit, i just dont see any value there. takk mckinley is a good upside guy but ive seen him struggle when engaged. especially against stanfords LT where he was absolutely stonewalled, im not ready to give him a first round grade yet.

[ravensnation5220]

26 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i would just hate to see us reach for one when were in prime position to get a really good player. say tim williams and derek barnett are both taken, that leaves charles harris, who in his own right is a decent prospect, but he has no bend, hes strictly an inside move edge rusher, which is fine, but we already have some of those and what we desperately need is someone who bends the edge with speed, plus charles harris is a mid 20s type of guy. in our range we actually have  a legit shot to land one of the top 2 receivers, we could likely have one of sidney jones, marlon humphrey, or quincy wilson, depending on how their stocks rise/fall, we could nab the top playmaker available like jabril peppers or christian mcaffrey(i wouldnt exactly want mcaffrey but wouldnt be opposed either, hes a legit home run hitter), we could get dalvin cook, hell even taking quenton nelson or dan feeney would be a better value imo. 

we likely wont find much value at pass rusher where we sit, i just dont see any value there. takk mckinley is a good upside guy but ive seen him struggle when engaged. especially against stanfords LT where he was absolutely stonewalled, im not ready to give him a first round grade yet.

True. I agree on your assessment. Barnett and Williams are probably the best ones out there and I'm just hoping one will fall to us. If not then Sydney Jones would be the next best thing. I don't see peppers falling outside the top 10. Idk I just wouldn't believe it if it happened. Cook>mccafrey in that argument. Talk is too inconsistent agreed and I don't trust Lawson. I wouldn't mind trading back for Harris but I'd much rather trade up for Barnett lol. 

I'd like to say we're pretty much on the same page with value in this year's draft. Having said that. How would you feel taking adored Jackson? I know a lot of people here aren't big on him but I like what he brings to the table and I feel like he's come a long way in his technique from last year. Also a good character kind of kid. What about demarcus walker? I like him better than solomon thomas

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

True. I agree on your assessment. Barnett and Williams are probably the best ones out there and I'm just hoping one will fall to us. If not then Sydney Jones would be the next best thing. I don't see peppers falling outside the top 10. Idk I just wouldn't believe it if it happened. Cook>mccafrey in that argument. Talk is too inconsistent agreed and I don't trust Lawson. I wouldn't mind trading back for Harris but I'd much rather trade up for Barnett lol. 

I'd like to say we're pretty much on the same page with value in this year's draft. Having said that. How would you feel taking adored Jackson? I know a lot of people here aren't big on him but I like what he brings to the table and I feel like he's come a long way in his technique from last year. Also a good character kind of kid. What about demarcus walker? I like him better than solomon thomas

im one of the few that like adoree jackson quite a bit. i think hes better than given credit for and isnt as sloppy or technically poor as many think, and i think hes one of the bigger upside dbs in this class, incredible athlete for sure, if any cb in this class is gonna become a true ballhawk it would be him. also an elite return man. shutting down calvin ridley did a lot for him in my book. 

and i wont say walker is better than thomas, thomas has all the attributes that make walker a good player but thomas is far more explosive and covers a lot more ground much quicker than walker can. walker got a fair shot to play the role he will be drafted for, thomas didnt, so i cant really evaluate them as 2 edge players, but more on walkers ability to slide inside compared to thomas' ability to slide outside. i think thomas does both better with much more upside

[ravensnation5220]

30 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

im one of the few that like adoree jackson quite a bit. i think hes better than given credit for and isnt as sloppy or technically poor as many think, and i think hes one of the bigger upside dbs in this class, incredible athlete for sure, if any cb in this class is gonna become a true ballhawk it would be him. also an elite return man. shutting down calvin ridley did a lot for him in my book. 

and i wont say walker is better than thomas, thomas has all the attributes that make walker a good player but thomas is far more explosive and covers a lot more ground much quicker than walker can. walker got a fair shot to play the role he will be drafted for, thomas didnt, so i cant really evaluate them as 2 edge players, but more on walkers ability to slide inside compared to thomas' ability to slide outside. i think thomas does both better with much more upside

Ya I'm big on adoree too. Not sure why many aren't. On the walker vs thomas situation i think walker is more of an imediate help. He just seems more pro ready than thomas and that makes me think thomas is a bit of a project. Plus walker has that devastating swim move that seems to be lost in today's nfl

Drafttek had us taking adoree jackson in their latest mock btw

Edited December 31, 2016 by ravensnation5220

[GrimCoconut]

On 12/30/2016 at 5:52 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

i would just hate to see us reach for one when were in prime position to get a really good player. say tim williams and derek barnett are both taken, that leaves charles harris, who in his own right is a decent prospect, but he has no bend, hes strictly an inside move edge rusher, which is fine, but we already have some of those and what we desperately need is someone who bends the edge with speed, plus charles harris is a mid 20s type of guy. in our range we actually have  a legit shot to land one of the top 2 receivers, we could likely have one of sidney jones, marlon humphrey, or quincy wilson, depending on how their stocks rise/fall, we could nab the top playmaker available like jabril peppers or christian mcaffrey(i wouldnt exactly want mcaffrey but wouldnt be opposed either, hes a legit home run hitter), we could get dalvin cook, hell even taking quenton nelson or dan feeney would be a better value imo. 

we likely wont find much value at pass rusher where we sit, i just dont see any value there. takk mckinley is a good upside guy but ive seen him struggle when engaged. especially against stanfords LT where he was absolutely stonewalled, im not ready to give him a first round grade yet.

Why reach at all? Let's trade up and get THE guy instead of getting guys! We need to stop playing with fire and start being aggressive with getting our top guys 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Why reach at all? Let's trade up and get THE guy instead of getting guys! We need to stop playing with fire and start being aggressive with getting our top guys 

i 100% agree with you, i just dont know if that fire has been lit under ozzies rear yet to push him to do it. hell id love to see us jump from the late teens to 8 or 9 or 10 and take derek barnett or mike williams, id be ecstatic... but we would have to actually make the move first lol

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i 100% agree with you, i just dont know if that fire has been lit under ozzies rear yet to push him to do it. hell id love to see us jump from the late teens to 8 or 9 or 10 and take derek barnett or mike williams, id be ecstatic... but we would have to actually make the move first lol

I think Ozzie knows about that fire because the owner's been publicly talking about getting a pass rusher for years now and what's Ozzie do? Gets Correa, Judon, and Smith but those guys are all mid round picks except Correa and who is confident in him taking a step forward? Maybe he develops but I doubt Steve is comfortable with hitching our season to Correa being the guy and it's debatable that we missed the playoffs due to our ineffective pass rush but this could cause Steve to really question Ozzie for once if he hasn't already. 

Edited January 1 by GrimCoconut

[RaineV1]

8 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Why reach at all? Let's trade up and get THE guy instead of getting guys! We need to stop playing with fire and start being aggressive with getting our top guys 

That also backfires at times. You move up for a guy and he doesn't work out, suddenly you're out of a few picks for a bust. There's been quite a few teams burned by going up to get their guy. In the latest draft I would have been all for moving up for Kevin Dodd in the second round, but he did not look good in his rookie season, and that would have probably cost us Tavon Young.

Edited January 1 by RaineV1

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

That also backfires at times. You move up for a guy and he doesn't work out, suddenly you're out of a few picks for a bust. There's been quite a few teams burned by going up to get their guy. In the latest draft I would have been all for moving up for Kevin Dodd in the second round, but he did not look good in his rookie season, and that would have probably cost us Tavon Young.

i wasnt about trading up for kevin dodd for those exact reasons, he was a project and not worth a trade up, but he was my guy for sure.

[GrimCoconut]

8 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

That also backfires at times. You move up for a guy and he doesn't work out, suddenly you're out of a few picks for a bust. There's been quite a few teams burned by going up to get their guy. In the latest draft I would have been all for moving up for Kevin Dodd in the second round, but he did not look good in his rookie season, and that would have probably cost us Tavon Young.

 

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i wasnt about trading up for kevin dodd for those exact reasons, he was a project and not worth a trade up, but he was my guy for sure.

It depends for whom you're trading up to get and who knows if that's the case? It's hard to say because perhaps we don't take Kaufusi? It's hard to say how our draft changes using these examples. 

[Ravenskid52752]

ESPN CollegeFootballVerified account ‏@ESPNCFB 23m23 minutes ago

Ohio State safety Malik Hooker announces via Twitter that he is entering the 2017 NFL Draft

[Jacquouille]

8 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

ESPN CollegeFootballVerified account ‏@ESPNCFB 23m23 minutes ago

Ohio State safety Malik Hooker announces via Twitter that he is entering the 2017 NFL Draft

Oh wow, that's big. He definitely could be a guy we'd target.

[hn68wb4]

Knew he'd change his mind. He's just too highly rated, he'd be giving up a ton to go back to school. He is a guy that would probably benefit from another year, but when you're likely a top 20 pick it's hard to turn down the money.

[TurkishRaven]

The more I read about this draft the more I feel like we are going to trade down.

[Jacquouille]

44 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

The more I read about this draft the more I feel like we are going to trade down.

I think it would be a dream scenario if Barnett or Williams isn't here.

[RaineV1]

If Williams, Barnett, and Sidney Jones are gone, then trading down to like 20 or 21 would be good. There'll still be a few good edge rushers there, and extra picks in this loaded draft class would be really useful.

[hn68wb4]

3 hours ago, TurkishRaven said:

The more I read about this draft the more I feel like we are going to trade down.

I'm on the opposite end of things, the more and more I look at this draft class the more I feel like we're going to be moving back to the 20-24 range and maybe moving up in the second. It's a deep class in the exact positions that we need and if Barnett and Williams are gone I can't argue with moving back, from the early 20s we'd still have our pick of some of the best CBs, probably every tier 2 pass rusher, by then some of the interior linemen wouldn't be considered reaches, and so on. It feels like the sort of draft to me where we'll move back and take whatever prospect falls into our lap.

[Sizzlebshu]

On 12/31/2016 at 7:07 PM, GrimCoconut said:

Why reach at all? Let's trade up and get THE guy instead of getting guys! We need to stop playing with fire and start being aggressive with getting our top guys 

 

bad post statistically speaking

[Sizzlebshu]

On 1/1/2017 at 11:37 AM, GrimCoconut said:

 

It depends for whom you're trading up to get and who knows if that's the case? It's hard to say because perhaps we don't take Kaufusi? It's hard to say how our draft changes using these examples. 

 

No it doesnt. Again numbers in the aggregate tend to show this. Trading up only amplifies risk. Let's take last year's draft as an example. 

The titans traded down to 15 with the Rams. They then wasted picks and traded up to take Jack Conklin. At 15, they could have taken Taylor Decker who has been a similar caliber of player, but costs roughly half the draft value. 

[VermontRaven]

Legit question for everyone that follows and tracks this stuff.  Where do you wee Iowa's Desmond King going in the draft?  Do you think this is someone the Ravens might target. 

I have not followed college football much this year.  I am a huge Iowa Hawkeyes fan, so obviously my opinion of King is probably inflated.  Curious as to what others out there think of him.  On the Outback Bowl broadcast, they said someone (not sure who) had him rated as the 7th ranked CB in the draft.  Any chance he could be around for Round 2 for us?

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Legit question for everyone that follows and tracks this stuff.  Where do you wee Iowa's Desmond King going in the draft?  Do you think this is someone the Ravens might target. 

I have not followed college football much this year.  I am a huge Iowa Hawkeyes fan, so obviously my opinion of King is probably inflated.  Curious as to what others out there think of him.  On the Outback Bowl broadcast, they said someone (not sure who) had him rated as the 7th ranked CB in the draft.  Any chance he could be around for Round 2 for us?

I think he'll go somewhere in the 2nd round and wouldn't be surprised if we take him there and an OLB in the first